Around the NBA part 2

[ibraheim718]

And seriously screw Dolan's money... seriously. The furthest thing from anyone's mind should be Dolan's handed down money. For all the hell he's put Knicks fans through while still raking the cash in.. him and his money can go F himself.

[mpharris36]

Free as in the dude didn't have a job and we signed him... Do you know how rare his situation is? Find me a guy that got the kind of pay raise he's gotten and that all things considered is giving a nice return on that pay raise? All those guys you're mentioning have had draft picks wasted on them. The mere fact that the guy is a starting PG on a team in playoff position in an extremely tough conference is enough to admit... yeah.. the guy's pretty good.

fair enough, and i never mentioned he was a "bad" player

but for you to use the term "wasted" for the players i mentioned is quit ridiculous. Whether u want to believe the rockets are in playoff contention because of Lin you can do that and I want debate u.

But Harden, Parsons, and Asik are much more of the reasons...especially harden, he has turned a team that would have been a 50-60 loss team to a possible 6-8 seed.

[ibraheim718]

Clippers are up by 38, but it literally feels like 100.

Seriously... Paul is giving Steph's ankles a work out.

[mpharris36]

And seriously screw Dolan's money... seriously. The furthest thing from anyone's mind should be Dolan's handed down money. For all the hell he's put Knicks fans through while still raking the cash in.. him and his money can go F himself.

he also supposedly caboshed the whole Melo for Deron Williams trade...and instead sent Dan Dummy packing...that seemed like a pretty good move huh?

he gets a little bit to much hate around here...

[ibraheim718]

Free as in the dude didn't have a job and we signed him... Do you know how rare his situation is? Find me a guy that got the kind of pay raise he's gotten and that all things considered is giving a nice return on that pay raise? All those guys you're mentioning have had draft picks wasted on them. The mere fact that the guy is a starting PG on a team in playoff position in an extremely tough conference is enough to admit... yeah.. the guy's pretty good.

fair enough, and i never mentioned he was a "bad" player

but for you to use the term "wasted" for the players i mentioned is quit ridiculous. Whether u want to believe the rockets are in playoff contention because of Lin you can do that and I want debate u.

But Harden, Parsons, and Asik are much more of the reasons...especially harden, he has turned a team that would have been a 50-60 loss team to a possible 6-8 seed.

Wasted... used.. what's the difference.

Harden is the only guy who you can tangibly say has affected the W-L total more than any other player... the rest have had their ups and downs.

But how about Kyrie going 6-18 with 8 turnovers when Lin was guarding him.. that and Harden getting hot late were responsible for tonights W.

[Thugger HBC]

Clippers are up by 38, but it literally feels like 100.

Seriously... Paul is giving Steph's ankles a work out.

For real, at least it only counts as one game, and it's revenge for the Clips losing to these guys earlier.

[mpharris36]

Clippers are up by 38, but it literally feels like 100.

that team is dangerous...they have a great mix of of offense and defense...shooting and in the paint.

the only thing that might concern me is down the stretch is CP3 going to be the go to scorer?

will they let Crawford ISO?

blake can't shoot well enough to get buckets by himself.

[ibraheim718]

And seriously screw Dolan's money... seriously. The furthest thing from anyone's mind should be Dolan's handed down money. For all the hell he's put Knicks fans through while still raking the cash in.. him and his money can go F himself.

he also supposedly caboshed the whole Melo for Deron Williams trade...and instead sent Dan Dummy packing...that seemed like a pretty good move huh?

he gets a little bit to much hate around here...

That trade was never happening... an ape would've turned that trade down. And he was the dumbass that chose D'antoni over Thibs or at least OK'd it.

I would argue that he doesn't get enough hate.

I gotta pick up the lady.. always nice going back and forth with you MP.

[mpharris36]

Free as in the dude didn't have a job and we signed him... Do you know how rare his situation is? Find me a guy that got the kind of pay raise he's gotten and that all things considered is giving a nice return on that pay raise? All those guys you're mentioning have had draft picks wasted on them. The mere fact that the guy is a starting PG on a team in playoff position in an extremely tough conference is enough to admit... yeah.. the guy's pretty good.

fair enough, and i never mentioned he was a "bad" player

but for you to use the term "wasted" for the players i mentioned is quit ridiculous. Whether u want to believe the rockets are in playoff contention because of Lin you can do that and I want debate u.

But Harden, Parsons, and Asik are much more of the reasons...especially harden, he has turned a team that would have been a 50-60 loss team to a possible 6-8 seed.

Wasted... used.. what's the difference.

Harden is the only guy who you can tangibly say has affected the W-L total more than any other player... the rest have had their ups and downs.

But how about Kyrie going 6-18 with 8 turnovers when Lin was guarding him.. that and Harden getting hot late were responsible for tonights W.

was Lin or Harden guarding him...because Harden had 7 steals tonight...didn't see the game but with those stats i think Harden might have been guarding him but who knows.

however yes looks like a good game from LIn tonight but...i can point out more strong games during the entire game from Parsons and Asik then Lin from a overall season standpoint

[Butch718]

Clips also have an insane amount of depth on that team, and they don't even have a healthy Billups or Hill coming off the bench yet.

Yeah, that team is scary.

[omerome]

Free as in the dude didn't have a job and we signed him... Do you know how rare his situation is? Find me a guy that got the kind of pay raise he's gotten and that all things considered is giving a nice return on that pay raise? All those guys you're mentioning have had draft picks wasted on them. The mere fact that the guy is a starting PG on a team in playoff position in an extremely tough conference is enough to admit... yeah.. the guy's pretty good.

He was free, keyword "was" free when we picked him off waivers. What he has done last season is in the past. What he is doing in Houston has no bearing on what the Knicks are doing now. He wouldn't be free because we would of had to pay a hefty price to keep him.

I mean let's just think about this for a second. For the first couple of games when Lin was still recovering from his knee injury. Do you really think the team (Knicks) would be playing at the level they are right now? He was really struggling out there. It took Lin a while to get his legs under him and can you imagine if Lin somehow struggled here how the media would be all over it (us)? Sheesh...I don't want to think about it.

I was happy with Lin was here but like it was mentioned before, the best part about him being gone is all of the attention that he (and it wasn't directly his fault) brought is gone too. All of these unneeded questions about chemistry and fit, no longer being asked. The Knicks' focus this season is all about everyone else and winning. There is hardly talk about, "can X play with Y", and "will A be able to play with B", and "who's team should it be".

The Knicks replaced Lin with Felton and the Knicks have their best start in over ten years. Was it all because of Felton? Of course not. But us not re-signing Lin didn't turn into a catastrophic failure or a major blunder when the dust settled. Lin is doing his thing in Houston with Harden and Felton is doing his thing in New York with Melo and the rest of the team.

The Knicks have a good thing going now and if a reason is because some players felt that a burden has been lifted, I am happy because when all is said and done, the Knicks are winning. And that's all that matters.

[mpharris36]

And seriously screw Dolan's money... seriously. The furthest thing from anyone's mind should be Dolan's handed down money. For all the hell he's put Knicks fans through while still raking the cash in.. him and his money can go F himself.

he also supposedly caboshed the whole Melo for Deron Williams trade...and instead sent Dan Dummy packing...that seemed like a pretty good move huh?

he gets a little bit to much hate around here...

That trade was never happening... an ape would've turned that trade down. And he was the dumbass that chose D'antoni over Thibs or at least OK'd it.

I would argue that he doesn't get enough hate.

I gotta pick up the lady.. always nice going back and forth with you MP.

same man

[mpharris36]

Clips also have an insane amount of depth on that team, and they don't even have a healthy Billups or Hill coming off the bench yet.

Yeah, that team is scary.

only thing i question from them is do they have a go to scorer down the stretch which u need in the playoffs...we got Melo.

I feel like CP3 would be out of his element trying to score...they almost blew a huge lead vs the lakers the other night because CP3 was taking some reckless shots because they couldn't get any other looks late.

[Bill Bradley]

Free as in the dude didn't have a job and we signed him... Do you know how rare his situation is? Find me a guy that got the kind of pay raise he's gotten and that all things considered is giving a nice return on that pay raise? All those guys you're mentioning have had draft picks wasted on them. The mere fact that the guy is a starting PG on a team in playoff position in an extremely tough conference is enough to admit... yeah.. the guy's pretty good.

fair enough, and i never mentioned he was a "bad" player

but for you to use the term "wasted" for the players i mentioned is quit ridiculous. Whether u want to believe the rockets are in playoff contention because of Lin you can do that and I want debate u.

But Harden, Parsons, and Asik are much more of the reasons...especially harden, he has turned a team that would have been a 50-60 loss team to a possible 6-8 seed.

Disagree. Lin makes the Rockets go. He gives the team what they need might in and night out, whether it's scoring, distributing, or defense. I had the Rockets pegged as a playoff team before the harden trade because they are an unselfish team who have their roles well defined and Lin can help maximize player's production. All you have to do is see how the team plays when Toney is running the point and you will understand. Same thing as last year with the Knicks.

That said, Harden makes the Rockets a legit contender. He can just exert his will like few players can, and he does it while being highly efficient and racks up assists.

[Thugger HBC]

Clippers are up by 38, but it literally feels like 100.

that team is dangerous...they have a great mix of of offense and defense...shooting and in the paint.

the only thing that might concern me is down the stretch is CP3 going to be the go to scorer?

will they let Crawford ISO?

blake can't shoot well enough to get buckets by himself.

I think they get exposed in a half court game, but luckily they wont have to worry about that much in the West.

But the team i think would give them the most trouble is this same team they are playing right now.

They are very similar in personnel, although the playing style varies somewhat, and i think they have beaten them twice already.

[Capn'O]

I thought Lin was only a 10-5 on 35% shooting sort of guy. Where's all the talk of his %s these days? Harden is obviously the big gun there and Lin has taken over as the main orchestrator. Since November he has been doing a damn good job and the Rockets are winning. Good for them. With the HC back, guys are falling into their roles there but they still need a few more pieces. Obviously, Millsap would be great for them.



On to more important things - I can respect how the Clippers are just dominating but D"Andre's lack of blocks is a huge concern going forward. Mainly because I have him on my fantasy team and was TOTALLY **** RELYING ON YOUR BLOCKS YOU BIG FAT **** DOUCHE!!!!!

That is all.

[Butch718]

Clips also have an insane amount of depth on that team, and they don't even have a healthy Billups or Hill coming off the bench yet.

Yeah, that team is scary.

only thing i question from them is do they have a go to scorer down the stretch which u need in the playoffs...we got Melo.

I feel like CP3 would be out of his element trying to score...they almost blew a huge lead vs the lakers the other night because CP3 was taking some reckless shots because they couldn't get any other looks late.

It's a valid point, but with the way they've been playing defense(4th overall in PPG allowed) I think they can make some serious noise in the playoffs this year. Having Paul be the go to guy when the game is on the line is still pretty damn good. He may not be as good as Melo when the game is on the line, but he can still create his own shot and find good looks for others. I certainly like their team a lot better than the one that got swept by SA last year.

[mpharris36]

Free as in the dude didn't have a job and we signed him... Do you know how rare his situation is? Find me a guy that got the kind of pay raise he's gotten and that all things considered is giving a nice return on that pay raise? All those guys you're mentioning have had draft picks wasted on them. The mere fact that the guy is a starting PG on a team in playoff position in an extremely tough conference is enough to admit... yeah.. the guy's pretty good.

fair enough, and i never mentioned he was a "bad" player

but for you to use the term "wasted" for the players i mentioned is quit ridiculous. Whether u want to believe the rockets are in playoff contention because of Lin you can do that and I want debate u.

But Harden, Parsons, and Asik are much more of the reasons...especially harden, he has turned a team that would have been a 50-60 loss team to a possible 6-8 seed.

Disagree. Lin makes the Rockets go. He gives the team what they need might in and night out, whether it's scoring, distributing, or defense. I had the Rockets pegged as a playoff team before the harden trade because they are an unselfish team who have their roles well defined and Lin can help maximize player's production. All you have to do is see how the team plays when Toney is running the point and you will understand. Same thing as last year with the Knicks.

That said, Harden makes the Rockets a legit contender. He can just exert his will like few players can, and he does it while being highly efficient and racks up assists.

well we will have to agree to disagree

HARDEN makes the rockets go, they weren't a playoff team before the trade either (i guess we wont officially know since it never happened but just looking at that roster. Harden is having a MVP type season and they are 20-14.

Assuming Harden wasn't there how can u honestly say they would have a similar record?

[Bill Bradley]

Free as in the dude didn't have a job and we signed him... Do you know how rare his situation is? Find me a guy that got the kind of pay raise he's gotten and that all things considered is giving a nice return on that pay raise? All those guys you're mentioning have had draft picks wasted on them. The mere fact that the guy is a starting PG on a team in playoff position in an extremely tough conference is enough to admit... yeah.. the guy's pretty good.

He was free, keyword "was" free when we picked him off waivers. What he has done last season is in the past. What he is doing in Houston has no bearing on what the Knicks are doing now. He wouldn't be free because we would of had to pay a hefty price to keep him.

I mean let's just think about this for a second. For the first couple of games when Lin was still recovering from his knee injury. Do you really think the team (Knicks) would be playing at the level they are right now? He was really struggling out there. It took Lin a while to get his legs under him and can you imagine if Lin somehow struggled here how the media would be all over it (us)? Sheesh...I don't want to think about it.

I was happy with Lin was here but like it was mentioned before, the best part about him being gone is all of the attention that he (and it wasn't directly his fault) brought is gone too. All of these unneeded questions about chemistry and fit, no longer being asked. The Knicks' focus this season is all about everyone else and winning. There is hardly talk about, "can X play with Y", and "will A be able to play with B", and "who's team should it be".

The Knicks replaced Lin with Felton and the Knicks have their best start in over ten years. Was it all because of Felton? Of course not. But us not re-signing Lin didn't turn into a catastrophic failure or a major blunder when the dust settled. Lin is doing his thing in Houston with Harden and Felton is doing his thing in New York with Melo and the rest of the team.

The Knicks have a good thing going now and if a reason is because some players felt that a burden has been lifted, I am happy because when all is said and done, the Knicks are winning. And that's all that matters.

Personally I think the Knicks hot start was fools gold. They had a lot to prove with the whole Lin saga and came out motivated and then reverted to who they really were, and will continue to do so. Knicks would be far better if guys like Melo and JR could ditch their egos and play team ball with Lin. But they feel more comfortable with Felton and that has helped team chemistry but hurt overall talent level and team play. Just my opinion.

[Capn'O]

i can point out more strong games during the entire game from Parsons and Asik then Lin from a overall season standpoint

Well of course you can. Lin was terrible for the entire month of November. He and Asik are pretty clearly their 2 and 2a best players behind Harden going forward.