Heat begin talks with Kenyon Martin

[infinite11285]

There's a reason why we're loyal to Haslem - we owe him, a lot. We are still in debt to him. The guy has given us home town discounts of up to 50% or higher just to stay here, many teams have offered him much more and he stuck with his heart to stay here. Even though he might be useless now, we still owe him. He's contributed a lot in the past and we paid him a fraction of his market value. I wish we didn't get too attached with Haslem and just let business be business but the relationship got far too deep , so we are stuck with him. So I completely understand why Riley does not want to trade him.

Remember Wade asked Bosh and Lebron to take pay cuts just to keep Haslem. And Haslem is Wade's brother. He's not going anywhere so there's nothing we can do about it.

Haslem took a pay cut, went to the Finals twice, and won his second ring. You're not in debt to him anymore. It's a new year and he's just not cutting it. He honestly didnt play well last year either and the year before that he hardly played because he was hurt. In hindsight, it's a good thing he took a paycut in the first place because he surely isn't worth what he would've asked for if he didnt accept a reduced salary to play in Miami. In fact, one could argue that he's not worth what he's currently receiving! It's time to move on and cut the dead weight (he certainly isn't the only one).

[krikor]

He is worth his contract, udonis haslem.
Just on that big shot he made vs the pacers last year in playoffs

[Chosen01]

If it wasn't for Haslem, Heat may have lost game two against Chicago back in '11. Heat were getting pummeled on the boards and Spo was looking for answers and he himself said he was out of options.

Heat probably wouldn't have even made the finals if not for him that year and said just above, he hit some huge shots against the Pacers in Bosh's absence.

He's playing terrible now but I can see why Riley would be extremely reluctant especially with the loyalty Heat sell to FAs.

[Pimpwerx]

There's a reason why we're loyal to Haslem - we owe him, a lot. We are still in debt to him. The guy has given us home town discounts of up to 50% or higher just to stay here, many teams have offered him much more and he stuck with his heart to stay here. Even though he might be useless now, we still owe him. He's contributed a lot in the past and we paid him a fraction of his market value. I wish we didn't get too attached with Haslem and just let business be business but the relationship got far too deep , so we are stuck with him. So I completely understand why Riley does not want to trade him.

Remember Wade asked Bosh and Lebron to take pay cuts just to keep Haslem. And Haslem is Wade's brother. He's not going anywhere so there's nothing we can do about it.

Amen to that.

Haslem's defense on Dirk helped us win in 2006. His big Game2 in the ECF not only helped lift us for the win, but gave the team an emotional surge that carried on throughout that series. His timely enforcer play in the Indy series helped set the tone for our team, and he fired up his boy, Wade.

On top of all that, He's left over $20M on the table...twice. I'm not turning my back on UD. He's a hometown hero. He embodies everything I love about this great city (except the tits and ass, of course). He's been the co-captain, despite never being one of the Top2 players on the roster. As Zaslow would say, "UD was your boy." And you don't forsake that when he's in a slump. PEACE.

[Vertical Limit]

There's a reason why we're loyal to Haslem - we owe him, a lot. We are still in debt to him. The guy has given us home town discounts of up to 50% or higher just to stay here, many teams have offered him much more and he stuck with his heart to stay here. Even though he might be useless now, we still owe him. He's contributed a lot in the past and we paid him a fraction of his market value. I wish we didn't get too attached with Haslem and just let business be business but the relationship got far too deep , so we are stuck with him. So I completely understand why Riley does not want to trade him.

Remember Wade asked Bosh and Lebron to take pay cuts just to keep Haslem. And Haslem is Wade's brother. He's not going anywhere so there's nothing we can do about it.

Haslem took a pay cut, went to the Finals twice, and won his second ring. You're not in debt to him anymore. It's a new year and he's just not cutting it. He honestly didnt play well last year either and the year before that he hardly played because he was hurt. In hindsight, it's a good thing he took a paycut in the first place because he surely isn't worth what he would've asked for if he didnt accept a reduced salary to play in Miami. In fact, one could argue that he's not worth what he's currently receiving! It's time to move on and cut the dead weight (he certainly isn't the only one).

Sorry but just like Pimpwnerx said, he left 20 million on the table TWICE just to stay here. You won't find any player in the past decade or so that you can say that other than Haslem. We are still in debt to him whether you like it or not. And we owe him a front office/coaching job after his career is over as well. No championship ring is going to make up for the fact that he could be 40 million richer had he went to the Mavericks or the Thunder. If a championship is worth more than 40 million then Lebron Bosh and Wade should take sacrifices just like Haslem for we can load this team up with more talent, huh.

Like I said I wish we didn't get too attached and let Haslem get paid but it is what it is. He and Wade are family, and Wade had to talk Bosh and Lebron into taking smaller deals just to keep him here.

[Heat_Fan_87]

Some people here are really overrating Martin.

He is a worse rebounder than UD.

Martin had a total rebound % of 11.5 and a defensive rebound % of 16.9.

UD has a total rebound % of 15.6 and defensive rebound % of 23.5


I would love to offer the lakers the philly first, james jones and harrelson for jordan hill, but thats a pipe dream.

[imchillin]

Look man, its a business. We can keep Haslem's dead weight on the team if you all want but we still have to improve our front court and hes not gonna cut it. Whether Haslem goes or not isn't the point. We need better bigs, period.

[Vertical Limit]

It doesn't shock me that some of you new fans are not understanding what Wade had to sacrifice since 2007 just to bring in all these players while keeping Haslem and bringing Miller.

[Heat_Fan_87]

Haslem isn't going anywhere and he shouldn't. He is a warrior and will give 110% when it matters most. Can't ask for much more. He is a team player and a captain. If all our players played with the effort that UD gives we would be a much better team.

[Nitro1118]

Why are people talking about Haslem leaving? There is like 5 guys on the roster that would easily be cut over him, and unless he is packaged with a number of pieces to get a true big like Dalembert (who isn't worth giving up multiple pieces for), it wouldn't even make sense to get rid of him. And that's not even mentioning the whole loyalty thing.

Miami would get K-Mart to primarily take minutes away from Shane at PF...that is the goal unless a true, QUALITY center becomes available on the cheap.

[imchillin]

Why are people talking about Haslem leaving? There is like 5 guys on the roster that would easily be cut over him, and unless he is packaged with a number of pieces to get a true big like Dalembert (who isn't worth giving up multiple pieces for), it wouldn't even make sense to get rid of him. And that's not even mentioning the whole loyalty thing.

Miami would get K-Mart to primarily take minutes away from Shane at PF...that is the goal unless a true, QUALITY center becomes available on the cheap.

No one talked about him leaving. I believe everyone here knows hes not going anywhere. Pimpwerx and his compadres went on a tangent ....

[narmerguy]

Why are people talking about Haslem leaving? There is like 5 guys on the roster that would easily be cut over him, and unless he is packaged with a number of pieces to get a true big like Dalembert (who isn't worth giving up multiple pieces for), it wouldn't even make sense to get rid of him. And that's not even mentioning the whole loyalty thing.

Miami would get K-Mart to primarily take minutes away from Shane at PF...that is the goal unless a true, QUALITY center becomes available on the cheap.

Yeah I'm not really sure where this became a UD vs Martin battle, we can freaking have both and get rid of some of the other junk on our roster. I'd rather take a chance at a guy who may not play over keeping a bunch of people we know will not play.

[RJM]

Martin would bring added toughness and athleticism to our front line. Will he start? I don't know if that happens. Maybe. With our rotation what it is, he would certainly earn minutes within weeks. He can't be any worse than what Rashard Lewis has given us so far this season. Maybe HE rounds into form and we're able to pick up a center; but right now, with things the way they are, we may as well inject our power forward rotation with some center-qualities.

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

Watchout has been pin point on a lot of things. So, I think it is probable. We need another big in our rotation, for sure. I just hope it doesn't come at the cost of Jorts (though, not that he has shown much, really. Even then, it is unfair to say that since he has had limited play time). I'd rather we cut a wing at the end of the bench (as much as I love Harris' defensive energy).

Though, the Heat give the champions the benefit of the doubt (as seen with Pittman and Harris being kept over Temple). I think Jorts will be the odd man out.

@winisking: Watchout is a supposed Heat insider. So far, his track record is pretty legit. I believe he called the Big 3, Mike Bibby, Ronny Turiaf, Ray Allen, Rashard Lewis signings, as well as the Supercool Beasley trade. At least, this is what I gather from how far I looked back at his posts.

watchout has been wrong on some things. i forget which. i think he just guesses.

[MartyCONLONNN]

watchout also said a Dalembert signing was as good as done 2 summers ago lol *rolls eyes*

[pickIBL]

I hate to give the heat advice... like they need any more talent . But as a long time Nuggets fan I don't think Kmart would be worth adding to the mix. His competitive fire was great but it also came with a lot of baggage and injuries. Now that he is no longer an elite athlete he just isn't worth the trouble. George Karl had trouble handling him.

I suppose if you had an LLE available (not sure you) you could always go to Europe and buy out a big. A team that isn't contending this year or needs some cash would probably go for it. There are some pretty decent shooting big men over there too which better fit the heat. The better your floor spacing the easier it is for Lebron to run over defenders and dunk on them. It is not like you want to run the offense through the low post anyways. Get a shooter that can defend the paint a little bit.

[RexBoyWonder]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/22 ... yon_Martin

The New York Knicks have expressed interest again in Kenyon Martin, according to sources.

The Knicks have been conducting due dilligence on Martin in recent days.

Martin is open-minded about signing a 10-day contract with the Knicks

Unbelievable.


they already got Camby, Rasheed Wallace, Kurt Thomas....how many big vetrens will they add? why can't we try him out for 10 days? is James Jones that important? Is Pittman better? Varnado?

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

Knicks piggy back off whatever we do.

[broke]

i think it's because the Heat seem to like taking it slow when it comes to signing players. The knicks front office seems much more willing to pull the trigger on contracts than us.

So the Knicks will get K-Mart and we'll get Varnardo who we dropped then he went else where and got dropped so we'll have him back again. Maybe he'll come good.......

[Pimpwerx]

Knicks have more money to burn than us. Eventhough we ditched Jorts, I'd still rather go after Birdman than KMart. Birdman is supposed to be a good teammate, and his work ethic and attitude should work well here. PEACE.