Trade Targets

[vincecarter4pres]

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Well, this is an interesting wrinkle. According to a league source for NetsDaily, the Brooklyn Nets agreed to swap their 2014 and 2015 first-round picks with Atlanta as part of the Joe Johnson trade. This part of the deal was previously unreported. The Nets still have the right to trade the picks.

How it was learned: I was approached on Twitter this morning by user @SickBeardGame regarding a weird note on RealGM's transaction page that noted Atlanta's right to swap 2014 and 2015 picks with Brooklyn. I dismissed it: RealGM's been wrong on these transaction pages before, no other outlet had reported this, and if RealGM had a scoop of this magnitude, I presumed they would've milked it for all it was worth.

But, as it turns out, it's true. So mea culpa.

More interesting than me being wrong -- which occurs relatively often -- is that this part of the deal was not mentioned in the official Nets press release regarding the trade, giving the impression that the Nets still owned all of their first-round picks in full through 2017.

Barring injury, the Nets shouldn't be giving up any lottery picks with this change -- they're constructed as a playoff team -- but if the past few years have taught us anything, it's that things can change in an instant in the NBA.

Sorry JG, I told him it was you who found it.

Shout to J Ireland as well, also deserves most of the credit here, he's the one who got at Net Income.

[REGG-G-UNIT]

Silver lining is that the Hawks despite their fast start this year are not a good team and unless they Joe Johnson Josh Smith he's probably gone in the offseason only making them worse...

So even if the Nets continue to suck I don't really envision either of those pick swaps going down. Still pure stupidity to include them in there though...

[Jersey Generals]

http://thebrooklyngame.com/details-of-joe-johnson-trade-emerge-nets-agreed-to-swap-2014-15-first-round-picks-with-atlanta/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Well, this is an interesting wrinkle. According to a league source for NetsDaily, the Brooklyn Nets agreed to swap their 2014 and 2015 first-round picks with Atlanta as part of the Joe Johnson trade. This part of the deal was previously unreported. The Nets still have the right to trade the picks.

How it was learned: I was approached on Twitter this morning by user @SickBeardGame regarding a weird note on RealGM's transaction page that noted Atlanta's right to swap 2014 and 2015 picks with Brooklyn. I dismissed it: RealGM's been wrong on these transaction pages before, no other outlet had reported this, and if RealGM had a scoop of this magnitude, I presumed they would've milked it for all it was worth.

But, as it turns out, it's true. So mea culpa.

More interesting than me being wrong -- which occurs relatively often -- is that this part of the deal was not mentioned in the official Nets press release regarding the trade, giving the impression that the Nets still owned all of their first-round picks in full through 2017.

Barring injury, the Nets shouldn't be giving up any lottery picks with this change -- they're constructed as a playoff team -- but if the past few years have taught us anything, it's that things can change in an instant in the NBA.

Sorry JG, I told him it was you who found it.

Shout to J Ireland as well, also deserves most of the credit here, he's the one who got at Net Income.

I want my gosh damn credit, sir! I do one thing over the past few months and I can't even get a shout out, ha.

Who is J Ireland?

[Jersey Generals]

Silver lining is that the Hawks despite their fast start this year are not a good team and unless they Joe Johnson Josh Smith he's probably gone in the offseason only making them worse...

So even if the Nets continue to suck I don't really envision either of those pick swaps going down. Still pure stupidity to include them in there though...

It doesn't matter if the swap it actually vested, it ruins their value.

[vincecarter4pres]

Silver lining is that the Hawks despite their fast start this year are not a good team and unless they Joe Johnson Josh Smith he's probably gone in the offseason only making them worse...

So even if the Nets continue to suck I don't really envision either of those pick swaps going down. Still pure stupidity to include them in there though...

It doesn't matter if the swap it actually vested, it ruins their value.

To me there is one concern and one concern only, that being a huge one:

Injuries.

If one of those years we wind up smashed by the injury bug we could conceptually be swapping the 1st overall pick for whatever pick Atlanta has.

Even if Atlanta was like 7th overall bad. Or 4th.

Could you imagine having to swap Kyrie Irving for Bismack Biyombo? Or Anthony Davis for Thomas Robinson or Harrison Barnes? How about Derrick Rose for Eric Gordon? Lebron for Hinrich?!

Oh Billy, Billy, Billy...

[Jersey Generals]

Why use fake examples? Why not just look to the other borough? Can you imagine having to swap Joakim Noah for Wilson Chandler?

[vincecarter4pres]

Why use fake examples? Why not just look to the other borough? Can you imagine having to swap Joakim Noah for Wilson Chandler?

Mind. Blown.

[N Ireland Nets]

Why use fake examples? Why not just look to the other borough? Can you imagine having to swap Joakim Noah for Wilson Chandler?

It's worse than that to me.

Billy King agreed to this while we had no clue if D Will was to return going by his and Williams reports that it was close whether he stayed with BKN or left for Dallas.

Think about that for a second, King had signed Wallace to a 4 year $10m per deal, Lopez was a RFA so was always returning & the then Johnson was traded for.

Without D Will re-signed, we'd be a Lopez foot injury away from a lottery team.

That's what blows my mind, he's now risked it all on the Wallace trade & now on the JJ trade. That's playing with fire and exactly the reason I'm worried about what he'll do next.

[vincecarter4pres]

I'm calling it right now, he's going to trade 3 1st round picks, MarShon and Hump for Monta Ellis and Drew Gooden, mainly to spite me, but mainly cause he think they g00d.

[therealbig3]

^Don't you know that Monta Ellis is exactly what we need for this team though?

And Monta Elli have it all:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7G9yS2-x5sA[/youtube]

[therealbig3]

It's stuff like this that makes me not want Billy King to trade for anyone at the deadline...because what's more likely, that he's going to take advantage of a situation where a talented player that fills a need can be had for cheap because he's underperforming or because the team doesn't want him (Nene, Boozer, Gasol, etc.), or that he's going to massively overpay for players that marginally improve us at best (Ilyasova, Jefferson, etc.)?

[vincecarter4pres]

It's stuff like this that makes me not want Billy King to trade for anyone at the deadline...because what's more likely, that he's going to take advantage of a situation where a talented player that fills a need can be had for cheap because he's underperforming or because the team doesn't want him (Nene, Boozer, Gasol, etc.), or that he's going to massively overpay for players that marginally improve us at best (Ilyasova, Jefferson, etc.)?

I share this fear as well.

All jokes aside, I really feel like we're going to wind up with Monta. It just feels like a Billy King move and on top of him being a sack of inefficiency with cheese, he's so deluded I think he'll value starting over winning even if he was getting 35 minutes a game in a Manu like role and would bitch and moan the rest of the way and walk in free agency.

I fear who else he might deal for. We don't have the assets to truly force a good player trade, but we do have them to force a bad player trade. And I mean a lot worse then Monta. Or getting a Beasley on the super cheap. I mean along the lines of sending 3 picks and Brooks for Al Jefferson or again, even worse, like Beasley but shipping 2 picks and Bogdanovic for him. Or Rodney Stuckey for all our picks. Maybe Tyreke Evans? How about some Glen Davis for Tele and picks? Something straight silly like that.

[DarkXaero]

So apparently Grizzlies have been shopping Rudy Gay hard this week and seem to be ready to get rid of him or another big salary player to avoid luxury tax.

[N Ireland Nets]

So apparently Grizzlies have been shopping Rudy Gay hard this week and seem to be ready to get rid of him or another big salary player to avoid luxury tax.

I'd try to get them to take Hump & Brooks for Gay but they wouldn't do it. Then add our 2013 1st rounder, they prob still wouldn't do it. So I'd look to get a 3rd team like Detroit involved in a 3 team deal. Send Hump to Detroit who send Corey Maggette to Memphis along with Brooks & a 1st rounder.

But yeh the best deal all around would be Hump to Detroit, Brooks and Maggette to Memphis and Gay to Brooklyn. Maybe a 1st rounder to sent out from Brooklyn as well but I'd be very happy to acquire Gay for Hump, Brooks and a pick.

In all honesty i'd even trade Wallace for Gay. Salaries are difficult to match without sending Tele etc but Wallace, Stack, Taylor & Toko for Gay but no picks are sent due to Memphis getting a legit SF replacement and it works:

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6196704

But Memphis are more interested in cap saving so the 3 way deal makes far more sense for them in the long run while bringing in Brooks.

[jeff1624]

^^Detroit could just cut us out of the deal and trade for Gay themselves. THough that is never gonna happen because Maggette is a negative even if he is an expiring.

[vincecarter4pres]

In all honesty i'd even trade Wallace for Gay. Salaries are difficult to match without sending Tele etc.

This is the deal I posted on the Trades and Transactions Board a couple days ago:

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradecheck ... de/6196736

Gay for Wallace/Brooks/Watson

If needed throw in a pick, but I think the salary savings and inclusion of Brooks should be enough.

Also works with Bogans in CJ's place, which is better for us.

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradecheck ... de/6196745

[vincecarter4pres]

Also, although there was some tongue in cheek to my rant about Beasley for 5 1st round picks, I would hope someone in ownership will have to give an OK on any deal Billy makes trying to save his own job.

[chitownsalesmen]

Bulls fan here, what would you guys be willing to trade for Boozer?

[Jersey Generals]

Not much. The most you'd get is Kris Humphries and Brooks for Boozer and a second or two from me, and that's only at next year's deadline. We all know that Boozer is going to be amnestied after next season, or maybe even sooner, which means that Humphries deal would actually be cheaper for the Bulls than to keep Boozer. I'd hold out until the Bulls give in for nothing mroe than a straight swap.

However, knowing Billy King, have fun with Marshon Brooks and the 2013 and 2016 picks from the Nets.

[vincecarter4pres]

Not much. The most you'd get is Kris Humphries and Brooks for Boozer and a second or two from me, and that's only at next year's deadline. We all know that Boozer is going to be amnestied after next season, or maybe even sooner, which means that Humphries deal would actually be cheaper for the Bulls than to keep Boozer. I'd hold out until the Bulls give in for nothing mroe than a straight swap.

However, knowing Billy King, have fun with Marshon Brooks and the 2013 and 2016 picks from the Nets.

The 2016 first for maximum value, LMAO! Well played sir.