GT: Bobcats @ Pistons - 1st 5 gm win streak since '10?

[kurtis48239]

The Bobcats deserve some credit... they played good interior D... forced t.o.s and took advantage of our predictability.

Exactly, and they out hustled the Pistons tonight. Love MKGs game, and Biyombo played really hard. Got to give them credit. Too many turn overs, too many offensive rebounds, and generally poor guard play. Pretty simple really. Still, some games are like that. Even the Wizards beat the Heat, and the Bobcats are a lot closer to the Pistons than that. Love the prediction of a long losing streak. That's the spirit, find that silver lining.

I am not a sore loser but I think the pistons lost this game themselfs then the cats really out hustling us,bad ft shooting,dumb turnovers.It was like we were watching the cats in red,white,and blue.

[PalmTree]

Good game tonight, you guys really stuck with us the entire game. I just knew we'd lose at the buzzer, that's what usually happens to us. Can't wait for our next meeting, should be fun!

[vege]

I am not a sore loser but I think the pistons lost this game themselfs then the cats really out hustling us,bad ft shooting,dumb turnovers.It was like we were watching the cats in red,white,and blue.

That's what piss me off, we lost to a much worse team, we were playing well even with a horrible guard play we were still having a good game, we lost to ourselves, we got out hustled and our execution down the stretch was pathetic.

Our PG had 1 Assist the whole game, that's disgusting and the fact he had 4 TOs make it unacceptable. Stuckey played even worse than Knight. He had the missmatch against BG and he didn't take advantage of that advantage on the 2nd half. That's why BG was allowed to stay in the game and score 18 points.

Daye just had a 20 points game, Frank got him into the game late and we never gave him a chance to get on fire.

No one on the LoLcats could stop Monroe, he shot 70% from the field, yet we only gave him 10 shots and we didn't went for him when we needed to score...

[vege]

Good game tonight, you guys really stuck with us the entire game. I just knew we'd lose at the buzzer, that's what usually happens to us. Can't wait for our next meeting, should be fun!

The Bobcats deserved the win, they wanted it more than Detroit and that's why they got it. They outhustled us the entire game.

Jeff Taylor impressed me on offense, he should shoot more and be more aggressive, he also should play more, it was a mistake to play him on Prince on defense, Prince was just too long for him and could score at will.

Biyombo also played very well, he was very active despite of being undersized if compared to Monroe or Drummond.

Kemba would have a good game if he hadn't chunk those 4 3's... But whenever you guys needed him to win the game he was there.

Kemba/Taylor/MKG/Biyombo seems like a solid core, you guys need some size next to Biyombo and the team should be fine.

[princeofpalace]

Guard play and defense lost this game, IMO.

Our bench is so much more ineffective when Bynum/Stuckey are in it together, we dont spread the floor and take the wide open shots. Stuckey to me is Jamal Crawford, even when his stats are solid, he doesnt help the team win. Im so over him. We need a less ball dominant SG that can shoot the damn ball. It was so much harder for us to score when we went away from our shooting game.

These two players (Stuckey moreso than Bynum), play the game for themselves, CV was on fire tonight but they stopped giving him shots. Daye went for 20 last game, they gave him the ball once. Instead, these two guys decided that they should shoot the longball, despite not even being adequate shooter and thats completely unacceptable IMO.

Im not going to hate KNight too much this game for his PG play, as its clear that he was designed to bring the ball up the court and hand it off to Monroe in the high post to facilitate and that worked out well. We dont give Knight freedom in the offense because he hasn't really earned it. We need shooters in the backcourt and we could use a pass first PG, Period. We will never compete until we have those things and our guard play is going to continue to cost us games.

For now, the best option for the team is to roll with Knight/Daye in the backcourt. He's the better option than Singler, who has been horrid, and a much better option than the very ball dominant Stuckey since he spreads the floor. Knight/Daye/Prince/Monroe/Drummond is our best option to start.

[Elden Payton]

Good game guys.

Drummond is going to be very good and you guys criminally underrate Monroe now.

Knight would be an excellent SG and I say that with no malice, he can be a secondary ballhandler, play good d and spot up for high percentage shots from the corner or elbow, he plays a very similar role now but as the primary ball handler stagnates the offense.

He will be everything Stuckey could have been though with a legit 3 ball.

@Combo

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[ComboGuardCity]

Good game guys.

Drummond is going to be very good and you guys criminally underrate Monroe now.

Knight would be an excellent SG and I say that with no malice, he can be a secondary ballhandler, play good d and spot up for high percentage shots from the corner or elbow, he plays a very similar role now but as the primary ball handler stagnates the offense.

He will be everything Stuckey could have been though with a legit 3 ball.

@Combo

Apologies for any disrespect shown by posters I will not name on our board, they are a minority.

No worries. Every fan base has that loud minority that can misrepresent an entire fan base.

In our current system, Knight doesn't even play like a PG. The offense Frank runs is really weird. There is no consistency to it and is only involves the first unit. Knight Dribbles up the court. Gives the ball to either Monroe or Prince in the high post and then eventually ends up spotting up at the 3pt line. I've never seen him get the same freedom that Bynum does with the second unit. I wouldn't mind seeing him try and play the Bynum role as a back up for a few games just to see how far along he is as an actual PG, which may not be very good.

[Goldtop]

Our bench is so much more ineffective when Bynum/Stuckey are in it together, we dont spread the floor and take the wide open shots.

agreed. Stuckey needs to go back to the starting lineup, and allow Bynum to be "the man" again on the 2nd unit.

The problem is the reason Stuckey has been effective at PG with the 2nd unit is because he has shooters around him to spread the court for his penetration. If we put him back at PG in the starting lineup it won't be the same. And we've already seen what we look like with him at SG (0-8)

What I would try is Stuckey at PG, Knight at SG, Daye at SF. Knight/Daye at the 2/3 would spread the court enough to open up lanes for Stuckey. The problem is Tay is playing great lately, so its hard to see Frank benching him for Daye.

They need to figure something out though with Stuckey/Bynum, because while the bench has still produced the last 2 games, it hasn't looked the same since Stuckey returned. 2 ball dominant guards doesn't work for that unit. The 2nd unit thrives with Drummond down low, 3 shooters on the perimeter (CV/Daye/Singler) to spread the court, and 1 ball handler (Bynum). Thats the formula that worked so great for those big wins we had. 2 ball handlers just confuses everything.

I understood not messing with anything when the bench was playing awesomem but now that our bench has an issue again, and our starting lineup still has issues, I think they need to switch some things up

[pistontr]

knight is unsuccessful because everbody shackle him. he has no freedom. they ban him to touch the ball.

man, he has freedom but he has no idea what he should do. so, he dribbles, dribbles, dribbles and gives the ball someone who maybe has an idea

[pistontr]

bynum uses both shooters (daye, villanueva) and big man (drummond) pretty good. he is not great (not even close) but he knows basics.

[Goldtop]

^You make a good point, and I'd be curious to see what Knight does running the same group - Drummond, CV, Daye, and Singler. Maybe see if those are the type of players Knight needs around him to be successful.

I don't think Knight is a bad ball-handler, its just that the starting lineup makes the court so condensed due to lack of shooters, that he doesn't have a lot of room to operate, and few options to pass to.

All he really has is Monroe or Tay on the block, or Tay occasionally for a midrange shot.

Look at the options Bynum has: Consistent 3 pt shooters in CV/Daye to spread the court horizontally. Then he can just throw it up top to Drummond for lobs whenever he gets in trouble around the basket, which spreads the court vertically. He's got the court spread in all directions, giving him much more room to dribble.

I wonder what Knight would look like with that same space around him.

[Eoghan]

Hate I missed this game, I really wanted to see my boy Dre. :sadface:

Losing to the Bobcats typically means: You don't take advantage of a size advantage in the post. You don't have enough capable shooters to rain open 3's all game.

I know y'all have the bigs in Moose and Dre to be a nightmare for us but it seems like y'all need to trade some underachieving guards for some with better passing, ball IQ, and 3pt shooting. I'd find a way to get Calderon for a one year rental or play English more or something.

Cheers