OT: Alex Jones freaks out on CNN

[AndroidMan]

an Iraqi child living in poverty and being trained to be a soldier from birth?

How delusional are you. Is that what you think of Iraqi children? You are seriously sick in the head.

[AndroidMan]

Since when does 911 or ADT have a response time that will prevent the crime? Sure they might catch the guy coming to do harm to your family but the average police response time off a 911 call is over 4 minutes. How is that supposed to protect your family from some wack job busting in? The problem with SOPA that you continue to fail to understand is not what it was advertised that it was going to do but the abuses that it would then allow that they wouldnt talk about.

I notice you conveniently didn't even mention the NDAA why not? Another history lesson for you is that every dictator in recent history whether it be Hitler, Stalin, Castro, Qadaffi or others have all been able to come to such great control and power over their countries by disarming the public with the promise it was in their best interests for their own safety.

A person like you clearly has too much trust in his government. You also fail to realize that every government is destined to become corrupt and overpowering unless the proper precautions and restrictions are in place to restrain it....IE the constitution

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[J9Starks3]

I don't believe fighting for your liberties is hopeless or dumb. But there are many avenues to do that. Run for congress for one. Make enough money so that you become the lobbyist and congressmen are kissing your ass for money and owe you favors.

Or how about protesting with an actual message and an understanding of the issues not like the occupy wall street idiots.

What i do think is dumb is you thinking that you have any chance against an organized govt with your only weapon being a gun.

Not only that but lets say right now you give every single civilian a gun. Do you know how many accidental shootings there would be? You need proper training to hit your targets IN A CRISIS SITUATION. Not just a shooting range. Constant training.

I would gladly put 100 seals vs 1000 armed civilians with their only training being the occasional trip to the shooting range.

I also believe that this whole notion, without backing btw, that there is some looming govt conspiracy to make the US citizens all slaves is just ...just... ROFL AT PEOPLE WHO THINK THIS.

You don't get the global impact that would have? You don't get that other countries who have billions invested here would care? Or would do something about? The chances of a tyrant in the US are almost 0 because it would destabilized the whole world.

At that point your guns wouldn't matter because it would be the US vs the allied world.

Serious question how old are you?

I believe we as a people have inalienable rights ... so your solutions dont fit with my philosophy. Sure, running for congress is all well and good, but does not change the fact that democracies fail to protect your liberties throughout history and eventually you and you alone are the last line of defense. Besides that, I dont want to become a lobbyist to protect my rights while others suffer, thats actually the worst case scenario...essentially what you are advocating is "let tyranny come, just make sure youre on the side of tyranny". No thank you!

As to my age, Im 31 and have 2 kids and would do anything to make sure they do not have to give up their rights!

[AndroidMan]

This is what I hate about americas youth which I am pretty sure you are in your early 20s or still in college.

You act as if your life is hard. As if you can compare the atrocities or hardships that people in third world countries live to your own hardships (lol at calling them that here).

We are talking about giving guns to american citizens not iraqi, pakistani or any other middle eastern country. Their past and present are wildly different than those here.

Have you even traveled? Ever been to a third world country?

War is not suppose to be about PR but sadly for us too many times it is. I didn't agree with the Iraq war. My comments still stand.

You cannot compare Iraqs situation with ours. So stop.

I didn't initiate the Iraqi discussion. You did. I just stated your false logic of "we shouldn't have handcuffs when fighting wars". I'm likely older, much older then you. That's besides the point. If we judge post by post between us I'd assume most would presume me to be the more mature one, as I can explain my thoughts without using emoticons(sign of pubescent teen). Either way, you should think more thoroughly before you post, as you just go into circular discussions. You're pretty much a a waste of time and digital bandwith.

[aj49689]

Yes and that is exactly why guns should be banned. Because without those guns Mommy and daddy WON'T GET SHOT. Then 5 year old doesn't have to see their parents get shot, then said 5 year old doesn't have to pick up a gun that probally will be misused and either shot himself or the wrong person instead of the perpetrator. Its funny that you actually would use this example.

A 5 year old pick up a gun? Really that is your comeback to compare to an Iraqi child living in poverty and being trained to be a soldier from birth? ROFL wow just wow. Delusional much?

Lmao, i'm talking about if war came to America. Not to mention an intruder, but its not about 5 years olds...its about all kids. I wouldn't want my kids to pick guns up to only be shot but it don't stop me from knowing of a few young kids that are capable of the same type of Iraqi child living in poverty situation. You don't realize but we have kids being raised here in America just the same. Just because you don't know of any doesn't mean everyong else is "Delusional".

[aj49689]

Since when does 911 or ADT have a response time that will prevent the crime? Sure they might catch the guy coming to do harm to your family but the average police response time off a 911 call is over 4 minutes. How is that supposed to protect your family from some wack job busting in? The problem with SOPA that you continue to fail to understand is not what it was advertised that it was going to do but the abuses that it would then allow that they wouldnt talk about.

I notice you conveniently didn't even mention the NDAA why not? Another history lesson for you is that every dictator in recent history whether it be Hitler, Stalin, Castro, Qadaffi or others have all been able to come to such great control and power over their countries by disarming the public with the promise it was in their best interests for their own safety.

A person like you clearly has too much trust in his government. You also fail to realize that every government is destined to become corrupt and overpowering unless the proper precautions and restrictions are in place to restrain it....IE the constitution

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[carmelo115]

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The US Government are ruthless, complete power freaks. Remember these guys will kill children overseas just to get one supposed person who they deem to be a terrorist. Drones are unconstitutional as they are shooting and killing people in places they have no business being in e.g Pakistan.


If the government is going to disarm the citizens then they should disarm themselves as well.

[NYK_Lampe]

This is what I hate about americas youth which I am pretty sure you are in your early 20s or still in college.

You act as if your life is hard. As if you can compare the atrocities or hardships that people in third world countries live to your own hardships (lol at calling them that here).

We are talking about giving guns to american citizens not iraqi, pakistani or any other middle eastern country. Their past and present are wildly different than those here.

Have you even traveled? Ever been to a third world country?

War is not suppose to be about PR but sadly for us too many times it is. I didn't agree with the Iraq war. My comments still stand.

You cannot compare Iraqs situation with ours. So stop.

I didn't initiate the Iraqi discussion. You did. I just stated your false logic of "we shouldn't have handcuffs when fighting wars". I'm likely older, much older then you. That's besides the point. If we judge post by post between us I'd assume most would presume me to be the more mature one, as I can explain my thoughts without using emoticons(sign of pubescent teen). Either way, you should think more thoroughly before you post, as you just go into circular discussions. You're pretty much a a waste of time and digital bandwith.

I would agree sir that you are indeed older than this wiseguy 21shumpstreet. He cannot express his views without trying to insult or belittle the poster he is seeking to debate. He also states that the consitution needs to be either done away with or changed because of how old it is without providing any real support of that theory. Sounds to me like he is watching quite a bit of the mainstream media and parroting some of the extremists views that they are having on air currently

[J9Starks3]

The claim that "an armed civilian militia stands no chance against the superior forces of the US Military so whats the point of trying" has a few thousand years of history to prove it completely false.

And even if true...would not stop me for fighting for my life and my liberty.

[carmelo115]

The US military has lost nearly all of its wars since World war 2. You think they can take on a potential 300 million armed citizens?

[21shumpshumpst]

It's sad that most people don't get the point that our freedoms that we have are secure due to the fact we can own firearms. That is one of the main purposes of the 2nd amendment which is to prevent the government from abusing its power. Look at things like the NDAA and SOPA that they've tried or have sneaked by us while we are allowed to be armed. These kind of abuses would only become much more common and more drastic in an unarmed US

It's sad that you don't understand that when the constituion was written it was a different time and the world has changed.

Why did the founding fathers didn't put probition on spying on phones and interwebs. Oh well because it wasn't created yet.

You guys who stick to your guns don't get that. it was a different time back then. When a freedom like that was needed. People needed to protect their land. There were no 911 calls. No ADT. None of that stuff.

But you keep thinking its olden times just so you feel important or so you feel safe from the boogy man who is out to get you and steal your rights.

BTW SOPA is made so that fools don't steal intellectual property and use it as their own. What is wrong with that?

Since when does 911 or ADT have a response time that will prevent the crime? Sure they might catch the guy coming to do harm to your family but the average police response time off a 911 call is over 4 minutes. How is that supposed to protect your family from some wack job busting in? The problem with SOPA that you continue to fail to understand is not what it was advertised that it was going to do but the abuses that it would then allow that they wouldnt talk about.

I notice you conveniently didn't even mention the NDAA why not? Another history lesson for you is that every dictator in recent history whether it be Hitler, Stalin, Castro, Qadaffi or others have all been able to come to such great control and power over their countries by disarming the public with the promise it was in their best interests for their own safety.

A person like you clearly has too much trust in his government. You also fail to realize that every government is destined to become corrupt and overpowering unless the proper precautions and restrictions are in place to restrain it....IE the constitution

You guys take eveyrthing I say and take it much much further. I said that the whole basis to create a law like SOPA was due to the problem of copyright infringement.

If you look through my posts I already said it went too far but there is nothing wrong with the basic premise of the law to keep intellectual property from being unlawfully used.

You named 4 dictators and all of a sudden this is going to happen in the US?

How come the UK doesn't have a dictatorship yet? They took away their guns, where is the dictatorship? Anyone?

Oh yeah no dictatorship why because the dictators came to power to suffering societies promising the betterment of their country. If you are starving you will listen to anyone who promises you that you will eat.

We are not 1939 germany. The fact that you guys keep trying to peg us to other dicatorships and not even look at the context in which those regimes came to power is laughable.

It wasn't just that they took their guns away it was a lot of other things that came into play for those dictatorships to come to power.

[johnnywishbone]

Yeah, people who can't protect themselves like little children - you idiot.

You don't need to hurl insults at him. I, personally, commend your belief and I think it's great you feel a responsibility to protect innocent lives, because so do I. The stuff that happened in Newtown was deplorable, unfortunately it is easy to blame guns in a situation where perhaps the blame falls on society or the parents for enabling a person like that murderer to grow up with an amoral view on the world. We live in a society where divorce is sky rocketing, parents are letting the TV raise their kids, and violence against innocent people is glamorized by every media type from games to music.

Taking away our guns is akin to banning twinkies to stop obesity instead of educating people on proper nutrition.

You are right. I can make my point without getting into insults.

You are also right in that they are many factors that make up a incident like Newtown. But it's statistically proven that the the number of guns in a society plays a large role in the amount of gun violence.

And really I'm not someone who wants to take away all the guns. Far from it. And the best argument is the one about it's not really the cause and there are technical issues with what do you consider semi-automatic and dressing up hunting rifles and all that.

But what blows my mind is the idea that we need guns to protect us from tyranny. People like Alex Jones are paranoid lunatics. I remember watching something years back of him saying that the government is putting fluoride in the water to make us dumb. I'm not calling everyone in here a paranoid lunatic but if you come here and say Alex Jones is absolutely right and we need to be ready for armageddon because it's coming then you should not own a firearm of any variety.

[E86]

The claim that "an armed civilian militia stands no chance against the superior forces of the US Military so whats the point of trying" has a few thousand years of history to prove it completely false.

And even if true...would not stop me for fighting for my life and my liberty.

Just look at Syria. Sometimes a couple of AK47's and a little grit can bring a Kingdom to it's KNEES.

[J9Starks3]

Nobody is saying a dictatorship WILL come to the US...what we are saying is it is much, much less likely with an armed public than without one.

The simple question would be, which is more likely to foster a dictator and the loss of liberty? A society where the only people that have guns is the government or a society where the number of armed citizens outnumbers the military 80 to 1?

[21shumpshumpst]

You are right guys. I am going to go buy my gun since the apocalypse is coming. I mean we have so many signs that there is about to be a dictatorship in this country.

there is ....and then there is that other clue of....and then that thing that dude did....

[21shumpshumpst]

Nobody is saying a dictatorship WILL come to the US...what we are saying is it is much, much less likely with an armed public than without one.

The simple question would be, which is more likely to foster a dictator and the loss of liberty? A society where the only people that have guns is the government or a society where the number of armed citizens outnumbers the military 80 to 1?

k then simple quesiton.

Put a percentage on the likelihood that in TODAY'S society a dictatorship would come to be.

Then tell me what you think that percentage would be if guns were outlawed.

[21shumpshumpst]

The claim that "an armed civilian militia stands no chance against the superior forces of the US Military so whats the point of trying" has a few thousand years of history to prove it completely false.

And even if true...would not stop me for fighting for my life and my liberty.

Just look at Syria. Sometimes a couple of AK47's and a little grit can bring a Kingdom to it's KNEES.

Just because Syria has the same weapons and personnel as the US. Wow you guys kill me.

[carmelo115]

You are right guys. I am going to go buy my gun since the apocalypse is coming. I mean we have so many signs that there is about to be a dictatorship in this country.

there is ....and then there is that other clue of....and then that thing that dude did....

Your post reeks of ignorance.

[yaboynyp]

The US military has lost nearly all of its wars since World war 2. You think they can take on a potential 300 million armed citizens?

More like 3..You, BigE, and Androidman..

[21shumpshumpst]

You are right guys. I am going to go buy my gun since the apocalypse is coming. I mean we have so many signs that there is about to be a dictatorship in this country.

there is ....and then there is that other clue of....and then that thing that dude did....

Your post reeks of ignorance.

Yes I know I know the big bad government is taking our liberties away one by one. They one day will put chips on us and control us.

I mean the signs are all around us. I mean just yesterday instead of taking the blue line home I had to take the red line. Those bastards even make me take the train they want.