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Re: Rudy Gay could be available via trade 

Post#21 » by ferk » Wed Jan 9, 2013 11:50 am

Grizzlies off system sucks .the are 20th or worse in almost every stay.
Gay put up 19ppg at. 47% and 39 %
I have no doubt he would put up those numbers again on a team with a better off system
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Post#22 » by myrak433 » Wed Jan 9, 2013 1:33 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:I will concede that Rudy Gay is an inefficient scorer.

I'd still trade Josh for Gay, move AL to PF, start Zaza at Center and Korver (or Jenkins!) in at SG. If it doesn't work after a year, we have an expiring contract to dangle.



Do you concede that Josh is a better player than Horford?
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Post#23 » by parson » Wed Jan 9, 2013 3:24 pm

myrak433 wrote:Do you concede that Josh is a better player than Horford?

THAT came out of left field.

Yes, we should get rid of EVERY player who is a "threat" to Smith. :-?
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Post#24 » by Geaux_Hawks » Wed Jan 9, 2013 4:06 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:I will concede that Rudy Gay is an inefficient scorer.

I'd still trade Josh for Gay, move AL to PF, start Zaza at Center and Korver (or Jenkins!) in at SG. If it doesn't work after a year, we have an expiring contract to dangle.

That's a lateral move at best. We don't gain nothing honestly except moving Al to the 4 which isn't going to make a difference for us. If we are going to make a move for gay, we should keep Smith as well.
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Post#25 » by Jamaaliver » Wed Jan 9, 2013 5:43 pm

myrak433 wrote:Do you concede that Josh is a better player than Horford?


Absolutely. I have admitted this. In THIS thread. That's what is so maddening, the better player gives us the same production as the inferior player, only at a more inefficient rate.

Jamaaliver wrote:I have no problem admitting that Josh is a better player than AL. He has a higher ceiling, but he also has the lower floor. He shoots an awful FG%, consistently one of the worse among the starters. He leads the team in turnovers every year (I believe this is the 4th year in a row.) Also, even though Josh is the superior player, what does it say that their stats are almost identical. Josh avg 1 point more, but takes 3 extra attempts to get there while shooting 10% worse from the field. Horford is a better rebounder. Josh is a massively better shot blocker. Both guys avg 3+ assists per game, but Josh also avg 3 turnovers a game. Josh is more aggressive, but does not always play smart. AL has tidy stats, but is not much of a pure scorer. He does depend on ball movement and smart guard play to get the ball in good spots. Both have flaws defensively. Josh is quicker, but smaller/weaker. AL is big & strong, but can't block shots. Josh avg 1 more steal, but AL has a higher PER and FG%.

I'd say Josh is the better player, but both are pretty equal as far as production goes.
My preference is based on intangibles that I don't believe Josh has. He still makes poor decisions, takes ill-advised shots, camps out at the three point line. But AL's ...timidness is frustrating at times, too. I'd love to see him get more shots considering his scoring avg has increased every single full season he's played. And since he always shoots over 50% from the field every single year.

Basically, which do you prefer: 16 pts & 9 rebs every game (on 52% shooting). Or 31 pts & 12 rebs one game, followed by 6 points and 5 rebs the next game. It all avg out to the same numbers. But one guy is more explosive and dynamic, the other is just more consistent.
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Re: Rudy Gay could be available via trade 

Post#26 » by Jamaaliver » Wed Jan 9, 2013 5:50 pm

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Jamaaliver wrote:I will concede that Rudy Gay is an inefficient scorer.

I'd still trade Josh for Gay, move AL to PF, start Zaza at Center and Korver (or Jenkins!) in at SG. If it doesn't work after a year, we have an expiring contract to dangle.

That's a lateral move at best. We don't gain nothing honestly except moving Al to the 4 which isn't going to make a difference for us. If we are going to make a move for gay, we should keep Smith as well.


Again, I think the impact of AL at PF and a REAL starting Center (if we can call Zaza that) would have a significant improvement on the team. We've seen the team share the ball and win games this season against top defensive teams because the ball flows better without Josh in the game. Ask the Pacers, Pistons and Thunder.

Acquiring Rudy Gay allows us to play a real SF at SF. It allows us to play a real PF at PF. And it gives us an expiring contract that we don't have to be afraid to deal.
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Post#27 » by Rip2137 » Wed Jan 9, 2013 8:19 pm

You keep referencing those three games as if the other games where the offense ran better with Josh on the court didn't happen. Small sample sizes mean nothing.

A few years back the Suns were undefeated when Steve Nash missed a game. Amare actually averaged more points. I don't think anyone would argue that the team was better without Steve Nash on the court. This team is better offensively and defensively with Josh in the game and there is no stat you could reference that was would say otherwise. There are always aberrations, but that can be said for anyone in the league. There are games where the Heat will get out of a hole with Lebron on the bench. That doesn't mean trade him for a lesser player and ignore all the other games.
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Post#28 » by Jamaaliver » Wed Jan 9, 2013 9:24 pm

Rip2137 wrote:This team is better offensively and defensively with Josh in the game and there is no stat you could reference that was would say otherwise.


Fair enough. Sounds like we can agree to disagree.

Fortunately for us, we get a chance to see it all play out over the next few months to help settle the debate. Here's hoping they beat up on the Cavs tonight to get off of this losing streak.
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Post#29 » by truehawksfan121 » Wed Jan 9, 2013 10:53 pm

Its hard to compare Rudy and josh cause they play 2 different positions. Josh is clearly the better defender between the two. Rudy is the better offensive player. He shoots the ball way better than josh and his handles are better. rudy is a #1 option. Rudy is having a bad year and his numbers is not really showing the type of player he is. If rudy was a #1 option on a team he would average 22 points easily. Memphis will not trade josh for Rudy. Josh does not fit well in Memphis. If anything we could get Rudy for expiring contracts and some picks.
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Post#30 » by Jamaaliver » Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:23 am

truehawksfan121 wrote:Memphis will not trade josh for Rudy. Josh does not fit well in Memphis. If anything we could get Rudy for expiring contracts and some picks.


Memphis' new ownership group is dumping salary like crazy. Zachary Randolph and Rudy Gay are on the trading block. They are indeed looking for expiring contracts. Josh is an xpiring contract. Memphis is also the team that offered him a deal last time when he was a free agent.
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Post#31 » by truehawksfan121 » Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:48 am

Yeah Memphis is trying to cut salary cause there in the tax. If they could move zach they would want josh. Besides zach Memphis gave deals to Darrell Arthur and Marresse Speights. If josh went there he would have to play sf. If they have no plans on resigning josh then why would they trade for him. Josh will not help them make a title run this year.Thats why I said we could give expiring contracts like Harris, morrow, petro, and two or three 1st round picks.
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Post#32 » by ATLHawksfan21 » Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:51 am

Al is NOT a better rebounder than Josh. I know you, Jamaal, will look at the boxscore and and say that Horford must be a better rebounder because he averages more a game. It's simple really, Al is around the basket much more than Josh and has more opportunities for rebounds.
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Post#33 » by Jamaaliver » Thu Jan 10, 2013 2:13 am

ATLHawksfan21 wrote:Al is NOT a better rebounder than Josh. It's simple really, Al is around the basket much more than Josh and has more opportunities for rebounds.


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Post#34 » by Jamaaliver » Thu Jan 10, 2013 2:57 am

truehawksfan121 wrote:Yeah Memphis is trying to cut salary cause there in the tax. If they have no plans on resigning josh then why would they trade for him. Thats why I said we could give expiring contracts like Harris, morrow, petro, and two or three 1st round picks.


Because Josh is the largest expiring contract we have. He could also prove beneficial to them in a sign and trade this summer.
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Post#35 » by Rip2137 » Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:30 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
ATLHawksfan21 wrote:Al is NOT a better rebounder than Josh. It's simple really, Al is around the basket much more than Josh and has more opportunities for rebounds.


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They really are basically the same as rebounders.

Josh plays defensively on the perimeter 3 times as much as Al(that is undebatable) They are 1.6 rebound per game apart. Last year, with no Al, Josh didn't get almost any time at the 3 and stayed in the paint more defensively and averaged the same as Al is averaging now. I honestly don't think one is better than the other rebounding wise honestly.
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Post#36 » by ATLHawksfan21 » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:21 am

Make a point to watch heavily contested rebounds and you will notice that Josh comes up with more of these than Al.
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Post#37 » by ATLHawksfan21 » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:21 am

Make a point to watch heavily contested rebounds and you will notice that Josh comes up with more of these than Al.

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