What are Jazz going to do?

[RyanStorm]

We are about one month away from the trade deadline. Paul and Al are both worth great trade value and have expiring contracts(including everyone else on starters*). Pretty much everyone on our team is worth something, but were looking at our starters for now.

Pretty much we can keep everyone and just run the course that may or may not get us into the playoffs. This would allow Millsap, Jefferson, Mo Williams, Randy Foye, Demaree Carroll, and Marvin Williams(*Marv has til June to back out next year), it would allow them all to go into FA this Summer. 1 for sure will not sign, which is Paul, but the rest is unknown.

The way I see it, even if you keep everyone, and just happen to make the playoffs with them...whats the point in having a playoff team that your not gonna have next year, is that what we really want?



Or, we trade our starters off by next month with over 2 months left. I am one for this deal, I believe in Burks, Hayward, Favors, and Kanter. Marvin is likely to stay cause no one else will give him the same amount, so count him in. Mo, Carroll and Foye are likely to resign if asked. However I am have no information on that, I just know Jazz are conservative when it comes to dealing off players that they don't have to(unless a deal comes up).


If we trade everyone who will leave us in FA, Paul and Al especially, we will more than likely not make the playoffs, either way were not likely to make the playoffs(even if we do, 1st round tops). However, this makes for an interesting point, in the fact that Jazz would get a better draft pick if they don't make the playoffs.

The bigger point is, Paul and Al are over 20 million dollars combined. That will turn into FA space if we keep them through the playoffs. So we could sign FA's next Summer. If we trade them, Millsap is probably worth more to us than on the market, but he is going either way. The rest haven't been asked, so we don't know if they will resign. I say look to trade anyone who won't sign an extension that is at least through next year.


Al could afford someone good in a trade, but I don't know if Paul or Al will be enough for 1st round picks, if not, were looking at swapping them for equal or lesser value, or throwing in Bell or someone else! If we do trade, I just think any chance to get draft picks should be looked into.


What do you think, trade away, or have everyone finish off the season? Or do you see minimal trading with the rest finishing off the season? Do you see anyone on expiring contracts resigning at least 1 more year?

[reapaman]

Well the jazz will very likely and predictabily do nothing except for mabey a small trade if the oppurtunity presents itself. Dennis Lindsey even said in his recent hoopworld interview that he likes where the team is at in terms of competiting for playoff spot, wants to see what this team can do in the long stretch this time around, like all of there guys and are not looking to make any moves which include adding free agents and d-league call ups (outside of murphy of course).

So to the dissapointment of jazz fans across the globe, they will do nothing again. BTW, they are likely not gonna do a youth movement next year. I can tell by lindsey's demenor that they will most likely try to bring in more vets next year including bringing back big AL depending on how much he ask for(if not then millsap will be back or mabey both) so they can make another playoff run. Then they will just let the young guys (and the incoming young guys since we will have 2 1st rounders this draft) try to earn their playing time and spot on the team.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-pm-utah-jazz-standing-pat/

[QuantumMacgyver]

I would really like to see the Jazz make a play at the following.

Jazz trade Al Jefferson to Washington.
Wiz trade Emeka Okafor/Trevor Ariza/Top 3 protected pick to Utah.

Wiz trade $20 million in salary next year, which they can then use to pursue free agents this summer to pair with Wall and convince him to stay. A draft pick at 4-10 isn't what the WIz need. They already have a roster bloated with top 10 picks and more youth than they know what to do with.

Jazz "waste" next seasons cap room on two underachieving players, but honestly even KOC knows that the odds of the Jazz landing a serious free agent are slim and none. In return for taking on this salary the Jazz receive a lottery pick from Washington, which is more useful in our rebuild than Big Al.

[RyanStorm]

I think Millsap kind of wrecked things.

I believe the Jazz, wanted this team to play through next year. Picking up players in the 2013 draft, and then trading next year to get 2014 picks. So the year after the 2014 picks(14-15 season), will be when they would push their bench up(which will give them all more experience).

I am 90% sure they will ask everyone to stay. Millsap being the lone case. He was already asked, and said he plans to leave. I think we should trade him for a 2014 draft pick, to a team who wants to cash in on that trade now(I don't know if any have one, but I think mid to lower 1st round pick as acceptable, especially if we toss in a disposable player like Bell or Watson).

I personally know Jazz won't intentionally bomb a season, and I don't want them to. Making the playoffs gives your players more value. I mean if Al and Paul make the playoffs, they will retain much value to teams wanting to make it next year.

[RyanStorm]

I would really like to see the Jazz make a play at the following.

Jazz trade Al Jefferson to Washington.
Wiz trade Emeka Okafor/Trevor Ariza/Top 3 protected pick to Utah.

Wiz trade $20 million in salary next year, which they can then use to pursue free agents this summer to pair with Wall and convince him to stay. A draft pick at 4-10 isn't what the WIz need. They already have a roster bloated with top 10 picks and more youth than they know what to do with.

Jazz "waste" next seasons cap room on two underachieving players, but honestly even KOC knows that the odds of the Jazz landing a serious free agent are slim and none. In return for taking on this salary the Jazz receive a lottery pick from Washington, which is more useful in our rebuild than Big Al.

I can see this as a good deal. I think Jazz have so much options, but securing a top pick is vital to building a team.I just read that this draft is not as packed as people think. I guess a lot of players are waiting till next year.

I personally don't mind seeing anyone at starter position leaving if we get some draft picks. All our greats were draft picks, Malone and Stockton, 13th and 16th overall, Mark Eaton, 72nd. So we don't exactly need top 10 spot if the draft is good enough.

[Jazzed Up]

I feel like Millsap and Utah Jazz would both benefit by trading him, he's gonna end up coming off the bench if he stays with us once Favors is more developed, and we know he doesn't want that and will most likely lose his will to play hard if this were to happen so for his sake and ours we should get something for him while we can. And if we trade Al it HAS to be for a center, Kanter is FAR from being ready to be our starting center, and I really can't think of any available centers that are an equal or better than Big Al that belong to teams that would be willing to trade with us right now unless we give up a lot of stuff that we dont need to for a trade that really isn't worth it just to get a minor upgrade from Al. He really isn't THAT bad... IMO

[Dry Fly]

BTW, they are likely not gonna do a youth movement next year.

I think the youth might just have something to say about that.

[babyjax13]

I just want Marvin gone; after CJ he seems great, but the truth is that he is a horrible, horrible starting small forward.

[RyanStorm]

I read about Raptor's Bargs, he is a Center, slightly cheaper, and supposedly on a trading block. They also have Lowry, who would make a great bench PG.

Al is suppose to be so great, but I don't know if his system works perfect with Jazz basketball. Kanter is a Sophmore, with only his rookie year under his belt, so is why I think the rookie movement will wait on him.

If Al could just defend like more Centers do and be more of a team player, then I would say keep him. I watched Memphis and Golden State play, and a lot of their game is solidified in David Lee and Marc Gasol. Watching them play each other last night was amazing, and makes me really with Al could do more besides make points.

[Neon Black]

Well the jazz will very likely and predictabily do nothing except for mabey a small trade if the oppurtunity presents itself. Dennis Lindsey even said in his recent hoopworld interview that he likes where the team is at in terms of competiting for playoff spot, wants to see what this team can do in the long stretch this time around, like all of there guys and are not looking to make any moves which include adding free agents and d-league call ups (outside of murphy of course).

So to the dissapointment of jazz fans across the globe, they will do nothing again. BTW, they are likely not gonna do a youth movement next year. I can tell by lindsey's demenor that they will most likely try to bring in more vets next year including bringing back big AL depending on how much he ask for(if not then millsap will be back or mabey both) so they can make another playoff run. Then they will just let the young guys (and the incoming young guys since we will have 2 1st rounders this draft) try to earn their playing time and spot on the team.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-pm-utah-jazz-standing-pat/

Literally no where did Lindsey say anything to imply they aren't considering or open to trade scenarios. He said "we're competitive". That's it. It blows my mind how fans still take everything at face value...come on, we all know Lindsey and KOC and everyone else will never leak a drop of information.

That doesn't mean nothing is going on. If they can't find a valuable trade, then we probably won't see a move. Aside from that I don't have much of a reason to doubt Lindsey's track record.

[Neon Black]

I read about Raptor's Bargs, he is a Center, slightly cheaper, and supposedly on a trading block. They also have Lowry, who would make a great bench PG.

Al is suppose to be so great, but I don't know if his system works perfect with Jazz basketball. Kanter is a Sophmore, with only his rookie year under his belt, so is why I think the rookie movement will wait on him.

If Al could just defend like more Centers do and be more of a team player, then I would say keep him. I watched Memphis and Golden State play, and a lot of their game is solidified in David Lee and Marc Gasol. Watching them play each other last night was amazing, and makes me really with Al could do more besides make points.

Dude, Lowry is a starting PG in the NBA. And I disagree so, so much with your assessment that Millsap said he wants out of Utah.

[reapaman]

Literally no where did Lindsey say anything to imply they aren't considering or open to trade scenarios. He said "we're competitive". That's it. It blows my mind how fans still take everything at face value...come on, we all know Lindsey and KOC and everyone else will never leak a drop of information.

That doesn't mean nothing is going on. If they can't find a valuable trade, then we probably won't see a move. Aside from that I don't have much of a reason to doubt Lindsey's track record.

I said they would pull a trade if an oppurtunity presents itself which will very likely be a trade that helps us "win now". The point was that no one should get their hopes up that any vets will be traded or any moves to improve us beyond this season will be made. Trading vets like jefferson and Millsap doesn't help us win now unless you get another equal or better vet back which is highly unlikely.

Plus what do you mean his "track record"? He comes from an organization that rarely does anything at the trade deadline. Koc rarely does anything at the trade deadline but cut salary. The FO "track record" indicates they will do nothing towards the future. The FO said they wanted to "win now" has hasn't indicated they have changed that stance. He likes that we are competitive looks like he wants to stay that way. I mean thats why they picked this guy versus a guy similar to rich cho who would blow this team up. He also said that the jazz already have 15 guys and not looking to sign any current free agents except for emergency purposes then said the team had some setbacks but they are happy where they are. Believe me that means their not gonna do much if anything at all unless a unforseen oppurtuntity presents itself but don't hold your breath on that.

[eLo]

probably many of you guys will disagree but i think we should make a deal in which for some really good pg and solid backup pf, we would send Al or Sap + Fav or Enes. This way we would find much more buyers and we would not stay with two unexperienced players at 4/5 spots.

[RyanStorm]

Lowry is bench PG for Raptors. With Mo, we would probably do the same thing. Jazz don't need a starting PG like some people would want you to think. We need a replacement for Watson. With Mo out, our bench doesn't have Tinsley to lead them, which I think is perfect. An elder guiding a bunch of 1st and 2nd year young bloods....but an elder who can actually play basketball....


Millsap was pushing for a contract extension during the Summer, he kept saying oh I can't wait to play for the Jazz if only they would offer me an extension. Finally Jazz bring him the MAX amount of money we can offer, and guess what he does...

I mean what part of, I rather just seek my options in FA, ie, I am sure I can make more money as a Free Agent, did not make sense. Thanks for raising me, but I am old enough to walk away now, good luck next year. This is pretty much what is happening. Which is why Millsaps performance dipped hardcore after he denied the contract.

[qman]

Lowry is bench PG for Raptors. With Mo, we would probably do the same thing. Jazz don't need a starting PG like some people would want you to think. We need a replacement for Watson. With Mo out, our bench doesn't have Tinsley to lead them, which I think is perfect. An elder guiding a bunch of 1st and 2nd year young bloods....but an elder who can actually play basketball....


Millsap was pushing for a contract extension during the Summer, he kept saying oh I can't wait to play for the Jazz if only they would offer me an extension. Finally Jazz bring him the MAX amount of money we can offer, and guess what he does...

I mean what part of, I rather just seek my options in FA, ie, I am sure I can make more money as a Free Agent, did not make sense. Thanks for raising me, but I am old enough to walk away now, good luck next year. This is pretty much what is happening. Which is why Millsaps performance dipped hardcore after he denied the contract.

It is all what you value.

Lowry is a very strong, tough PG. He is a good rebounder and a inconsistent shooter. Personally I like him more than Mo because of defense and aggressive driving tendencies.

[Neon Black]

Lowry is so much better than Mo. He is coming off of an injury - that's why he's coming off the bench. He is a top 10 PG.

Reapaman, Dennis Lindsey's "track record" is to make the RIGHT move. So no, if there is nothing out there to make our team better now or in The future (valuable draft picks and promising players) i agree that a move will not be made. What's so bad about that?

[RyanStorm]

Well that is all just fine...I mean just because your not starter doesn't mean we can't split them both with 24 minutes, or give one more minutes depending on the game. Its the one position we should have two greats at. If we did get him, Jazz would probably start him.

I have watched lowry play and he is good, but mo is also good at things. I think Jazz plan to get a PG in the draft.

There are two good PG's that Jazz could get in the draft...Carter-Williams or CJ McCollum. This sounds better to me, cause we got two 1st round picks, and both are likely not to be pick by round 15. Leaving our current 24th pick for another new guy. Like Trey Burke, and Bj Young, who are other prospects that we might get with our 24th pick, leaving us to pick a shooter or a big for the 15th(or whatever it is by the end of the year).

[RyanStorm]

Actually, if a good trade came up, I would like to get Lowry.

Here is my trade machine make..I would want to get Lowry for a guy who we don't really need, and then I found the best replacement if were to trade Paul.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=a5f49dr

[kamazilla]

I read about Raptor's Bargs, he is a Center, slightly cheaper, and supposedly on a trading block. They also have Lowry, who would make a great bench PG.

Al is suppose to be so great, but I don't know if his system works perfect with Jazz basketball. Kanter is a Sophmore, with only his rookie year under his belt, so is why I think the rookie movement will wait on him.

If Al could just defend like more Centers do and be more of a team player, then I would say keep him. I watched Memphis and Golden State play, and a lot of their game is solidified in David Lee and Marc Gasol. Watching them play each other last night was amazing, and makes me really with Al could do more besides make points.

Dude, Lowry is a starting PG in the NBA. And I disagree so, so much with your assessment that Millsap said he wants out of Utah.

+1

Millsap never said that at all. The terms of the CBA dictate the amount a team can increase salary in a contract extension based on the player's current salary. The Jazz, due to these contractual restrictions, were allowed to offer a maximum extension to Millsap of under $9M per season, which they did.

The Jazz offered the maximum contract amount they were allowed to tender, which Millsap smartly declined. He stated, or perhaps it was his agent, that he would become a free agent this summer and allow the market to determine his value... which incidentally has been the Jazz philosophy regarding their own free agents ever since KOC became GM.

I personally don't mind seeing anyone at starter position leaving if we get some draft picks. All our greats were draft picks, Malone and Stockton, 13th and 16th overall, Mark Eaton, 72nd. So we don't exactly need top 10 spot if the draft is good enough.

Here is an abbreviated list of notable players to have played in Utah who WERE NOT acquired via the draft:

Pete Maravich
Adrian Dantley
Jeff Hornacek
Carlos Boozer
Mehmet Okur
Jeff Malone
Ricky Green

Furthermore, the law of averages dictates that a player who is proven to have played at a consistently high level against the top competition in the world has a better chance of continued success than a player who has never been tested at that level. Not only that, but acquiring a pick from a team like the Wizards might not result in the pick actually being transferred for several seasons, and by the time it does, it may land outside the lottery.

Letting go of a known commodity for a chance of something better materializing from the misty ether of potential is more often a losing proposition than not. Worse, taking on bloated contracts which hamstring the personnel flexibility of the franchise in order to acquire an unknown commodity is simply doubling down on an already bad bet.

[erudite23]

This thread is a train wreck.




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