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You, the Head Coach of the Phoenix Suns 

Post#1 » by DRK » Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:15 pm

You have just been hired as the Head Coach of the Phoenix Suns. Your job is to do everytihng you can to fix this team, without the FO making any moves. (Sorry tankers, but the coach is actually trying to win here)


This thread allows those fans of the X's, and O's to post what they would do if they were the Head Coach of the Phoenix Suns, and was given the job to lead this roster. (No trades etc.) How would you set your lineups? What kind of offence would you run? Defensive schemes? Who will be your go-to-man? etc. etc.

Feedback on each other's ideas would be nice. Both positive and negative.

I'll go first.

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Lineups


Starting Unit
Dragic
Johnson
Dudley
Beasley
Gortat

[b]Bench[/b]
Telfair/Marshall
Brown
PJ
Morris/Scola
O'Neal


Offence

Starters
My offensive philosophy is to utilise the art of screening. Whether it be setting a screen to initiate a Pick and roll play, or screening off the ball to free up an open shot

Our go-to play would be the pick and roll. Dragic's job as the ball handler is to attack the screen. By using the screen he has three options, take the shot himself if he is open, find an open three point shooter in Dudley, Johnson or Beasley, or feed it to the rolling Gortat/Beasley. It really is that simple. Here I am giving Johnson heavy minutes due primarily to his three point shooting ability, which no one can deny that he has. Both Wes and Dudley would be stationed in the corner when we run this play, so when the defence collapses, they would have easy shots if Dragic decides to pass it.

Our secondary go-to play would be run for Michael Beasley. I am willing to give Beasley a chance here to prove himself as a starter, by playing him as a four. However, his role in the offence is more suited to the three, but whatever. By utilising the off ball screens on the weak side, or even as an extension of the pick and roll, the offence would aim to find Beasley cutting to the basket for lay-ups, or curling off screens for jumpshots, much the play designed for Michael Redd when he was with us. ( See 0:16 in the video below)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t50z2sEMcLM[/youtube]

We also would have a few post-up plays for Gortat run if neccesary.

Bench
Unfortunatly for me as Coach (wink), our bench is probably the most Offensively challenged bench in the whole NBA. Still, it is still my Job to try and get some life out of this bottomless pit of a bench.

Basically our bench unit would be based around a similar system to the Princeton Offence - a myriad of off-ball movement, and a high volume of passes. By continuour ovement of the players, we are able to create alot of passing options OUT of the low block, which would be our first target via and entry form the wing.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9WZoTYdsQE[/youtube]
In this video, O'Neal would play Ernie Johnson's role, Telfair Jordan's, and Brown Eric Snow's.
The play show in this video would be our primarily used play.



Defence

More to come another day when I can be bothered.


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Post#2 » by Sun Scorched » Fri Jan 11, 2013 4:17 pm

My approach:

Depth Chart
PG - Dragic (36) / Marshall (12)
SG - Tucker (32) / Brown (16)
SF - Dudley (36) / Beasley (12)
PF - Scola (32) / Morris (16)
C - Gortat (36) / O'Neal (12)

The only caveat here is that I'm less committed to the Beasley/Morris minute distribution. I think that could change depending on what I was seeing in practice.

The team goal? MOVEMENT.

On Offense
Everyone should be moving at all times. I want on-ball and off-ball screens constantly. I agree with DRK when is comes to picks/screens, but I would have Tucker and Dudley running off screens for the potential catch-and-shoot three. Let's make this simple - I wan't 90% of our shots to be threes and layups. No long twos anymore unless Scola or Gortat have an open jumper at the elbow. From now on, we're going to take the two highest percentage shots - shots that also happen to be the highest offensively rebounded. We're going to play smart, efficient basketball. Four extra points off of offensive rebounds and four more points because we didn't settle for a long two gives us eight extra points - enough to win some games if we're smart.

That's it. MOVEMENT which leads to efficient scoring opportunities. MOVEMENT which leads to offensive rebounds and more scoring opportunities.

Dragic - coordinates the offense. I want him slashing, dishing and proding the defense. He's one of the quickest guards in the league and it's time we use that. I think most of our play calls are designed historically around Nash, which was fine, but it didn't incorporate any of the atheleticsm that Dragic possesses. His main offensive partner? Scola.

Tucker - he lives in the corner. He will be involved in some off-ball screens, but as our 5th option in the starting line-up, his main role will be owning the most efficient 3pt shot available. I imagine him in the right corner, paired with Gortat in the right low block for screens, etc.

Dudley - He starts and live in the high left arc - a shot he's good at. When it comes to screen, his partner is Scola, who lives in the right elbow.

Note: This means that we have the ability to shoot threes, run the PNR, or hammer it down low from two distinct directions. All missed shots from these directions will most commonly bounce towards the opposing side, giving that "team" the ability for an offensive rebound. Dragic will interlope - having the ability to run to where ever the defense gives him.

Scola - Our #1 offensive option. He's paired with Dudley in the high left post and these two give us some high precentage basketball. He runs screens with Dudley constantly - the constant screening is to make the defense work harder to stay on their man - in the event of a zone, we bust it.

Gortat - Our #2 offensive option. (You should notice a theme, our top two offensive options also happen to be our highest percentage shooters - they would also be the closest to the basket after the shot for rebounding). Gortat lives in the right low block. Any help defense off of Marcin for a driving Dragic are a PNR Dudley/Scola leaves the big guy open for a simple pass and dunk from the backside. His partner, Tucker, will benefit from Gortat drawing any doubles down-low, as he sits camped in the corner for a wide open three.

The Bench
Marshall is not allowed to shoot. Brown and Beasley are not allowed to handle the ball for more than 4 seconds. We're going to practice the crap out of this. Majerle will have a whistle which he blow in the face of Brown and/or Beasley if they violate our 4 second rule in practice. Don't have a shot in 4 seconds? Pass it back to Marshall. The only thing I can think to do for these guys and our bench.
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Post#3 » by rsavaj » Fri Jan 11, 2013 4:48 pm

I would resign immediately, in protest of the absolutely crap roster my FO provided.

Edit: Timely thread to go with a timely article: http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2013/ ... -rotations
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Post#4 » by NiGhtWiSh » Fri Jan 11, 2013 6:43 pm

Shortly:

Depth Chart
PG – Telfair (30) / Marshall (18)
SG – Dragić (20) / Brown (20)
SF - Dudley (24) / Tucker (24)
PF - Scola (33) / Morris (23)
C - Gortat (38) / O'Neal (10)

Goal: Win as many games as possible.

Tactics: Inside & outside, post, low post screen, motion, PG iso.
Offence centered under basket and in corners; kickout the ball when doubleteamed. 2nd way – PG-drive, 3rd way – motion with screen-shooting. More foulline points, less perimeter bombarding.

D: half court press, close endline & double team, box & 1 zone.

Dragić to SG – a) I don’t trust Euro-PG in the NBA; b) the only thing he’s doing well is 3pt shoot. So let be it; c) in D, he’s a better matchup for opponent’s SG then PG.

Go to guy: Scola
2nd O option: Gortat
3rd O option: Telfair
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Post#5 » by MathiasPW » Fri Jan 11, 2013 8:54 pm

Anyone giving more than 1 mpg to Brown should be banned from this forum.

PG – Dragic (20) / Telfair (14)/ Marshall (14)
SG – Tucker (20) / Dragic (20)/Johnson (8)
SF - Dudley (36) / Tucker (12)
PF - Scola (30) / Morris (12)/Beasley (6)
C - Gortat (36) / O'Neal (8)/ Morris (4)

No clue how it'd work, but it works.
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Post#6 » by sunskerr » Sat Jan 12, 2013 1:18 am

Hmm...let's see:

I would use a rotation of

PG- Dragic (30) / Telfair (10) / Marshall (8)
SG- Tucker (24) / Brown (14)/ Dragic (6) / Johnson (4)
SF- Dudley (34) / Beasley (10)/ Tucker (4)
PF- Scola (28) / Morris (20)
C - Gortat (34) / O'Neal (14)

That would give our young guys like Marshall, Beasley and Morris some minutes to play and develop. What I do see happening however is that Beasley, as the weakest link, would cede minutes to Tucker, Morris and even Johnson or the lowly Shannon Brown. Telfair and Marshall (while Marshall does get PT to develop) are literally there just to give Dragic a rest, as he gets his 36~38 mpg. I'd also like to see what Dragic can do at the 2 guard as well.

Our #1 play is running at every opportunity, to try and mask our shortcomings (like a dynamic scoring wing). We'll use our shooting in Dudley and Dragic (and hopefully Tucker) and Gortat trailing on the break. Athleticism off the bench such as Brown and Morris will get easy points if the break is run well. I think Marshall will like this system a lot as well with his passing ability. It comes down to how Dragic works the ball...and since he's not as good as Nash at finding guys, we'll probably find ourselves in the half court more often than not as he looks for another opportunity.

Therefore our #2 is Dragic/Gortat pick and roll (or pop). PnR was our bread and butter while Nash was here and it's great for teams that don't have Nash either (i.e. 29 other teams). Gortat sets a high screen which will help Dragic (already an athletic player with good footwork in the post) get in the paint. Gortat rolls or stays in the mid range area. Shooters like Dudley spread the floor to provide the spacing we need to operate effectively. There are a lot of options you can create with the simple pick and roll. Other screens will be used to get players open on the perimeter or easy cuts to the basket as the defense reacts to the initial screen.

As a final play I would utilize Scola, Gortat and O'Neal in post up situations. It's basic stuff but I think with our skilled big men we can pull it off well. We just need good ball movement along the perimeter as Gortat, Scola or O'Neal fight and establish position inside to create a good entry pass opportunity. From there we'll use the fake hand off to a cutter or a three point shooter to provide the room necessary to go to work.

A big thing though is trying to find Beasley the minutes at PF. With Scola and Morris (whom are clearly better players) it will be extremely tough. But if he's on the floor with a stretch like Morris then he can operate as our power forward. I wouldn't want him playing ISO ball but rather scoring off open looks. Sorry if "scoring off open looks" was vague but it's hard to take advantage of Beasley's skill set when it's detrimental to the team.
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Post#7 » by Kerrsed » Sat Jan 12, 2013 4:36 am

PG – Telfair (30+) / Marshall (18)
SG – Dragić (35+) / Brown (10)
SF - Tucker (24) / Dudley (24)
PF - Scola (33) / Morris (23)
C - Gortat (30+) / O'Neal (18)
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Post#8 » by bigfoot » Sat Jan 12, 2013 6:02 am

Very simply I would focus the team on defense and creating scoring opportunities off of turnovers.

C: O'Neal (32) Gortat (16)
PF: Scola (38) Morris (10)
SF: Dudley (40) Johnson (8)
SG: Tucker (40) Dragic (8)
PG: Dragic (32) Marshall (16)

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Post#9 » by thamadkant » Sat Jan 12, 2013 7:32 am

PG: Marshall (30 mins) / Telfair (12 mins) / Dragic (6 mins)
SG: Dragic (24 mins) / Brown (12 mins) / Dudley (6 mins) / Tucker (6 mins)
SF: Dudley (24 mins) / Beasley (12 mins) / Tucker (12 mins)
PF: Morris (24 mins) / Beasley (12 mins) / Scola (12 mins)
C: Gortat (32 mins) / O'Neal (12 mins) / Scola (4 mins)

Develop Marshall as PG win or lose....
Push Dragic as combo PG/SG...
Morris starts and gets as much opportunities as scorer when on...
Use O'Neal and Scola as leaders and mentors.... make them available to contenders as show of respect.
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Post#10 » by NaturalBuns » Sat Jan 12, 2013 7:48 am

I would give Marshall & Johnson way more mins. Even consider Johnson some starter mins. Johnson is in contract year and we need to find out if hes more suited then Brown on who we have team option on. If we don't play Johnson some serious mins then what is the point of resigning him. Now if ive BEEN Head coach on that team example: (Gentry) i can see why he doesn't play marshall or johnson. Few factors your trying to trade the talent you have for picks or assets. Not playing them either downgrades their value or shows they aren't good enough to play or w/e the reason it will make other owners avoid them. Not only that if your gentry then the players can start to turn against you when you turn your back on them. Which can get you fired when your losing. Gentry is in a really bad situation unless the front office has promised him he will return next year idk what he can do WITHOUT making the wrong move. all sides have a negative. If he is promised his job he should look towards marshall and Johnson.
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Post#11 » by Dragic13 » Sat Jan 12, 2013 7:49 am

I would make a starting core of:

PG- Brown
SG- Marshall
SF- Beasley

The offense would basically be either Brown or Beasley bring the ball up the court dribble out the clock and then put up a contested shot. If they ever run out the clock and need to be bailed out for a last second shot they can pass it out to Marshall for three.

Defense? We wouldnt play any. Straight up 2k13 style. Its boring, let the other team score so we can dribble around the court again.

On a more serious note....

This is what I would do:

Telfair/Marshall
Dragic/Tucker
Dudley/Johnson
Scola/Morris
Gortat/O'Neal
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Post#12 » by rsavaj » Sat Jan 12, 2013 4:20 pm

NaturalBuns wrote:I would give Marshall & Johnson way more mins. Even consider Johnson some starter mins. Johnson is in contract year and we need to find out if hes more suited then Brown on who we have team option on. If we don't play Johnson some serious mins then what is the point of resigning him. Now if ive BEEN Head coach on that team example: (Gentry) i can see why he doesn't play marshall or johnson. Few factors your trying to trade the talent you have for picks or assets. Not playing them either downgrades their value or shows they aren't good enough to play or w/e the reason it will make other owners avoid them. Not only that if your gentry then the players can start to turn against you when you turn your back on them. Which can get you fired when your losing. Gentry is in a really bad situation unless the front office has promised him he will return next year idk what he can do WITHOUT making the wrong move. all sides have a negative. If he is promised his job he should look towards marshall and Johnson.


We're not going to re-sign Johnson. He was basically a throw-in to make salaries match.
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Post#13 » by NaturalBuns » Sat Jan 12, 2013 10:48 pm

I agree im just saying
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Post#14 » by amares goggles » Sun Jan 13, 2013 10:58 pm

rsavaj wrote:I would resign immediately, in protest of the absolutely crap roster my FO provided.

Edit: Timely thread to go with a timely article: http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2013/ ... -rotations

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Post#15 » by DRK » Sun Feb 10, 2013 3:17 pm

A bit off-topic, but this about the X's and O's of basketball, so I thought it would belong.

Can someone tell me what the hell Jermaine O'Neal is doing defensively on this play?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hfAY12c7dw[/youtube]

What is the point of covering the middle? Is he trying to hedge? Did Hasheem Thabeet suddenly turn into Channing Frye? Is he switching on the non-existent Pick and Roll?

Beasley's defence wasn't great here either, but Jermaine O'Neal just looks lost.

I just puked out my cereal watching this.
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Post#16 » by RunDogGun » Sun Feb 10, 2013 7:01 pm

He gambled, thinking KD would go to the inside. But I liked the moving pick by Thabeet.
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Post#17 » by DRK » Thu Feb 14, 2013 3:07 pm

[youtube]www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaVMZo5YxhI[/youtube]

I know I've posted this video about 1000 times on this board, but I cant help noticing the role Dragic is playing here.

He is constantly attacking off the screen, keeping his dribble, and penetrating.

This is what is so INFURIATING for me as a fan to see Dragic walk the ball up the court and pass it to the wing,then watch as our Suns run a slow post up play through Scola or Gortat, which leads to a turnover.

Use the screen Dragic, penetrate (EVERY TIME), and find the shooters. Big men if you're setting a screen, roll hard to the basket to provide an option.

If I have to watch the Suns run another failed post-up with Gortat fluffing a lay-up, l or Jermaine shooting a turnaround 15 footer, I think I might castrate myself.

I hate to use capitals when I post, but as a fan, there is no other way I can express my sheer frustration over watching the piece of **** offence.
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Post#18 » by rsavaj » Thu Feb 14, 2013 3:31 pm

Well Hunter said he wanted to run the offense through Scola at the elbow so we'll see that a lot more
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Post#19 » by DRK » Fri Feb 15, 2013 2:18 pm

Well I'll be damned.
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