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GT#35: Phoenix @ Brooklyn - 1/11 - 7:30pm on YES

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Re: GT#35: Phoenix @ Brooklyn - 1/11 - 7:30pm on YES 

Post#201 » by NyCeEvO » Sat Jan 12, 2013 5:06 pm

therealbig3 wrote:A concerning stat for D-Will though:

81% of his FGA are jumpers, while he was never over 70% any time from 08-10 with the Jazz. Only 17% of his FGA are at the rim, while he was 30+% with the Jazz.

Can you run a split between the games coached by Avery and the games coached by PJ and see if there's a difference?

Also, idc if what % of his FGA are jumpers if his FG% is high lol.
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Re: GT#35: Phoenix @ Brooklyn - 1/11 - 7:30pm on YES 

Post#202 » by therealbig3 » Sat Jan 12, 2013 5:09 pm

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therealbig3 wrote:A concerning stat for D-Will though:

81% of his FGA are jumpers, while he was never over 70% any time from 08-10 with the Jazz. Only 17% of his FGA are at the rim, while he was 30+% with the Jazz.

Can you run a split between the games coached by Avery and the games coached by PJ and see if there's a difference?

Also, idc if what % of his FGA are jumpers if his FG% is high lol.


Not really sure how to do that, I know vc4p brought this stat up before, and said he was at 82% at one point, so he must be attacking the rim more lately, since it dropped to 81%.
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Re: GT#35: Phoenix @ Brooklyn - 1/11 - 7:30pm on YES 

Post#203 » by NyCeEvO » Sat Jan 12, 2013 5:11 pm

Hmmm...I'll check it out and see if I can find it.
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Re: GT#35: Phoenix @ Brooklyn - 1/11 - 7:30pm on YES 

Post#204 » by vincecarter4pres » Sat Jan 12, 2013 5:19 pm

He was at 82% on Christmas Eve.

Difference would be quite small, pretty negligible in fact for it to only come down 1% after another 11 games, unless it had jacked up to like 84% by the finish of the Milwaukee game before Avery was fired.

I'm sure there are shot charts in the advanced box scores on bballref dot com, I'd guess you'd have to go game by game adding everything up. I might do it if I'm super bored later.

This is why I wish they'd do advanced splits, shot charts splits and per36 splits. I wrote a few emails and Tweeted them over the last 3 years about it and they never even bothered responding to me about it.

Ron and me were talking about doing that on Hoop Focus before it went belly up.
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Re: GT#35: Phoenix @ Brooklyn - 1/11 - 7:30pm on YES 

Post#205 » by therealbig3 » Sat Jan 12, 2013 5:37 pm

Yeah, they do have shot charts for each player on bbref, don't have shot types, but can look at how many shots he's taking in the paint vs how many outside of the paint, and at what distance he's shooting. Since PJ took over:

62 shots have been outside of the paint, 33 shots have been inside the paint. That's 65% outside the paint, 35% inside the paint.

That is skewed a little though, because in the last two games, he's been on fire with his jumper, and he's only taken 1 shot in the paint, vs 15 outside the paint (against Philadelphia and Phoenix). Before those two games, his ratio was 59:41.

No doubt, some of those shots in the paint are "jumpers", but if he's taking them only 8-10 feet away, that's a much higher percentage look than 16-23 feet away, and taking more shot attempts inside is the general trend we want to be seeing, and it looks like he's doing that.
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Re: GT#35: Phoenix @ Brooklyn - 1/11 - 7:30pm on YES 

Post#206 » by NyCeEvO » Sat Jan 12, 2013 5:52 pm

According to HoopData, through the first 30 games D-Will played in (he missed the 12/26 game) he is shooting 1.8/2.6 AtRim FGM/FGA, which is 67.1%. (AtRim distance is anything 3 feet and closer)

His total FGApg is 13.7.

2.6/13.7 = 18.978% (of his attempts are at the rim)

Therefore, 81.122% of his attempts are 3ft and further out.
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He's actually shooting the best FG% of his career At Rim and 3-9ft.
Again, he's making 67.1% of his AtRim attempts.

3-9ft, He's averaging 0.6/1.2 for 51.4%

10-15ft, he's averaging 0.3/1.0 for 34.5% (but he doesn't take this shot many times so it doesn't really matter)

Where's he killing himself is 16ft and further.

16-23ft, he's averaging 1.2/3.0 for 38.0%
Threes, he's averaging 1.7/5.5 for 30.9%
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Even though D-Will is shooting has career highs for AtRim and 3-9ft FG%, he's not taking it to the rim as often as he used to.

In fact there's been a steady decline for his AtRim FGM/FGA since his 2nd year.

07: 2.3/4.2
08: 3.3/5.2
09: 3.0/4.9
10: 2.6/4.2
11: 2.7/4.3 (w/Jazz)
11: 2.0/3.8 (w/Nets)
12: 2.2/3.9
13: 1.8/2.6

It's quite obvious that he's not attacking the rim as much and is steadily been going down.

What has been going up are his 3PA.

He's compensating for going to the rim by shooting more threes and it's hurting his overall game.

Believe it or not, through 33 games CP3 is averages a tad less FGA AtRim than D-Will.

CP3 is 1.7/2.5 for 68.3%.

But he shoots the 3 way less than D-Will. (CP3: 1.1/3.3, D-Will: 1.7/5.5)
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Re: GT#35: Phoenix @ Brooklyn - 1/11 - 7:30pm on YES 

Post#207 » by vincecarter4pres » Sat Jan 12, 2013 6:09 pm

Interesting stuff.
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Re: GT#35: Phoenix @ Brooklyn - 1/11 - 7:30pm on YES 

Post#208 » by NyCeEvO » Sat Jan 12, 2013 6:09 pm

Oh, and since we're on the subject....

AtRim FGM/FGA = FG% for the league's top scorers and our Nets SGs:

LBJ: 5.2/6.9 = 76.2%
KD: 3.8/5.1 = 74.5%
Kobe: 3.8/5.3 = 70.9%
Melo: 3.7/6.7 = 55.1%

JJ: 0.6/1.2 = 47.4%
MarShon: 1.0/1.3 = 76.7%
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In conclusion:

1) The best scorers in the game really attack the rim (which matters a lot in playoffs when the pace is slower)

2) MarShon averages more attempts at rim than JJ even though JJ averages double the minutes MarShon is in.

3) MarShon has the highest AtRim FG% out of all of these elite scorers. Therefore, MarShon is DA GAWD!!
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Re: GT#35: Phoenix @ Brooklyn - 1/11 - 7:30pm on YES 

Post#209 » by MGrand15 » Sat Jan 12, 2013 9:19 pm

Watch out NyCe, you're going to get flamed by the people who ignore stats and can't stand Marshon because he knows how to dribble.

On to the team - it's nice to see us blowing teams out under PJ. With Avery we played at such a slow pace, it was impossible to blow teams out. We actually only had 1 win over 14 points with Avery and we already have something like 5 with PJ. It's no coincidence. Good teams beat weak teams by a lot.
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Re: GT#35: Phoenix @ Brooklyn - 1/11 - 7:30pm on YES 

Post#210 » by SpeedyG » Sat Jan 12, 2013 9:21 pm

NyCeEvO wrote:Oh, and since we're on the subject....

AtRim FGM/FGA = FG% for the league's top scorers and our Nets SGs:

LBJ: 5.2/6.9 = 76.2%
KD: 3.8/5.1 = 74.5%
Kobe: 3.8/5.3 = 70.9%
Melo: 3.7/6.7 = 55.1%

JJ: 0.6/1.2 = 47.4%
MarShon: 1.0/1.3 = 76.7%
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In conclusion:

1) The best scorers in the game really attack the rim (which matters a lot in playoffs when the pace is slower)

2) MarShon averages more attempts at rim than JJ even though JJ averages double the minutes MarShon is in.

3) MarShon has the highest AtRim FG% out of all of these elite scorers. Therefore, MarShon is DA GAWD!!


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