Free Agent Watch List

[reapaman]

For fun, I think we should create a list at every position of free agents that would be good options for us. Despite the lack of big name guys, there are a good amount of nice pickups to be had and potential bargain prices. We can update the list as time goes on but heres a few options:

Corey Brewer SF UFA 23 mpg / 11.4 ppg/ 1.2 spg / 3.4 rpg / 43% FG / 34% 3P / PER: 15 - Is very good at guarding guys off of screens and staying infront of speeding guards which no one on the current roster can do well. Meanwhile he plays with high energy, is a nice 3 point shooter, can slash and cut very well and is a good locker room guy. The nuggets likely will have a hard time re-signing him after all the money they gave away already. We could use him badly and would be a much needed upgrade at wing off the bench or mabey fringe starter.

Patty Mills PG Player Option 11.2 mpg/ 5.2 ppg / 49% FG / 43% 3P / PER: 14.1 - Mabey not the best option at pg but the guy is still young, knows his role, can spread the floor and can handle himself defensively. Still adjusting to his new role with the spurs but when he get enough time, he has been known to produce. If the jazz choose not to go the typical pg route, he could be an option.

Brandan Wright PF UFA 16.9 mpg/ 8 ppg / 3.1 rpg / 1 BPG / PER: 21.6 - Has been very productive and has shown great improvement although he needs to rebound better. Likely to be a backup that could go under the radar and be had for a reasonable price.

[Inigo Montoya]

just to save us all some time, here is a list of all FA's and RFA's:

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/FreeAgents-12-13/nba-free-agents-2012-2013

regarding the names mentioned - i don't see them making us better, just staying as we are now pretty much. they are all role players, and we got plenty of those. we are currently a team made ENTIRELY of role players, or very close to being that. i don't think bringing more of them is going to make a big difference.

[reapaman]

just to save us all some time, here is a list of all FA's and RFA's:

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/FreeAgents-12-13/nba-free-agents-2012-2013

regarding the names mentioned - i don't see them making us better, just staying as we are now pretty much. they are all role players, and we got plenty of those. we are currently a team made ENTIRELY of role players, or very close to being that. i don't think bringing more of them is going to make a big difference.

Its a watch list based on guys we mabey really interested in, I didn't wanna list everyone

And you have the wrong line of thinking. Besides paul george and mabey West and Hibbert (although he's not playing well), Indiana is full of role players yet they are way better then us. Favors will be better than Hibbert, Jefferson is better than west and I'm sure we can aquire two or 3 players with georges level of talent (or somewhere around his level) by using our current assets. We can put together a core thats much better than indiana's but we gotta have the right role players around them and as it been mentioned by many people, our role players don't fit and the new guys brought in didn't cover any of our real weakneses (they actually created new ones). You know how big Korver was for those deron and boozer teams, the right guys can make a huge difference and the wrong ones just make you more medicore. BTW I know people are gonna say Vogels much better than Corbin but remember people hated Vogel until he started winning alot so you never know.

I mean we can dream of getting durant or signing Dwight but thats probley not gonna happen. We need to work with what we got and besides tyreke and Jennings, not many guys with tons of upside. We gotta do something with the cap room and getting the right guys on the right contract is the best thing we can do now.

[Inigo Montoya]

And you have the wrong line of thinking. Besides paul george and mabey West and Hibbert (although he's not playing well), Indiana is full of role players yet they are way better then us

well, besides lebron, wade and maybe bosh, miami is full of role players too... besides durant, westbrook and maybe ibaka, OKC is full of roll players too. and on and on. you either got star players or you don't. bringing up indiana just hurts your case, and btw - you forgot granger.

we are playing in the west. indiana is playing in the east. their schedule and games are way easier than ours. they are better, but they aren't way better.

I'm sure we can aquire two or 3 players with georges level of talent (or somewhere around his level) by using our current assets.

paul george is on his way to being an allstar. no way we can get 3 players of with his level of talent. you are underestimating him imho (unless you meant george hill?).


i don't see the point of surrounding a core of role players (until proven otherwise) with more role players. i don't see how this plan is making us a legitimate contender. i see it as perpetuating our mediocrity at the best case scenario. do you really see mills\brewer\wright (one of them, some of them or all of them) making us better? taking us to another level?

you mention how important korver was to boozer and deron. well, here is the basic failure in the logic of getting all those guys - WE HAD BOOZER AND DERON. now we don't. all the guys you mentioned need a star to play next to them to make a difference. without one their contribution is almost meaningless since they won't carry your team. if we got one, i'd consider the players you offered, depending on the roles we'll need to fill. if we don't, then i don't see what good they'll do. and i really don't want jennings or evans on the jazz, but that's just me.

i agree with you that we need to work with what we got, which is why i will be super pissed if we don't use our assets and make a trade (not for the sake of making a trade of course) or fail to bring in a substantial free agent with our cap space.

[RyanStorm]

Jazz have the most (8), FA's this year. Its hard to say your not rebuilding when you haven't secured a starter group. The only thing secure in this club is the bench, which is why so many of us want them to be starters.

Pretty much we need to figure out whether we want to trade for a new set of starters, or for new bench players. I guess you could mix and match, but I think the bench unit will probably work with each other the most, as they are all good enough to be our future players.


I don't see our current starters as going anywhere. They barely did it last year(in which I mean slipped into 8th to do absolutely nothing), and it doesn't look like they can break the 8th barrier. I just can't pick any FA, or who to trade, unless I can figure out what we actually plan on doing.

[Inigo Montoya]

I don't see our current starters as going anywhere. They barely did it last year(in which I mean slipped into 8th to do absolutely nothing), and it doesn't look like they can break the 8th barrier. I just can't pick any FA, or who to trade, unless I can figure out what we actually plan on doing.

that's sort of my point. we don't know what the plan is, so why are we targeting role players? we can get players like them at any time. especially like those suggested in the first post, whom we know will never be more than adequate role players at their very best. in my opinion, we should target impact players who make us better, not the same. we need a star, or at least a player close to it. or at least a decent PG for the long term. mills is a backup.

[FJS]

It's curious, but in that list, the best FA without Player options, ETO are Jazz men or ex Jazz men (Brewer, Korver)

Howard and Paul, of course are untouchables.

[Jazzfan12]

Corey Brewer is a pretty terrible defensive player.

And David West is arguably an elite defender (he's close to DPotY level this year based on most defensive stats) so I'm not sure you can definitely say that Al is a better player unless you don't think defense matters...

I mean:

Points per possession allowed:

West: .72
Al: .96

OPP PER:

West: 12.2
Al: 18.9

Team defensive rating with player on-court:

West: 98.5
Al: 111.9

Defensive on/off:

West: -3.7
Al: +10.9

Team defensive rank:

Pacers: 1st
Jazz: 21st


That's actually major statistical domination...

[eLo]

My list:
Calderon;JJ/KK;AK;Budinger;Turiaf;Pachulia those guys for sure, players i thin are worth a shot for low/reasonable price: Augustin;Wes Johnson;Brand;Dunleavy;Alan Anderson;Aldrich

[millslapper]

It would be great to have Jason Maxiell and Zaza Pachulia to back up our young guys, if they gonna start together next year.

Also i like the addition of Brewer and Reddick or Morrow.

I would only resign Tinsley, because he should stay in this organisation (future coaching staff).

And we have 3 draftpicks.

So

x (Draft)/Burks/Tinsley
Hayward/Reddick/Murphy
Marvin/Brewer/x (Draft)
Favors/Maxiell/Evans
Kanter/Pachulia/x (Draft)

looks great to me.

[kebutah]

The NBA is a star's league. We need a star before we select the complimentary pieces. When your team is comprised of mediocre talents you get mediocre results, like competing for the final playoff spot.

[reapaman]

Corey Brewer is a pretty terrible defensive player.

And David West is arguably an elite defender (he's close to DPotY level this year based on most defensive stats) so I'm not sure you can definitely say that Al is a better player unless you don't think defense matters...

Defensive stats are dangerous when you don't use them correctly. West is far from an elite defender and Brewer is a very good defender and most people will tell you that. The problem with defensive stats is that it largely depend on factors the individual can't control.

To explain it simply, when Jefferson is off the court that usually mean the starters are coming out and the bench will play versus another teams bench. So all his off-the court stats are heavily influenced by how our bench plays against the other teams bench. His on the court stats therefore depend on mostly what the starters do versus other starters.

Its gonna vary a little from player to player depending on how the coach do the rotation but as you see most of the guys with the worse defensive stats on our team or the starters since they are usually overall worse than other team's starters and the bench guys as a whole are better than other team's benches. If you for example swamp roles with the starters and bench players then Jefferson's defensive stats would be alot higher and the bench guys would be way lower.

So while Jefferson certainly has his issues defensively, these stats lie if you don't use them correctly and he is better than west. If you go back a few years on west back when he was on a mediocre team than you will see a drastically different picture defensively.