Trade Targets

[AntwanBoldin]

I'd rather get whatever phx was going to give up in a 3-teamer than Rudy.

[Hello Brooklyn]

At the end of the day. Memphis can get more than Gerald Wallace and his contract for Rudy Gay.

They will at least get huge expiring contracts.

[vincecarter4pres]

At the end of the day. Memphis can get more than Gerald Wallace and his contract for Rudy Gay.

They will at least get huge expiring contracts.

That really depends on how they view Wallace and MarShon Brooks and if needed a 1st round pick.

Again, a deal like this gets them right at the tax line for this season and keeps them close through his deal.

That is reportedly their main goal, avoid the tax, keep a solid starter at his position and snag a pick and/or a young talent in the deal.

And there are definitely teams that would want Wallace in a 3 team for a slightly smaller contract of a lesser but still solid small forward in all likelihood.

So is expiring contracts a better deal? Cause reportedly they aren't looking for a straight up salary dump with no assets or long term starters of worth coming back, because they have similar options already and said they aren't interested.

Reading these articles coming out in succession, the Grizzlies have some offers and have made a ton of offers, but most anything they're receiving is not giving them the value they thought they could get.

All it takes is one team, but the chances a team offer them an unprotected high lotto pick and a starter or anything like that are slim.

An interesting deal if Boston was interested would be Paul Pierce and a 1st and/or Sullinger or Fab Melo for him. They suck it up and eat the tax hit this year but contend for real this season then buyout Pierce for $5 million next season while keeping the 1st and/or prospect.

[NyCeEvO]

That all depends on what MEM is actually trying to do.

If they're just trying to clear cap just to clear cap then yes, they can get expiring contracts and the aforementioned deal wouldn't appeal to them.

But if they're just trying to get below LT but still put out a good product (which is what is being reported), then I think a Wallace/Brooks base package would be intriguing to them.

Most franchises are enamored with Brooks potential. He's not a small throw-in to a deal.

Having Wallace a solid vet SF(who's much cheaper than Gay) and having MarShon and seeing if he can reach his potential as a 6th man is a strong base package.

Just because most of us hate MarShon does not mean that other teams don't like him. Look at how many players with great potential (but who ultimately pan out to be nothing) have been bounced around the league with each team that acquires them thinking "We can make him into a good player" (e.g. Beasley, Anthony Randolph, etc.)

If MEM wants to remain competitive but get close to or under the LT level, the Wallace/Brooks base package is pretty good.

If they're just trying to completely clear cap, then it wouldn't make sense.

EDIT: I did not see VC4P's post before I wrote this

[N Ireland Nets]

That all depends on what MEM is actually trying to do.

If they're just trying to clear cap just to clear cap then yes, they can get expiring contracts and the aforementioned deal wouldn't appeal to them.

But if they're just trying to get below LT but still put out a good product (which is what is being reported), then I think a Wallace/Brooks base package would be intriguing to them.

Most franchises are enamored with Brooks potential. He's not a small throw-in to a deal.

Having Wallace a solid vet SF(who's much cheaper than Gay) and having MarShon and seeing if he can reach his potential as a 6th man is a strong base package.

Just because most of us hate MarShon does not mean that other teams don't like him. Look at how many players with great potential (but who ultimately pan out to be nothing) have been bounced around the league with each team that acquires them thinking "We can make him into a good player" (e.g. Beasley, Anthony Randolph, etc.)

If MEM wants to remain competitive but get close to or under the LT level, the Wallace/Brooks base package is pretty good.

If they're just trying to completely clear cap, then it wouldn't make sense.

EDIT: I did not see VC4P's post before I wrote this

I also really like the move from Memphis's viewpoint. A SG rotation of Allen and Brooks is basically defence/offence between the two. If they could find a young scorer at SF or even a good defensive SF like Singleton from Wizards they would have great defensive wing players with Brooks being the gunner.

I'd like the trade from both teams perspectives if we moved Wallace, Brooks & filler to match salary along with our 2013 1st for Gay.

2013/2014
Williams / Watson / Taylor
Johnson / Bogans / Vet min
Gay / Bogdanovic / Toko
Teletovic / Hump / Evans
Lopez / Blatche / Oden

YEH I DID IT!!! WRITE IT DOWN!!! TALE A PICTURE!!

Greg Oden.

Like I said before the season started, we should've made him our 15th man, given him a 2 year vet min deal, paid him throughout this season to rest and rehab and not worry about a thing.

Then when 2013 off season comes he starts building up to training camp to play on basically a 1 year vet min deal (but we'd have paid him roughly a $1m for doing nothing already) which would've been the lowest risk move ever that could lead to huge reward.

He would barely be needed for us at all but IF Lopez did manage to get hurt, Blatche could start with Oden needing to play light mins to give Blatche a rest. In the long run if Oden started to feel better you could build him into the rotation.

Like I said before, this didn't happen obviously but it should've. Whats the worst that could happen, Oden is injured and barely plays? So what no 15th man on the roster gets burn anyway. Plus if he produced anything again, he would be a huge asset to us as a back up big.

We should be trying to tie up Oden right now to be honest. It's the type of move we can afford to make and should be looking into.

[Ronito]

Why would Oden take a two-year, vet min. deal? He can just get that for one-year and hit the market again, if he makes it there healthy, for more money.

[N Ireland Nets]

Why would Oden take a two-year, vet min. deal? He can just get that for one-year and hit the market again, if he makes it there healthy, for more money.

Last summer we could've signed a vet min 2 year deal with us if it was on the table. I'm not talking about right now sign him to a 2 year deal because obviously he wouldn't accept that.

But last summer if we signed him like I said, to a 2 year min deal, we'd be paying him more than he is going to get right now (which is a vet min likely to Heat) than he would've got in a 2 year deal with us signed last summer.

If that even makes sense.

[NyCeEvO]

Look at that...

Someone posted on the GB a clip of news article saying that Caron Butler/Eric Bledsoe could be offered for Gay, but the Clippers afraid to mess with the team chemistry.

Again, it's hearsay, but it definitely suggests that the cheaper SF/young talent base package is probably what the Griz are looking for.

BK....do it man!

[SpeedyG]

Look at that...

Someone posted on the GB a clip of news article saying that Caron Butler/Eric Bledsoe could be offered for Gay, but the Clippers afraid to mess with the team chemistry.

Again, it's hearsay, but it definitely suggests that the cheaper SF/young talent base package is probably what the Griz are looking for.

BK....do it man!

We have this?

[treiz]

^Not exactly like that but something similar in Hump/Brooks

Also, any news on whether we have interest in Redick? He's definitely a player we should look into

[NyCeEvO]

Look at that...

Someone posted on the GB a clip of news article saying that Caron Butler/Eric Bledsoe could be offered for Gay, but the Clippers afraid to mess with the team chemistry.

Again, it's hearsay, but it definitely suggests that the cheaper SF/young talent base package is probably what the Griz are looking for.

BK....do it man!

We have this?

Look at what VC and I said above on this page.

Wallace is still way cheaper than Rudy and he's younger and better than Caron Butler.

A lot of teams like MarShon's potential, despite how many of us view him.

It doesn't even matter what we think about MarShon. All that matters is what other teams think of him and that's what his trade value is.

If you throw in Tyshawn that gives them another young PG with potential.

That base package gets them very close to going under LT, which is what they really want.

[Keith Van Horn]

Any way the Grizz take Marshon and Hump for Gay, letting us keep Crash?

[Paradise]

Any way the Grizz take Marshon and Hump for Gay, letting us keep Crash?

If they are interested in Dudley + 1st round pick(s) for Gay straight up, I don't see why Marshon/Hump + picks won't work for him.

[Ronito]

Because they have 4-5 bigs that are better than Hump. Meanwhile, Dudley fills a need for outside shooting as opposed to Brooks and Phoenix's picks are also more valuable.

[treiz]

Why would Memphis care about needs when they're rebuilding? I don't think they should be too bothered about adding Hump to their line up of bigs. An expiring contract and a young player with potential is what a rebuilding team would want along with shedding salary

[therealbig3]

Why would Memphis care about needs when they're rebuilding? I don't think they should be too bothered about adding Hump to their line up of bigs. An expiring contract and a young player with potential is what a rebuilding team would want along with shedding salary

I don't think they're completely rebuilding though. They want to shed salary, but they also want to stay competitive, because they're a fringe contender right now. Dudley actually helps their team, and draft picks from Phoenix, which are most likely lottery picks even with Gay, are much better than draft picks from us, which are most likely going to be in the late teens/early 20s.

I think Wallace is probably going to have to go if we want Gay. Wallace keeps them competitive, and he's a lot cheaper. It works for both sides, really. Gay is more durable, and a much better offensive player, while being a solid defender himself (he's proven he can guard Melo and LeBron with some success). He's also an open court threat that we don't have at all right now to run next to D-Will.

[therealbig3]

BTW, if it were possible to acquire Gay without giving up Wallace, I'd seriously consider making Gay the 6th man.

[vincecarter4pres]

Look at that...

Someone posted on the GB a clip of news article saying that Caron Butler/Eric Bledsoe could be offered for Gay, but the Clippers afraid to mess with the team chemistry.

Again, it's hearsay, but it definitely suggests that the cheaper SF/young talent base package is probably what the Griz are looking for.

BK....do it man!

We have this?

Look at what VC and I said above on this page.

Wallace is still way cheaper than Rudy and he's younger and better than Caron Butler.

A lot of teams like MarShon's potential, despite how many of us view him.

It doesn't even matter what we think about MarShon. All that matters is what other teams think of him and that's what his trade value is.

If you throw in Tyshawn that gives them another young PG with potential.

That base package gets them very close to going under LT, which is what they really want.

Ironically the Clippers were the team who was confirmed as wanting in on the Dwight Howard deal this summer, sending a lotto protected 2013 first rounder for Brooks.

[vincecarter4pres]

Not that I see any chance Memphis would take Hump, but just as an in general for Phoenix, sources have said they've scoffed at giving up any of their picks or the Lakers pick without significant protection.

In other words as of now they're saying hell no to massive salary relief plus lottery picks.

Also, from a solid source, forget which, I've been reading so much lately, but a legit beat reporter, like Sam Amick or someone credible like that said Phoenix is pretty much demanding that Memphis takes Beasley or Frye back as part of the deal as well.

Now things change, but if you're not reading the articles and reading the Tweets, don't just jump to conclusions but asstarded RealGM wiretap headlines and blurbs.

The reports are Memphis wants below the tax, a starting caliber 3 and either a pick(s) or a young talent on a cheap contract, but reports are also that teams are saying get lost to these lofty demands.

Things change, but they change both ways.

The one I'd look out for though, is a 3 team with Washington where they send Nene and Jordan Crawford and maybe a pick with some protection for Gay, a 3rd team takes Nene, sends an average wing and maybe another pick.

Could we be in on that in some fashion? Maybe. But I doubt it. I don't think King likes Nene much, which makes too much sense. I also think he really likes Crash, which is fine, but I hope he isn't loyal to a fault or makes some different silly move.

[N Ireland Nets]

Brooklyn are monitoring Oden's situation apparently.....