Official Trade Thread XXI (12/13/12 - 02/06/13)

[miller31time]

Doubt our first round pick THIS year is in.....we've gone too far to give that up. Next year i fully expect in the deal sadly.

Ariza/Crawford/Vesely/2014 1st is what I'd expect. Ariza could play the same role on the Grizzlies as Gay.

I don't expect us to become world beaters, or even better, but:

Wall
Beal
Gay
Nene
Okafor

Is far better than the crap we currently have.......it would at least make me watch 4 or 5 games until Gay tears his ACL.

Add in a top-5 pick (maybe Noel or Zeller) and we instantly transform from worst team in league to top 5 in the East, with room to get a lot better.

Wall/Price
Beal/Webster
Gay/Singleton
Noel/Seraphin/Booker
Nene/Okafor

Again, there are risks involved but if we got Rudy Gay without giving up Wall, Beal, Nene or our 2013 1st, it could be a pretty quick turnaround for the Wizards.

[LyricalRico]

Again, there are risks involved but if we got Rudy Gay without giving up Wall, Beal, Nene or our 2013 1st, it could be a pretty quick turnaround for the Wizards.

All part of the plan, my friend. All part of the plan.

[miller31time]

Again, there are risks involved but if we got Rudy Gay without giving up Wall, Beal, Nene or our 2013 1st, it could be a pretty quick turnaround for the Wizards.

All part of the plan, my friend. All part of the plan.

[Ruzious]

Doubt our first round pick THIS year is in.....we've gone too far to give that up. Next year i fully expect in the deal sadly.

Ariza/Crawford/Vesely/2014 1st is what I'd expect. Ariza could play the same role on the Grizzlies as Gay.

I don't expect us to become world beaters, or even better, but:

Wall
Beal
Gay
Nene
Okafor

Is far better than the crap we currently have.......it would at least make me watch 4 or 5 games until Gay tears his ACL.

Given Gay's terrible efficiency stats, his horrible contract, and the fact that he's just not very good, I can't imagine even Ernie Grunfeld would be foolish enough to give up a 1st round pick to get him. And it wouldn't be "clever" enough for Ted.

It's hard to imagine a trade for Gay that would benefit the Wiz - because he's not good and his contract would restrict what the Wizards could do for 3 years.

[Deivy202]

I hope so u guys are fooling your self, we all saw what we said about harden and gay is a good player who pro will be better here.

I think will get him, SF is a huge need and if we keep our first pick and beal than man we can really change this team npt to mention catch other FA interests.

[miller31time]

I hope so u guys are fooling your self, we all saw what we said about harden and gay is a good player who pro will be better here.

I think will get him, SF is a huge need and if we keep our first pick and beal than man we can really change this team npt to mention catch other FA interests.

Two different cases between Harden and Gay. James Harden was the definition of efficiency. Everyone but Ernie would have traded our 1st for Harden. Gay, simply put, is not efficient. Now, might a change of scenery make him a slightly different player? Maybe. That's why I wouldn't rule out a deal for him so long as we're not trading anything of serious value. But don't fool yourself into thinking he's going to have the impact Harden is having. There was a precedent for Harden. None such for Gay.

[Upper Decker]

The change of scenery angle works for players who are under-utilized, or are headcases that need to get out of toxic environments. Rudy is a high usage player who is in an exceptional winning environment. How is a change of scenery to a worse environment going to make him an efficient player? This isn't an ideal change of scenery for anyone.

[miller31time]

The change of scenery angle works for players who are under-utilized, or are headcases that need to get out of toxic environments. Rudy is a high usage player who is in an exceptional winning environment. How is a change of scenery to a worse environment going to make him an efficient player? This isn't an ideal change of scenery for anyone.

As Mike Prada pointed out, you can make the case that, while Memphis is an exceptional organization right now, they have a post-oriented offensive scheme that might not complement a perimeter oriented player like Rudy Gay.

[WashWiz54]

Admittedly, I'm a huge Rudy Gay fan. Liked him at UConn and have liked him his entire career in Memphis. I usually respect advanced stats and admit that they're usually right, but this time, I disagree. The dude can play out of the gym.

I do however agree that giving up Wall, Beal, our 2013 pick, or an unprotected 2014 pick for him would be ridiculous. Makes too much money for that.

Rudy in a more up-tempo free flow offense would look much better than what we've seen lately. Heck, Conley just broke out maybe a season and a half ago? And this was after their half-court offense was installed. The guy hasn't had a PG that complimented him since he came in the league. Gay would flourish with more open-court players especially a PG like John Wall. I think they'd compliment each other well and both of their play will improve. It gives Rudy a PG who can give him the ball in open space and gives John a guy to "go to" so he doesn't have to force everything. I like it.

[deneem4]

Admittedly, I'm a huge Rudy Gay fan. Liked him at UConn and have liked him his entire career in Memphis. I usually respect advanced stats and admit that they're usually right, but this time, I disagree. The dude can play out of the gym.

I do however agree that giving up Wall, Beal, our 2013 pick, or an unprotected 2014 pick for him would be ridiculous. Makes too much money for that.

Rudy in a more up-tempo free flow offense would look much better than what we've seen lately. Heck, Conley just broke out maybe a season and a half ago? And this was after their half-court offense was installed. The guy hasn't had a PG that complimented him since he came in the league. Gay would flourish with more open-court players especially a PG like John Wall. I think they'd compliment each other well and both of their play will improve. It gives Rudy a PG who can give him the ball in open space and gives John a guy to "go to" so he doesn't have to force everything. I like it.

Exactly what I been saying this whole thread...the Memphis offensive system limits gay...lik how the new lakers system limits dwight

[nate33]

Rudy in a more up-tempo free flow offense would look much better than what we've seen lately. Heck, Conley just broke out maybe a season and a half ago? And this was after their half-court offense was installed. The guy hasn't had a PG that complimented him since he came in the league. Gay would flourish with more open-court players especially a PG like John Wall. I think they'd compliment each other well and both of their play will improve. It gives Rudy a PG who can give him the ball in open space and gives John a guy to "go to" so he doesn't have to force everything. I like it.

I seriously doubt that there will be a serious change in Gay's game. Maybe his efficiency will improve a little bit with a more open system, but I think it's foolhardy to assume that a dramatic shift is likely. He certainly shouldn't be valued as if a dramatic shift in efficiency is likely. Rudy Gay, right now, is a pretty bad basketball player. Spence had it right. Right now, he statistically isn't even as good as Jordan Crawford. And that's in a system when defenses aren't even focused on him.

Like I said before, I'll live with a trade where we merely send bad contracts out in order to get Gay. After all, it's only money, and it's not my money. But I will probably throw my computer across the room if a find out that we sacrificed a pick to get Rudy Gay.

[DaRealHibachi]

Admittedly, I'm a huge Rudy Gay fan. Liked him at UConn and have liked him his entire career in Memphis. I usually respect advanced stats and admit that they're usually right, but this time, I disagree. The dude can play out of the gym.

I do however agree that giving up Wall, Beal, our 2013 pick, or an unprotected 2014 pick for him would be ridiculous. Makes too much money for that.

Rudy in a more up-tempo free flow offense would look much better than what we've seen lately. Heck, Conley just broke out maybe a season and a half ago? And this was after their half-court offense was installed. The guy hasn't had a PG that complimented him since he came in the league. Gay would flourish with more open-court players especially a PG like John Wall. I think they'd compliment each other well and both of their play will improve. It gives Rudy a PG who can give him the ball in open space and gives John a guy to "go to" so he doesn't have to force everything. I like it.

Exactly what I been saying this whole thread...the Memphis offensive system limits gay...lik how the new lakers system limits dwight

How so..?? Howard a glorified garbage man, he can/should succeed in any system; LAL have other issues...

[deneem4]

Yea not passing dwight the ball when he's in prime position...and giving him the iso

[jivelikenice]

Crawford is definitely expendable in my book. You can just see how well the ball moves around without him and Beal, with his ability to play off the ball, is a perfect compliment. I just don't see Wall and Crawford coexisting without getting in each other's way.

[LyricalRico]

Crawford is definitely expendable in my book. You can just see how well the ball moves around without him and Beal, with his ability to play off the ball, is a perfect compliment. I just don't see Wall and Crawford coexisting without getting in each other's way.

+1

Let's cash him in now, either as filler or for a pick of some kind.

[fishercob]

Called this a month ago:

You guys need to save some of this angst for the next deal. The idiotic one Ernie and Ted WILL make to try and stem the fan backlash on the one they DIDN'T make.

My guess is it'll a beauty.

Okafor, Ariza, and our lottery pick for RUdy Gay. Maybe we'll add another future pick or two.

Ernie will talk about how there was no one in the lottery who could help us now. He'll extol Gay's virtues as a former national team player and 20 point scorer. He's very familiar with the court at the Verizon center having led UConn to the biggest upset loss in NCAA tournament history. He can guard multiple positions, is athletic and likes to play an up-tempo game like our young core of Wall and Vesely.

[Deivy202]

Lol listen guys our playerd are role players other than nene and wall who are consistent starters. Gay would easily be our 2nd if not best playet in our system. I do think we would trade our first how ever along with craw and or sinhleton and booker.

Id like a pick back from memphis but i would really be excited about gay i mean we need a SF right? Thats young than next yearwe can draft a big man.

Worth the risk the bigger stars the biggef ibterest of other players .gotta risk.

[nate33]

Lol listen guys our playerd are role players other than nene and wall who are consistent starters. Gay would easily be our 2nd if not best playet in our system. I do think we would trade our first how ever along with craw and or sinhleton and booker.

Id like a pick back from memphis but i would really be excited about gay i mean we need a SF right? Thats young than next yearwe can draft a big man.

Worth the risk the bigger stars the biggef ibterest of other players .gotta risk.

I don't understand how such a wildly inaccurate evaluation has become conventional wisdom. Rudy Gay looks like a good player. He's very long, tall and athletic. But he doesn't actually play like a very good player. He's a high usage, low efficiency player who is pretty much average across the board in points, rebounds, assists and blocks, and well-below average in scoring efficiency.

He is the SF version of Jordan Crawford. More rebounds, fewer assists. The scoring is about the same. Hell, this year, Crawford has been better. (Though, to be fair, Gay is probably a more effective defender given his length.)

Let me try to put it another way:

There are 120 players in this league who take more than 12 shots per 36 minutes (while having played at least 500 total minutes). Of those 120 players, Rudy Gay ranks 107th in TS%. He is, literally, one of the worst scorers in the NBA.

[jivelikenice]

Interesting that Memphis got routed last night...trade talk may be getting to the team.

[Deivy202]

Nate,gay is all around improved his game and single hndly is a top 5 SsF like it or mot.he also gets doubled alot and not to mention this draf looks pretty weak.

Why are you worries? Players do improve trading just like at oj mayo he left to the mavs and avg 14 ppg woth the grizz but is the best player on there team.

Id do it .......we can have a playoff contending team next year and with wall tonight you easily saw yus get better so imagine Gay and a wiz that can develope into next year.m
roll the dice i mean id like to get muhummad but Gay can rebound-asst-improved handling- and has great D and can make his own shot.....yes down year ppg but that can easily change.