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Rasmus, is this his last chance in T.O?

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Rasmus, is this his last chance in T.O? 

Post#1 » by maahfaace » Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:00 pm

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Colby Rasmus should be entering the prime years of his career. Maybe he is, but he's also at a crossroad in his career with the Blue Jays.

When the Blue Jays acquired this five-tool talent from St. Louis in an eight-player deal with the Redbirds, many insiders considered it a steal for the Jays. After all, they were getting a 24-year-old who could do it all but wanted out of St. Louis due to a conflict with manager Tony LaRussa.

In a little over a year in Toronto, Rasmus has provided more questions than answers. His cumulative batting average is just .213. Though he's shown flashes of power and drove in 75 runs last season, his strikeout-to-walk ratio is not good and his on-base percentage in 2012 was only .289. Injuries of the nagging nature have dogged him and it partly explains why he only stole four bases last season and was caught stealing three times. He can definitely play a quality centre field but all-in-all, he hasn't been the player Alex Anthopoulos thought he was getting. That also explains why his name has been mentioned so often in trade rumours.

Going through the memory bank, I tried to remember a similar highly-touted player in Blue Jays history. It didn't take long to come up with the name of Jose Cruz Jr.

Cruz was one of my all-time favourite Blue Jays. He had talent, he had spunk and he didn't "Big Time" you. There was no "air" about him and he was easy to have a normal conversation with.

The Jays acquired Cruz from Seattle at the non-waiver trade deadline in 1997 for relievers Mike Timlin and Paul Spoljaric. The Mariners were desperate for relief help but no one could believe they would give up a prospect like Cruz. He was the son of a former Major League star Jose Cruz of Astros fame and was the third pick overall in the 1995 draft. He was a switch-hitter with pretty good speed who primarily played centre field.

In many ways, at 25 he had the same kind of year with the Blue Jays that Rasmus did last year at 25. Cruz hit .241 with 14 homers and 45 runs batted in. The following year, at 26, the same age Rasmus is now, Cruz hit only marginally better at .242 but his power numbers increased to 31 homers and 76 runs batted in.

In 2001, at 27 years of age, Cruz had the best and healthiest year of his career. For the one and only time in 12 seasons, he played all 162 games. He slugged 34 home runs, knocked in 88 runs and stole 32 bases. But he was never that good again. Cruz ultimately left the Jays as a free agent and bounced around to the tune of nine teams over his 12 years in the Majors.

Jose Cruz Jr. had a string of seven years where he hit between 23 and 38 home runs, but even he would have to admit he never lived up to the potential many felt he had.

So this is a dilemma for the Blue Jays. They control Colby Rasmus for this season and next before he becomes a free agent in 2015. Do they stick with him in centre field this year and hope he breaks out or at least hold the position until either Anthony Gose or Moises Sierra or someone else can take over full-time?

It's a tough call. Rasmus has the kind of talent that tantalizes us all. He could be a star or like Cruz, turn into a long serving journeyman. This definitely has to be Colby Rasmus' year. If not, he'll merely be held in the same regard as Travis Snider, Syl Campusano, Junior Felix, and yes, Jose Cruz Jr.


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Re: Rasmus, is this his last chance in T.O? 

Post#2 » by Hendrix » Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:42 pm

I realize that these articles are made for the average fan, so it uses stats they are familiar with. But, surely there is a better to analyze a player then using RBI's, batting average, and HR's.

I mean Cruz played 106 games in 1999, and 162 in 2000. Why on earth would you compare RBI's, and HR's? RBI's are basically useless to start with, but it's even worse when there's a 56 game disparity involved. And, why would you look at batting average in 1999, and not note that the dude had a 15.5bb%. Atleast note his obp%.

Also, how can you compare what Rasmus has done, and what Cruz did, to Travis Snider? Rasmus has put up a 4.3 WAR season. Cruz averaged about 2.3WAR per 600 PA's over his career. Snider's failed to stick in the bigs after 5 years worth of shots. There's a difference between a role player/average player at the MLB level and a guy that's been having trouble moving past AAA.

Maybe the Jays move on and try Gose next year if Rasmus has another meh year. I don't know. But if you're going to write an article about that you should probably spend a little more time analyzing those guys rather then filling up 1/2 the article with poor analysis on Jose Cruz imo.
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Post#3 » by The_Hater » Sat Jan 12, 2013 12:29 am

So lets argue for a second that Rasmus does continue struggling and they're looking to replace him in the summer, does anyone know how good/bad defensively Melky was in CF? I'm guessing that he only moved from CF because Pagan was already there in San Fran. Picking up a corner OF would obviously be easier if he can slide over.
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Post#4 » by BigLeagueChew » Sat Jan 12, 2013 1:44 am

The_Hater wrote:So lets argue for a second that Rasmus does continue struggling and they're looking to replace him in the summer, does anyone know how good/bad defensively Melky was in CF? I'm guessing that he only moved from CF because Pagan was already there in San Fran. Picking up a corner OF would obviously be easier if he can slide over.


Statistically Cabrera gets more assists from center field but his fielding is better in left, if that makes any sense. Haven't seen him play center much since the Yankees but if anything happens with Rasmus this year or next, Cabrera is the best option followed by Davis and Banafacio.

The Jays might decide the best thing for Rasmus and the team is to platoon him with the other mentioned players this year. Our bench is likely the best in baseball next year.
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Post#5 » by darth_federer » Sat Jan 12, 2013 2:16 am

I thought that Rasmus looked amazing the first half but he fell off in the second half because of injuries and other stuff. With a better lineup around him and less pressure hopefully he plays well.
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Post#6 » by spykelee » Sat Jan 12, 2013 3:04 am

darth_federer wrote:I thought that Rasmus looked amazing the first half but he fell off in the second half because of injuries and other stuff. With a better lineup around him and less pressure hopefully he plays well.


I think that way as well Darth. I think he'll bounce back and have a decent year. And if not, I think we have a decent amount of options to back him up. But I'm hopeful he puts it together because that first half of last season he was a beast. He seemed to have real good chemistry with Lawrie as well. It was nice to see when those two were on a roll.
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Post#7 » by Chevy Chase » Sat Jan 12, 2013 4:50 pm

I'm not sold on him, but its not like we need him to shine. Just watching the WS I taped over the holidays and its not like Devon White was a great hitter. But his defence was great and he got on base just enough to be him home by the monster part of the order.

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Post#8 » by duppyy » Sat Jan 12, 2013 8:52 pm

Rasmus is my fav jay, so I hope he can stick around and compliment the talent we have.

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Post#9 » by ItsDanger » Sat Jan 12, 2013 10:48 pm

All stats aside, Rasmus is a hacker. I got criticized for stating that right after he was acquired. Yet proof is right there. He needs lineup protection in order to hit well. Otherwise, he is replaceable. I'd take Cruz over him anyday of the week if we're just talking hitting.
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Post#10 » by kavan » Sun Jan 13, 2013 12:38 pm

Yea well at least we have a great back up option who also lacks a bit of the bat but has amazing speed and defense. Trade bait? Hopefully he turns it around with Lind and steps up the power game with Lawrie.
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Post#11 » by dballislife » Sun Jan 13, 2013 1:20 pm

if he cant crack at least .240 20hr...he can gtfo

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