Do the Jazz have what it takes?...Next year.

[nghedman]

I have to admit all this losing from the Jazz has really been a bummer. I really thought Corban will have this team digging down deep to pull off these wins when they needed them. And diggin down deep to get up by 20 points and keeping it above 15 into the fourth to win.

I am also a bit disappointed that Favors had his injury, I was looking forward to see him play more then he has and contribute a bit more than he has.

I have been happy with Kantors improvement though he didn't have anywhere else to go but up, so I guess thats a back handed compliment.

I convinced now after a couple years of trying to get in with championship contenders that the Jazz don't have what it takes. But I think the Jazz should keep Milsap and Jefferson and trade away Favors and maybe Kantor for a better team not the opposite. The Jazz have one of the best if not THE best salary situation this next year to go after ANYONE they want. They can go BIG into the market and buy any team they want this next year, they can go after the paint players or go after wing players or a ball handler. Who do you think they will go after????

I would like to see them get a really really good...an all star type point guard. Buy the guy, wine and dine him show him how awesome it is to play for a winning organization, show him the awesome long term greatness of Utah, whatever but get a player that will emphesize the benefits of the other four around them and win games. The PG is were it is at for the Jazz. Tinsley and Watson's defense have stunk it up and have really been the major weak link in my opinion in the Jazz losing many of the past games.

So anyways who are the Jazz going after this next year and are they going to see that they need a change to get to the next level?

[red4hf]

Too much depends on the off-season.......

[nguyenbalong]

yeah its gonna be a huge offseason of not trade dead line. we only have a hand full of guys locked so its gonna be a fun ofseason.

[RyanStorm]

Assuming we don't trade, and assuming we make the playoffs, then you count all our draft picks, and the countless expiring contracts.....including every starter with Marvin who can opt out at any time.....not to mention Mo Williams injury, which he hasn't recovered from...

According to all of this, Jazz appear to have the options to do almost anything. Our bench is cheap and effective, with some more experience they will be worth their minutes every night. They seem to do less on road but at home they are sufficient, and by next year, they will all be moved up one spot away from being rookies and first years and second years...


Millsap will go into FA if not traded, and people will throw huge contracts at him, and I believe we can match any offer, since in FA we wouldn't be tied down to the current contract max issues. Pretty much Millsap if he wants to stay here, he wants to open FA to get a huge offer so that Jazz will have to pay him more. Hopefully his contract is good, I am guessing he will get bigger offers. I mean look at Marvin he got 9 mill, Paul will probably get 12-15 million next year, and I bet Portland is going to do it like they did before. Were going to have to match it if we really want him.

Plus all the FA 1 years, if we want them longer, were going to have to offer a bigger salary, I don't think they will resign a 1 year deal for around the same cost. I believe Foye and Carroll should be resigned for sure their worth is totally worth it. Mo and Al, it all depends on who else we can get. Marvin should be traded, his cost isn't worth it. Millsap is also questionable, if he gets an FA offer, he might not be worth it.

[RyanStorm]

Personally, after watching the SAS vs MEM game, and watching GS and POR game....There are some serious competitors in this Western Conference. If we want to be a division leader and/or be a second rounder, were going to need to be able to beat: SAS, LAC, OKC, MEM, and GS. Right now I would NOT want to face any of them in a playoff.

Next year, to want to face them, then some serious upgrades need to happen. I didn't even mention HOU, DEN, POR, LAL, MIN, or DAL, which at this point, I don't exactly want to face them neither. Pretty much were only doing so good this year, is cause all the best teams who were predicted to do great got injures and turmoil.

Which is why you don't see the last two western finals winners in LAL and DAL, then there is also MIN. HOU, POR and DEN don't have any major injury, but if one of them got one injury it would increase are chances hardcore, especially if Harden or Lillard go out.

[Litany]

I have to admit all this losing from the Jazz has really been a bummer. I really thought Corban will have this team digging down deep to pull off these wins when they needed them. And diggin down deep to get up by 20 points and keeping it above 15 into the fourth to win.

I am also a bit disappointed that Favors had his injury, I was looking forward to see him play more then he has and contribute a bit more than he has.

I have been happy with Kantors improvement though he didn't have anywhere else to go but up, so I guess thats a back handed compliment.

I convinced now after a couple years of trying to get in with championship contenders that the Jazz don't have what it takes. But I think the Jazz should keep Milsap and Jefferson and trade away Favors and maybe Kantor for a better team not the opposite. The Jazz have one of the best if not THE best salary situation this next year to go after ANYONE they want. They can go BIG into the market and buy any team they want this next year, they can go after the paint players or go after wing players or a ball handler. Who do you think they will go after????

I would like to see them get a really really good...an all star type point guard. Buy the guy, wine and dine him show him how awesome it is to play for a winning organization, show him the awesome long term greatness of Utah, whatever but get a player that will emphesize the benefits of the other four around them and win games. The PG is were it is at for the Jazz. Tinsley and Watson's defense have stunk it up and have really been the major weak link in my opinion in the Jazz losing many of the past games.

So anyways who are the Jazz going after this next year and are they going to see that they need a change to get to the next level?

So trade away our future front court to go back to the same situation we had the season Deron left which was still nothing more than a first round exit team?

Boggle.

We already tried the top level PG with Sap and Jefferson as the starters in the front court. It was bad and wouldn't contend for anything.

Apart from the fact that there isn't a PG like that available, this Sap and Jefferson thing has to end now.

We need to do what we should have two years ago after trading Deron. Let our young guys play and see what they have. If its not good enough move on.

Now, your concern is valid. With every passing day these last few years I am growing more and more concerned the Jazz are content with mediocrity and just making the playoffs instead of taking some risks.

[Inigo Montoya]

there are hardly any significant free agents to go after this summer. this off season is going to be a major bummer in that regard. the jazz's best (and almost only) course of action in regards to significantly improve the team will have to come through trades, be it by this trade deadline, around draft day or in the summer.

anyone who has high hopes or is exited about the jazz's cap space and their prospects of landing a great player by using cap space in free agency is going to be sorely disappointed.

free agent list this offseason:

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/FreeAgents-12-13/nba-free-agents-2012-2013

[RyanStorm]

Mo is great but is injured. Tinsley is good enough, and would like him on the team at 3rd string or bench. If we can secure someone nice like in the draft, or get someone like Lowry in a trade, that would be ideal. Imagine having Mo be our bench PG....cause we have someone so much better at starter(which is likely).


To win it next year, were better off keeping our core bench including Carroll and Tinsley, they can come out of 3rd string and do good with little minutes(and can come in for injuries and do sufficient). I would remove Watson and Marvin in trade or just space to bring in someone nice, like a hot SF Hybrid(like someone who is the future Hayward).

Then keep Al and Paul, who have really had a great season so far, not many PF and C, that would do better than them on this team. Its not like we can get Pekovic, Love, Lee, Howard etc. I think we are better if we keep Mo, Foye, Al and Paul, then bring in the hottest SF shooter we can find, then have Carroll as backup. However I could see us finding someone better than Mo for starter PG, then have Mo, be a SG for bench or starters(if starters, Foye would become SG for bench with Burks as PG)


We would also continue to use our bench group, using Kanter, Favors, Hayward, Burks, and securing ourselves a nice bench PG, that isn't Watson. Tinsley is just fine in my eyes, but I would like to see Burks become our PG, and get the best SG shooter we can get to play on the bench, imagine if Mo(or his caliber) played SG on the bench, while we have some new hot PG on the starters(like lillard good). Hell even a hot SG, to put Foye on bench would make us super deadly. Burks + Foye + Hayward = Amazing 2nd Unit

We got 2 1st round picks(with a handful of options for SG/PG and SF) and a 2nd round pick to find a tough SF or PF. We still got Evans and Murphy, who were 2nd rounders, but I don't see them moving up to bench until a couple years when our current bench moves up. They are probably going to be used more next year or the year after(both have more minutes in D-League).


**Most teams take their new 1st rounders and make them starters, we got an entire lineup of 1st rounders who normally would be starters, but they are on our bench! With proper starters, that are lacking in PG and SF right now. If we had a Rudy Gay for a SF, and a Lowry for PG right now, we would be great, but we wouldn't get them unless we sacrifice Al or Paul, so I think were better off finding our new PG and SF.

[nghedman]

there are hardly any significant free agents to go after this summer. ...

free agent list this offseason:

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/FreeAgents-12-13/nba-free-agents-2012-2013

Your right, not much there. Looks like a trade is going to have to happen to get that star PG. However there are few I would think would be worth the efforts to get that would replace what we got.

Tyrek Evans
Monte Ellis
Stephan Curry
Manu Ginobli
Nick Young
Brandon Jennings
others include
Andris Beidrins
Gerald Henderson
and do you think Korver would come back?

[Inigo Montoya]

there are hardly any significant free agents to go after this summer. ...

free agent list this offseason:

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/FreeAgents-12-13/nba-free-agents-2012-2013

Your right, not much there. Looks like a trade is going to have to happen to get that star PG. However there are few I would think would be worth the efforts to get that would replace what we got.

Tyrek Evans
Monte Ellis
Stephan Curry
Manu Ginobli
Nick Young
Brandon Jennings
others include
Andris Beidrins
Gerald Henderson
and do you think Korver would come back?

Tyrek Evans - keep him away from my team.
Monte Ellis - not a PG, over rated, never won anyting. don't want him.
Stephan Curry - just signed and extension with the warriors and not going anywhere
Manu Ginobli - will stay a spur. but i'd love to have him.
Nick Young - yuck.
Brandon Jennings - keep him away from my team.
others include
Andris Beidrins - he's done in this league and we don't need him.
Gerald Henderson - worth a shot.

i do think korver would be willing to come back. he left because he got more money elsewhere - more than the jazz were willing to pay. and in hindsight the jazz were right, since korver kept being traded. if he is willing to sign a reasonable contract, i would like him back. but with players like him who don't make a lot of money (in nba terms) and keep bouncing around from team to team, he will most likely go to the team who pays him the most, and if we look at his history - it wouldn't be the jazz. as for a PG, i'd take my chances on the draft.

[reapaman]

Well since its almost a guarentee that Paul, Howard, Bynum and Smith won't be here for one reason or another, that leaves us with Mayo, Evans, Jennings and possibly Iggy and Ellis as the big names (other than our free agents) likely to be avalible this summer (also not including older guys like pierce and manu).

Then you have many teams with lots of cap room competing with us for free agents such as dallas, houston, cleveland, Atlanta, Milwaukee, New Orleans, Phoenix, Portlant and a few more. 2014 doesn't look much better. So in other words, prepare to be dissapointed.

I think the jazz try to build off of what they did this year. Since Favors is about to get paid then jazz will make him a starter because their not gonna bring off the bench like mcgee at the pay Favors will get. Millsap won't come off the bench at this point in his career and the Jazz won't overpay him, so I don't think he comes back. Kanter's not ready to start so in this case I see Jefferson being resigned and at a discount. So with that we can use some of our assets to make a big trade, or mabey we trade for a near star and also sign a guy like mayo who can shoot and attack the basket (since burks is a little bit behind in that area and he can come off the bench) or we trade for 2 near stars if we can't sign a guy like mayo. Hopefully we can keep a draft pick for a nice young player like cj mccollum. Then the rest of the capspace will be used on Hayward (depending on what he ask for) and filling out the roster with vets.

I think it could work but the jazz have to be aggressive and ready to take a risk.

[RyanStorm]

"as for a PG, i'd take my chances on the draft."


There are some great players in the draft. People are only calling it not as good as others, because the top 5, including #1 pick is not going to be a group of LeBron's and Durants....There is still plenty of players that the Jazz could use in the first.

Like I wouldn't mind Carter-Williams, CJ McCollum, or Archie Goodwin(as far as guys in our current range). We didn't get to pick any 1st rounders last year(just Murphy), but we got 2 this year, which should be sufficient in filling in the gaps, cause we got a third pick at about where Murphy's pick was last year(like 40th+ overall).

[Inigo Montoya]

Well since its almost a guarentee that Paul, Howard, Bynum and Smith won't be here for one reason or another, that leaves us with Mayo, Evans, Jennings and possibly Iggy and Ellis as the big names (other than our free agents) likely to be avalible this summer (also not including older guys like pierce and manu).

Then you have many teams with lots of cap room competing with us for free agents such as dallas, houston, cleveland, Atlanta, Milwaukee, New Orleans, Phoenix, Portlant and a few more. 2014 doesn't look much better. So in other words, prepare to be dissapointed.

I think the jazz try to build off of what they did this year. Since Favors is about to get paid then jazz will make him a starter because their not gonna bring off the bench like mcgee at the pay Favors will get. Millsap won't come off the bench at this point in his career and the Jazz won't overpay him, so I don't think he comes back. Kanter's not ready to start so in this case I see Jefferson being resigned and at a discount. So with that we can use some of our assets to make a big trade, or mabey we trade for a near star and also sign a guy like mayo who can shoot and attack the basket (since burks is a little bit behind in that area and he can come off the bench) or we trade for 2 near stars if we can't sign a guy like mayo. Hopefully we can keep a draft pick for a nice young player like cj mccollum. Then the rest of the capspace will be used on Hayward (depending on what he ask for) and filling out the roster with vets.

I think it could work but the jazz have to be aggressive and ready to take a risk.

i agree. though keep in mind that iggy has a ETO for 16M which i don't think he he will want to let go, so he's also off the market for this summer. if we can get granger at the 3 (the pacers seem to do just fine without him), we can slide hayward to the 2, and have alec come off the bench. kanter will be the 3rd big and first big off the bench, and a PG from the draft. i can live with that. i like mayo but he scares me a bit, and i wonder how much money he'll be asking because it looks like he will get paid.

[reapaman]

i agree. though keep in mind that iggy has a ETO for 16M which i don't think he he will want to let go, so he's also off the market for this summer. if we can get granger at the 3 (the pacers seem to do just fine without him), we can slide hayward to the 2, and have alec come off the bench. kanter will be the 3rd big and first big off the bench, and a PG from the draft. i can live with that. i like mayo but he scares me a bit, and i wonder how much money he'll be asking because it looks like he will get paid.

Well I think we would have to probley give up burks to get grange which works since I still think hayward will come of the bench. Thats my preference actually because hayward off the bench is what makes our bench so dangerous and thats what would ultimately set us apart from other teams and could make up for us not having a true superstar. Plus there would be too many ball dominant guys in the starter line up and hayward needs to dominate the ball which is why he thrives with the second unit.

We can instead get a defensive wing such as tony allen, or ronnie brewer or corey brewer ect ... to start since granger isn't the best defender and to help keep those guards out the lane and from roaming free off of screens (one of our main problems now). Then we can get a veteran and steady pg who is not to far from their prime (could convince mo, udirth or calderon to come off the bench if possibe) to go with Kanter, Hayward, probley carroll and Marvin and also Murphy (and I guess evans since he is signed for 2 more years ... sigh). Add that with another low minute big (or Marvin can play some backup PF if he doesn't opt out) and a 3rd string pg then we could be very dangerous.

[Inigo Montoya]

i always hated mo as a starting PG but i always loved him off the bench. if he wouldn't mind being a 6th man (the role he is best suited for imho) i wouldn't mind keeping him. as long as hayward gets 30+ mpg i don't care if he starts or not. even if we do get granger, it will be about 4 years too late, but i guess he'll have to do. but favors must be a starter. watson needs to go, and we should get a PG from the draft, maybe even two, and see who works.

[RyanStorm]

Yeah I was making squads around getting a new PG, and shifting Mo to SG, with Foye as bench SG, or putting Burks at bench PG, with Mo at bench SG(Foye stays at start), but with this we would need a new PG.

Mo is just a good clutch shooter, and has ball handling skills that would work nicely. Golden States does this with Curry and Bayliss.

[RyanStorm]

The fact is, Mo is getting older. He isn't exactly the young PG you want on your team for the next couple of years, especially with Mo being injured so damn much. 30 might not sound that old, but for someone constantly being injured, the older the worst.

I like Mo, but he is probably not our future PG, even though I thought he could be this years and next, but with this injury, I think we will hold him to the Summer.

[Amish Mafioso]

But I think the Jazz should keep Milsap and Jefferson and trade away Favors and maybe Kantor for a better team not the opposite.

Stopped reading.

[StocktonShorts]

But I think the Jazz should keep Milsap and Jefferson and trade away Favors and maybe Kantor for a better team not the opposite.

Stopped reading.

Maybe if we paired Jefferson and Millsap with an all-NBA point guard and a hall of fame coach.

[The59Sound]

But I think the Jazz should keep Milsap and Jefferson and trade away Favors and maybe Kantor for a better team not the opposite.

Stopped reading.

Don't blame you.

We should keep our vets, who don't complement one another and are proven to be ineffective defenders, for two very young and very well-regarded guys, one of whom already plays defense at an elite level? What exactly would we be getting in return that would mask Al's and Millsap's deficiencies, play off their strengths, and put us into immediate contention for home court?