RGM's Top 25 Most Valuable Players - Vote for #15

[Trader_Joe]

Real GM's TnT Board Top 25 Most Valuable Players

1. LeBron James
2. Kevin Durant
3. Kyrie Irving
4. Derrick Rose
5. Carmelo Anthony
6. Chris Paul
7. Anthony Davis
8. James Harden
9. Russell Westbrook
10. Blake Griffin
11. LaMarcus Aldridge
12. Kevin Love
13. Rajon Rondo
14. Marc Gasol

With December 15th here, seems now is as good a time as any for our annual list of players with the most trade value. After this is done we will move on to the annual list of players with the most negative trade value.


Please vote for the player that you think currently has the most trade value and please list a nominee that should be added the voting list. Remember this is trade value, so factors such as salary/contract, age, potential, production, injuries, etc. should all be factored in to your vote.



The current nominees:


Kobe Bryant


Jrue Holiday


Dwight Howard


Dwayne Wade


Paul George


Stephen Curry


Deron Williams


Andre Drummond


Ricky Rubio


Damian Lillard


Some helpful sites for salary information:
http://data.shamsports.com/content/page ... /index.jsp
http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-salaries/


Please write in both your vote and nomination



Last year's results:
http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1161629



Votes:
Kobe - 5
M.Gasol - 7
Drummond - 3
Lillard - 6
Dwight - 1
Deron - 4
Curry - 1
Rubio - 1

Nominations:
Holiday - 8
Bosh - 4
Ibaka - 3
Monroe - 2
Lopez - 5
MKG - 2
Wall - 1
Lin - 1
Duncan - 1
Favors - 1

[shrink]

Kobe
Linn

No contest. Argue over individual rebounds, or BPG all you want.

(just saw Jeremy Lin is the new spokesman for Volvo tonight too. What a February!)

[Trader_Joe]

Kobe
Linn

No contest. Argue over individual rebounds, or BPG all you want.

(just saw Jeremy Lin is the new spokesman for Volvo tonight too. What a February!)

So if you were a GM, this is really how you would operate?
What fattens the owners wallets?
And you don't worry about the fans, players or coaches calling you on it?

More questions (some of which are from the other thread)

1. Should this list simply be the list of top ASG votes? Or jersey sales?
2. If Lin is the 4th or 5th most valuable player, why did the Knicks let him walk? I mean if he has the 4th highest trade value in the league I can only imagine the assets they could have gotten for him later on.
2b. Do you expect Lin to get a max contract in 2 years as an average PG?
3. You don't think Houston would trade Lin for Love, Griffin, Davis, Irving or others?
4. Can you show me a trade in the past where a team clearly overpaid for a player for his marketability and not his on court production?
5. How does a GM justify a marketing oriented move to fans, players and coaches?
6. If the Wolves didn't have Rubio, do you do a Love/Lin swap since Lin is the more valuable player?
7. Being a Minny fan do you feel the FO has tried to sell you "white players" or get "white players" for the fan base (perhaps this is where your marketing angle comes from)?
8. Would you be ok with Kahn trading D.Williams for Bargnani? Bargnani would open up the Italian market and while D.Will is younger, with more potential and might be able to get a better fit for the team, Bargnani is settled upon for marketing reasons.

Again, I just think you are now taking this to an extreme and to a certain extent making a mockery of this list and the board in general.

[shrink]

Kobe
Linn

No contest. Argue over individual rebounds, or BPG all you want.

(just saw Jeremy Lin is the new spokesman for Volvo tonight too. What a February!)

So if you were a GM, this is really how you would operate?
What fattens the owners wallets?
And you don't worry about the fans, players or coaches calling you on it?

You have it backwards - at least as far as the fans go.

Lin increased the value of MSGC because HE was the popular one. HE was the ones fans wanted to see. He was #2 in jersey sales .. for the entire NBA!

The NBA, at it's core, is entertainment. Wins alone don't draw fans (ask George Shin!) - entertainment does.

Jeremy Lin entertained fans, captured their imagination. I had no idea by how much until I saw the numbers. No owner in the word is going to say "no" to $500 mil.

Unfortunately in NY, that was unsustainable. Lin isn't a great player, and he couldn't keep it up when Carmelo Anthony got back. Eventually, his buzz would fade - but that won't happen in HOU. Moreover, Alexander benefits not just in the increase in the value of the Rockets, but it's a doorway for his investment company as he increases his presence in China.

[shrink]

Regarding the question about the Wolves, I don't know if Lin's effect would be sustainable there either, but that might not matter so much.

As a known penny-pincher for the coffers of this team, I've gotten a couple questions about whether I believe the rumors that Glen Taylor will go over the lux next season. The answer: almost certainly.

Taylor has two reasons for this, and it has nothing to do with Adelman or Kahn's short, win-now windows. Taylor is trying to find someone to buy out his share of the team. When he leaves, he wants the prestige of going out a winner, when he shakes hands with businessmen for the rest of his life. More importantly, he wants to increase the value of his asset.

Let me make a rough example: If the Kings sold for $525, I imagine that the wolves must be worth at least that much, with two more marketable players, but the same low number of wins. If Taylor could find a player that'd increase the value of the team 15%, he'd have a $600 mil team. No sane businessman is going to mind paying an extra $10 mil if it's going to net him $75 mil. the fact that he is willing to cash his chips immediately means a short term sensation is something he can nab the most value out of.

[vincecarter4pres]

Kobe has a no trade clause, is owed six gajillion dollars and is old. But yeah, he's a legit vote...

[vincecarter4pres]

Vote: Deron Williams

Nominate: Brook Lopez

[shrink]

Kobe has a no trade clause, is owed six gajillion dollars and is old. But yeah, he's a legit vote...

Kobe makes the Lakers $12 gajillion dollars, and I don't think the Lakers would give him up for some of the players that are already listed. He's just too valuable to them off-the-court.

Among all the other individual differences we have in assigning trade value, I suppose we should add whether the buyer or seller sets a "trade value"

[Trader_Joe]

Kobe has a no trade clause, is owed six gajillion dollars and is old. But yeah, he's a legit vote...

Kobe makes the Lakers $12 gajillion dollars, and I don't think the Lakers would give him up for some of the players that are already listed. He's just too valuable to them off-the-court.

Among all the other individual differences we have in assigning trade value, I suppose we should add whether the
buyer or seller sets a "trade value"

Was gonna chime in but.... Instead of us overtaking another poll with this marketing discussion let's start a new thread for it. Feel free to start it, or I will in the morning.

[fallacy]

The lack of Ibaka is disturbing


V: Kobe
N: Ibaka

[vincecarter4pres]

Kobe has a no trade clause, is owed six gajillion dollars and is old. But yeah, he's a legit vote...

Kobe makes the Lakers $12 gajillion dollars, and I don't think the Lakers would give him up for some of the players that are already listed. He's just too valuable to them off-the-court.

Among all the other individual differences we have in assigning trade value, I suppose we should add whether the
buyer or seller sets a "trade value"

Was gonna chime in but.... Instead of us overtaking another poll with this marketing discussion let's start a new thread for it. Feel free to start it, or I will in the morning.

I don't even think all that is needed. Shrink would be right, but the dude has a no trade clause and will likely play at best another 2 seasons after this one.

But again, it's all about the no trade clause and his huge salary. Where is he going where they can match salary, give up huge assets that warrant this lofty ranking of 15th and he'll approve?

He has no place being voted for this high or really almost anywhere in this 25.

There's probably 3 teams in the league he'd consider agreeing to go to and none of them have much to give up in general and especially after Kobe assistant GM's it and says you can deal this this this and him for me or I don't want to come.

[Zubby]

You have it backwards - at least as far as the fans go.

Lin increased the value of MSGC because HE was the popular one. HE was the ones fans wanted to see. He was #2 in jersey sales .. for the entire NBA!

The NBA, at it's core, is entertainment. Wins alone don't draw fans (ask George Shin!) - entertainment does.

Jeremy Lin entertained fans, captured their imagination. I had no idea by how much until I saw the numbers. No owner in the word is going to say "no" to $500 mil.

Unfortunately in NY, that was unsustainable. Lin isn't a great player, and he couldn't keep it up when Carmelo Anthony got back. Eventually, his buzz would fade - but that won't happen in HOU. Moreover, Alexander benefits not just in the increase in the value of the Rockets, but it's a doorway for his investment company as he increases his presence in China.

Did we already go over this, about Lin...
I mean do you think an organization gets any profit from their players being and commercials? No
The Rockets are in the bottom half of the league in attendance even though they decreased ticket sales from last year...

Also I don't see how anyone could vote Kobe over Dwight.


Vote: Dwight
Nom: Bosh

[theokie]

V. Dwight
N. Ibaka

[babyjax13]

Drummond
Lopez

[BayWarrior]

V-Kobe
N-David Lee

[Drax]

V: Lillard
N: Ibaka

[WizardsWorld]

KOBE

WALL

[Village Idiot]

voting for Lillard and nominating Ibaka

[princeofpalace]

V: Kobe

N: Monroe. Not sure how a 22 year old C who is currently averaging 16 points/9 boards/3 assists/1 steal on 32 mpg isnt getting more mentions. He's showing an expanded FG range as well and using his ability to pass. I don't see how he wouldnt have more value than a guy like Paul George, Ricky Rubio, Stephen Curry, etc..

[Village Idiot]

V: Kobe

N: Monroe. Not sure how a 22 year old C who is currently averaging 16 points/9 boards/3 assists/1 steal on 32 mpg isnt getting more mentions. He's showing an expanded FG range as well and using his ability to pass. I don't see how he wouldnt have more value than a guy like Paul George, Ricky Rubio, Stephen Curry, etc..

Not sure how people keep voting for Kobe, Dwight Howard and Tim Duncan. Kobe is paid $30 million, is worth more to the Lakers than anybody else and has a no trade clause which is why he isn't a Bull or Knick right now, Howard has burned a lot of bridges and the teams that he might condescend to play for will have cap-space to sign him outright this upcoming off-season and Duncan has Spurs blood running in his veins and took a paycut to play there.