Rumors: Bobcats, Bulls, Kings three-team discussions

[MalikJoakim24]

Meh we can do better, don't trade

[jax98]

Depends on who's on the table. McLemore or Goodwin? Hell yeah I do it. Thompson is decent and would give us another big body against Miami for the future.

I like it.

[waffle]

and remember, rooks are v. desirable for financial reasons also. That Charlotte pick is doubly valuable.

[League Circles]

FWIW, I expect the Bulls this summer to either trade the TPE for a 5 mil big with one year remaining on his deal (retaining our 2014 cap space), or sign a 4th big with a one year 3 year MMLE deal.

But if we can take RIP's contract and get that big now, we can then use the TPE for 5 million on a SG. I want to see what the pick details is all about. That's the key. If we're getting a 10th-15th pick in 2013, Jeff Taylor and Jason Thompson, IMO that's worth taking the chance on dealing the future pick of theirs. It's my guess but I'm thinking it's the Trailblazers pick which is top 12 protected, but even that a pick 13-15 with those players is good value.

The problem is that to me, RIP is more important now as our 2nd best wing after Deng than Thompson would be. Further, I don't think we can get nearly as good of a wing for the 5 mil TPE as RIP is. Nobody is going to give us a good contract for the TPE. It's going to have to be a player who is worth like 2-3 mil but being paid 5 mil. That's why I slate that 5 mil player as our 4th big, and yes I realize he won't be nearly as good as Thompson, though he should be better than Nazr.

I'm very uncomfortable expecting Marco, who I genuinely like, to play 35 mpg+ for us for the remainder of the season on a title run. If I had to choose between he and RIP, I'd take RIP even though he's a health concern. RIP is the smarter and much more experienced player, plus we can keep him next year whereas if you play Marco 35 mpg as a starting SG for a good team in a playoff run, IMO he'll outprice us with our 3 mil MMLE easily, and then we'll be left trying to find a starting SG from among Kirk, Jimmy, our draft pick, and the MMLE.

[PistolP]

Count me in as someone intrigued by these discussions.

I really don't care about 2014 cap space because once we signed Taj to an extension we lost the ability to sign guys like Lebron, Melo etc. The max for all those guys as 10 year vets will be 20m+. I'd rather just keep Deng than chase after aging guys like Wade or Kobe.

Thompson would be a very good big to have off the bench and would be a serious upgrade compared to Nazr. He's young, active, and has offensive skill. We'd be able to bring a solid mix of energy, rebounding and offense from our bigs for 48 mins every game.

To anyone arguing we should have just kept Omer...I'm pretty sure the whole reason we let him go is because we need to get under the apron in summer 2014 to offer Mirotic the full MLE. Omer at $15m would have made that next to impossible. Thompson would be a solid alternative backup at a more flexible cost.

Jimmer/Taylor...I'm indifferent about. Jimmer has shown some flashes but doubt his defense would fly under Thibs. I liked Taylor around the draft and seems he’s been a solid rookie so far, but I’m not sure he’s any better/worse than Jimmy.

Getting Portland’s pick makes the value worth it. It will likely only be a mid-1st either this year or next, but that’s only a few spots lower than what I ultimately expect the Bobcats pick to be…plus we get it much sooner.

All that said, I’d still much rather pry Tyreke Evans out of Sacramento than any of these players/picks. We could use him as a super 6th man and have some serious firepower.

[TCat99]

I was interested to find this trade talk...especially with the mention of Jimmer.
Just this week, Bill Simmons (BSReport-ESPN)...stated that he would like his favorite team, the Celtics, to trade for Jimmer (as a throw in). He thinks that he is being ruined by the Sacramento system and would prove to be an asset.

[BullsFTW]

Jason Thompson, Jimmer and a 2013 lottery pick? yes please.

Heck Yeah...


Where do I sign? If we get the 2013 Bobcats Pick and it ends up becoming a Top 5 Pick...and we get McLemore or Muhammad, damn.

[patryk7754]

Meh we can do better, don't trade

How can we do better? We're essentially trading Rip and Nazr for Thompson and Jimmer, then a future pick pick that might or might not be a top 10 pick for a 2013 pick that's pretty much guaranteed to be a top 5 pick.

[League Circles]

Thompson contract is still flexible though. He only makes likes 6 mil per. That is a moveable. If Houston didn't go 15 mil on us in year 3, Asik would be here. Also our 3 bigs are awesome but we do need a 4th. Foul trouble injury and our system really says we need 4 bigs...

We're also trying to find out the whole pick thing so keep looking at @nbarumorpress on twitter and as soon as we get full details it will be posted.

Thompson at 6 mil now is flexible to trade. I don't think we can assume that he is dumpable for no salary coming back after spending the rest of this year and next possibly getting 10 mpg as the 4th big on our team. I know some would say that other teams wouldn't hold the decreased PT against him, but I think it's impossible for GMs to erase that from their mind for the most part. All other things being equal, you're thought less of when you play less. Asik is an exception I guess. This is why you have to think before you pay guys, and you have to be prepared for all possible PT scenarios when you acquire players on big deals IMO.

[HomoSapien]

It's not a bad depth package if we're getting an additional first round pick. It obviously wont be the Bobcats pick, as that would completely go against the sole purpose of this trade.

That being said, how much does it really help us? There aren't really minutes for Gibson and Taj. Makes it easier to stomach if we decide to amnesty Boozer, which I'm completely against. I am intrigued by Jimmer and would rather have him than JJ.

At the end of the day, I'd rather keep the Bobcats pick.

[BIGGIEsmalls 23]

.......so keep looking at @nbarumorpress on twitter and as soon as we get full details it will be posted.

I have no problem supporting you & Red, but the shameless plugs are getting a tad bit overwhelming don't you think .

[League Circles]

Meh we can do better, don't trade

How can we do better? We're essentially trading Rip and Nazr for Thompson and Jimmer, then a future pick pick that might or might not be a top 10 pick for a 2013 pick that's pretty much guaranteed to be a top 5 pick.

Well, for us right now, RIP is more valuable than all of them. Then there's the 2014 cap space that would be ruined by a bench big man. Than there's the notion that this draft sucks and that we'll need thee young talent influx of the pick much more in a few years than we do right now.

[biggestbullsfan]

Depends on who's on the table. McLemore or Goodwin? Hell yeah I do it. Thompson is decent and would give us another big body against Miami for the future.

I like it.

McLemore recent play has gotten into top 3 considerations. No way we have any shot at him unless charlotte giving us their pick this year. Which would make no sense. Goodwin is 10-15 so maybe him but even thats iffy.

[jax98]

It's not a bad depth package if we're getting an additional first round pick. It obviously wont be the Bobcats pick, as that would completely go against the sole purpose of this trade.

Not necessarily. Supposedly, Charlotte's scouts told them to trade out of the draft this year.

[HomoSapien]

It's not a bad depth package if we're getting an additional first round pick. It obviously wont be the Bobcats pick, as that would completely go against the sole purpose of this trade.

Not necessarily. Supposedly, Charlotte's scouts told them to trade out of the draft this year.

Fair enough.

If it's the Bobcats current pick I'd be in.

[biggestbullsfan]

We seriously need to stop over-valuing this pick.

Its more valuable to us as a trade chip than an actual player.

We need to move it, but for the right deal. Not just to dump Rip and get another pick in a mediocre draft.

[League Circles]

Count me in as someone intrigued by these discussions.

I really don't care about 2014 cap space because once we signed Taj to an extension we lost the ability to sign guys like Lebron, Melo etc. The max for all those guys as 10 year vets will be 20m+. I'd rather just keep Deng than chase after aging guys like Wade or Kobe.

The beauty of 2014 cap space is that it allows us to work with FAs to bluff their former teams into trading them to us instead of us signing them, with Taj, Boozer, Butler, Teague, Bobcats pick, etc being used to not eat as much of our cap space as signing them outright would take. I've shown in depth before in other threads how careful negotiations could basically have us adding a top player or two AND keep Deng (with bird rights) by using cap space to force S&Ts instead of outright signings. It's a crucial thing to note IMO.

[Ralphb07]

The problem is that to me, RIP is more important now as our 2nd best wing after Deng than Thompson would be. Further, I don't think we can get nearly as good of a wing for the 5 mil TPE as RIP is. Nobody is going to give us a good contract for the TPE. It's going to have to be a player who is worth like 2-3 mil but being paid 5 mil. That's why I slate that 5 mil player as our 4th big, and yes I realize he won't be nearly as good as Thompson, though he should be better than Nazr

The problem is RIP is NOT going to be back next year so I don't understand this... Why wouldn't you want the Bulls to trade Hamilton now and get a player for the long term, allowing us to keep the TPE for something else. We need a 4th big and a good one. Especially one with size and Thompson is that. Our system calls for four bigs....

Also Taylor is not a throw in and is a Thibs guy. He can play the two and the three spot and can shoot the three ball. He is at 36% taking two a game. Him and Butler at the back up wings spots going forward is nice.

Who we add with the pick this summer is another plus, especially since we have ours as well.

[biggestbullsfan]

It's not a bad depth package if we're getting an additional first round pick. It obviously wont be the Bobcats pick, as that would completely go against the sole purpose of this trade.

Not necessarily. Supposedly, Charlotte's scouts told them to trade out of the draft this year.

Fair enough.

If it's the Bobcats current pick I'd be in.

It was just a report last week about scouts saying trade out of this years draft. But other than McLemore im not too excited about these players as Bulls. Shabazz Muhammad is overatted to me and we dont need anymore bigs. We need an offensive SG/SF if we are going to draft up in this draft.

[patryk7754]

Meh we can do better, don't trade

How can we do better? We're essentially trading Rip and Nazr for Thompson and Jimmer, then a future pick pick that might or might not be a top 10 pick for a 2013 pick that's pretty much guaranteed to be a top 5 pick.

Well, for us right now, RIP is more valuable than all of them. Then there's the 2014 cap space that would be ruined by a bench big man. Than there's the notion that this draft sucks and that we'll need thee young talent influx of the pick much more in a few years than we do right now.

This draft isn't that bad especially at the top. If we draft McLemore or Muhammad why would we need 2014 cap? If it's to sign Mirotic then we can amnesty Boozer and/or trade Taj. With McLemore and Mirotic we won't need to sign someone who will get big money.