Rumors: Bobcats, Bulls, Kings three-team discussions

[DanTown8587]

Yeah Tyreke would be nice, but I doubt he gets moved until after the sale... unless they really don't like him and know they don't want to resign him at all. I worry a bit about Tyreke on this current squad (he's not going to hit many threes for you) but his ability to attack would be nice.

I'd agree with that. Seems odd though that they'd be interested in Henderson, who is also going to be an RFA, unless they are looking at moving one of Evans or Thornton.

This trade makes a ton of sense for the Maloofs.

Let's say they are selling the team. To completely get rid of Thompson's contract is literally money going straight to them. No owner would say the team is worth less with Thompson off it, but the team would have less liabilities on the balance sheet.

[BIGGIEsmalls 23]

Yeah, none of that is worth a potential #1 pick in a couple years.

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Yep.

I thought that the goal was utilize assets (including the Bobcats pick) to obtain another star to lighten the load for Rose. These names in this thread are a bunch of back-up role players.

[PistolP]

I'd agree with that. Seems odd though that they'd be interested in Henderson, who is also going to be an RFA, unless they are looking at moving one of Evans or Thornton.

This trade makes a ton of sense for the Maloofs.

Let's say they are selling the team. To completely get rid of Thompson's contract is literally money going straight to them. No owner would say the team is worth less with Thompson off it, but the team would have less liabilities on the balance sheet.

If you are implying the Kings are just looking for a salary dump then we should just cut out the Bobcats and trade Rip+Nazr for Thompson and keep the pick. It sounded like they are interested in taking Henderson back, which is the part that does not make sense, considering Evans, Henderson and Thornton will all be paid like starters next season.

[Darius Miles Davis]

Yeah, none of that is worth a potential #1 pick in a couple years.

This

Yep.

I thought that the goal was utilize assets (including the Bobcats pick) to obtain another star to lighten the load for Rose. These names in this thread are a bunch of back-up role players.

The strength and future of the Bobcats' roster is at the 1 and at the 3. So we're not really good trading partners if we're getting their players. Thomson would help right now, but he's hardly a good enough reason to trade the very valuable Charlotte pick. In terms of other players on the Kings, I'd be interested in Tyreke Evans. I don't think Cousins is a great fit for the culture of the team. Otherwise, meh...

The Charlotte pick is potentially a huge asset. Charlotte knows this. That's why they want it back.

[League Circles]

This draft isn't that bad especially at the top. If we draft McLemore or Muhammad why would we need 2014 cap? If it's to sign Mirotic then we can amnesty Boozer and/or trade Taj. With McLemore and Mirotic we won't need to sign someone who will get big money.

If we were talking about trading for one of those guys instead of trading for a lower pick that would have a very low chance to get one of them, I'd agree. However, to get somebody like Muhammad, you're going to have to give up Noah+. I'm quite sure the Bobcats are looking to give us the Portland pick. Makes zero sense for them to give us their pick.

[VolumePoster]

This draft isn't that bad especially at the top. If we draft McLemore or Muhammad why would we need 2014 cap? If it's to sign Mirotic then we can amnesty Boozer and/or trade Taj. With McLemore and Mirotic we won't need to sign someone who will get big money.

If we were talking about trading for one of those guys instead of trading for a lower pick that would have a very low chance to get one of them, I'd agree. However, to get somebody like Muhammad, you're going to have to give up Noah+. I'm quite sure the Bobcats are looking to give us the Portland pick. Makes zero sense for them to give us their pick.

Agreed.

[patryk7754]

Yeah, none of that is worth a potential #1 pick in a couple years.

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The 2013 pick is more likely to be the #1 than the 2016 pick

[Chi town]

1. Bulls can't afford more than a 1st rounder or vet min backup C. Thompson at 6M per is laughable and highly lux taxable.

2. Bulls won't unload the CHA pick unless they are getting the best player in the trade. This is their chip to bring Rose his deputy either in a trade for a great player like Love in a bigger package or for a very high pick.

[patryk7754]

This draft isn't that bad especially at the top. If we draft McLemore or Muhammad why would we need 2014 cap? If it's to sign Mirotic then we can amnesty Boozer and/or trade Taj. With McLemore and Mirotic we won't need to sign someone who will get big money.

If we were talking about trading for one of those guys instead of trading for a lower pick that would have a very low chance to get one of them, I'd agree. However, to get somebody like Muhammad, you're going to have to give up Noah+. I'm quite sure the Bobcats are looking to give us the Portland pick. Makes zero sense for them to give us their pick.

I'd rather have our Cats pick over the Blazer''s pick but if we can get this years cats pick, which is said to be possible, the I do the trade.

[League Circles]

I'd rather have our Cats pick over the Blazer''s pick but if we can get this years cats pick, which is said to be possible, the I do the trade.

I don't know what is "said", but I do know that the Bobcats trading us a top 2 pick in this years draft just so they can keep their picks going forward after that is not believable to me. And if the bobcats do want to trade their pick this year, they can get a whole hell of a lot more for it than their protected pick back from us. They could probably get a young all-star caliber prospect easily. My understanding based on what I've heard is that Muhammad is as good of a prospect since maybe Lebron, though that's just my perception, I know nothing.

[Quinarvy]

If it's the 2013 Bobcats pick and not the Blazers pick do it immediately and run away before Charlotte changes their mind.

Thompson, Fredette, and a possible Top 5 pick this year for Rip and the Charlotte pick? Done deal.

We get Noah's backup.

Belli gets to start, Hinrich and Butler backup the two.

Fredette and Cook are good 3 point shooters to have, though that's about it.

Then the shot at McLemore or Shabazz? Either one of those could be the star you can put next to Rose. And if the pick is just short, trade the pick and the Bulls own pick to move up a spot or two. If it's not to low, see if you can trade Thompson + Bulls 2nd + Cash for a future second and draft Withey or a defensive big on a rookie contract with the Bulls pick.

But if it's the Portland pick, this whole thing is moot.

[patryk7754]

I'd rather have our Cats pick over the Blazer''s pick but if we can get this years cats pick, which is said to be possible, the I do the trade.

I don't know what is "said", but I do know that the Bobcats trading us a top 2 pick in this years draft just so they can keep their picks going forward after that is not believable to me. And if the bobcats do want to trade their pick this year, they can get a whole hell of a lot more for it than their protected pick back from us. They could probably get a young all-star caliber prospect easily. My understanding based on what I've heard is that Muhammad is as good of a prospect since maybe Lebron, though that's just my perception, I know nothing.

Talks are described as early, and a lot of different ideas are being tossed around. Along with Thompson, Kings guard Jimmer Fredette and a 2013 first round pick coming from Charlotte are on the table. The Bulls are being offered a combination of Thompson, Fredette and a 2013 first round pick from Charlotte. Bobcats swingman Jeffrey Taylor could also be substituted for Fredette in another scenario.

This is from the first page. If we get all that and all we give up is Rip and Muhammad and a future pick how do you not do that

[Reverse Dribble]

I'm not 100% sure, but doesn't our holding their "PROTECTED" draft pick restrict them from making any trades involving their own picks with any other team until we have collected. I believe the fact that you have to make a selection in atleast every other draft is what causes this.

That may be a huge reason why Charlotte would be willing to trade this year's pick. It would allow them the flexibility to do trades with other teams in the immediate future. Our holding the 2016 protected pick sort or handcuffs them...

I agree that they'd want to give up the Portland pick, but we hold a lot of leverage when dealing with Charlotte in particular, more than any other team when it comes to the protected pick.

[Chi town]

Its gotta be the POR pick which will end up being 13-15. There the Bulls would have to give Teague to get inside the top ten and get Goodwin. McLemore will be long gone.

Oladipo would probably be around at the pick though.

[League Circles]

I'd rather have our Cats pick over the Blazer''s pick but if we can get this years cats pick, which is said to be possible, the I do the trade.

I don't know what is "said", but I do know that the Bobcats trading us a top 2 pick in this years draft just so they can keep their picks going forward after that is not believable to me. And if the bobcats do want to trade their pick this year, they can get a whole hell of a lot more for it than their protected pick back from us. They could probably get a young all-star caliber prospect easily. My understanding based on what I've heard is that Muhammad is as good of a prospect since maybe Lebron, though that's just my perception, I know nothing.

Talks are described as early, and a lot of different ideas are being tossed around. Along with Thompson, Kings guard Jimmer Fredette and a 2013 first round pick coming from Charlotte are on the table. The Bulls are being offered a combination of Thompson, Fredette and a 2013 first round pick from Charlotte. Bobcats swingman Jeffrey Taylor could also be substituted for Fredette in another scenario.

This is from the first page. If we get all that and all we give up is Rip and Muhammad and a future pick how do you not do that

It says "a pick from Charlotte". That would have to be the Portland or Detroit pick they own. I doubt they can ever trade their own pick to us anyway right now, as WE already own it until they are mathematically eliminated from possibly being good enough for us to get it. And that's ignoring that it would be insane for them to trade what projects to be the #2 pick in their situation. The IDEAL scenario for Charlotte is that they draft Muhmmad or whoever with their pick and then become good enough that when we finally do get their pick it's a mid first.

[patryk7754]

It's unclear whether the Bulls would acquire the Bobcats own or Portland Trailblazers first round pick from the Gerald Wallace trade a few years ago. The Trailblazers pick is top-12 protected, and currently the Blazers have the 14th worst record in the league.

Also from the first page. Like it says, it's unclear what pick it is but if it is the Cats pick I don't see how you don't do it.

[kodo]

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball- ... --nba.html

Charlotte should deal its lottery pick, according to scouts, ‘no matter where it is'

The Observer consulted with two long-time scouts (neither connected to the Charlotte Bobcats) as conference seasons commence in the college game. Each works for a team likely to have a top-10 pick. Each spoke on condition of anonymity because neither is authorized by his employer to speak publicly on draft prospects.
While the two conversations were separate, each conveyed the same conclusion: This isn’t the year a franchise-changer will emerge from the draft process.
“I don’t think this is a good draft,” said one scout. “This is the year you should consider trading your draft pick — no matter where it is.”

That pick probably won’t go to Chicago until 2016, though, due to its massive protection. In the meantime, the Bobcats will also get Portland’s unprotected 2015 pick (assuming the Trail Blazers make the playoffs this year and next), and Detroit owes them a selection that becomes unprotected in 2016, while only having protection up to the top spot in the 2015 draft. This team isn’t hurting for selections, which to us means an unspectacular lottery choice in 2013 is passable.

FWIW I also think this draft is pretty bad. I'm not that impressed with either Shabazz or Noel, at least not as players to build a franchise around.

[Jimmy Forums]

Jason Thompson? No. We're set with Boozer and Taj, eventually Niko and Taj. Tyreke Evans, however, is being paid nearly an identical salary to one Tyreke Evans.

Bulls In: Tyreke Evans, Jeffrey Taylor, Bobcats 2013 1st rounder
Bulls Out: Rip Hamilton, Nazr Mohammed, Bobcats future pick

Kings In: Gerald Henderson, Nazr Mohammed
Kings Out: Tyreke Evans

Bobcats In: Rip Hamilton, Bobcats future pick.
Bobcats Out: Gerald Henderson, Jeffery Taylor

It looks pretty good to me, with the only snag possibly being Charlotte? For the Bulls though, we certainly get younger and more athletic. Lots of like Tyreke, lots of us salivated over Taylor pre-draft, and lots of us would like Charlotte's top pick this year.

[patryk7754]

If we do get the 2013 cats pick I would draft Mclemore.

[BullsFTW]

If the pick iz Charlotte's actual pick then I would be all over this. Doubt it is though.

Regarding how much the Bobcats want their pick back really bad, then they may give up their own pick in the end. I don't care for Jimmer, give me Thompson + CHA unprotected 2013 pick.