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Re: The Trade Thread 

Post#701 » by misterglover » Thu Jan 17, 2013 10:34 pm

Liver_Pooty wrote:Ticket sales are up 41%.


True, but have you been to a game recently?? most of those are from corporate sales and such.... I work for a certain cable provider that has there name on the arena and we bascially get free tix at will...... those tix are paid for, doesnt actually equate to asses in seats or fan support
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Re: The Trade Thread 

Post#702 » by Eoghan » Thu Jan 17, 2013 10:35 pm

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BrotherDave wrote:So is Rudy Gay gonna play PF? B/c we can overpay wings until we're blue in the face, it isn't gonna make us one iota better.


How can it make us worse?? Im sorry but I dont think MKG will every be anything more than a hard working role player, so we dont have any good wings. You gotta start somewhere and i dont really see what alot of ppl see in that i dont think Rudy is overpaid....seeing as how Memphis probably see Zach and then Gasol as there top 2 guys he's overpaid there as a 3rd option but would he be here really

By tying up our salary cap with a contract that's owed more than 16 million a year for 3 years. Too many bloated contracts keeps us from pursuing worthwhile contracts in FA sweepstakes. So unless you think Rudy Gay is the guy a la James Harden to build your team around you don't trade for him unless you can send some dead weight (Gordon, Tyrus) back.

This guy makes $19,317,326 in the year 2014-2015. I just want to make sure everyone is aware of that.
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Liver_Pooty wrote:I think the plan is not to necessarily try to be good until the '14-15 season.

I wonder what happens if we miss out on Andrew Wiggins in 2014. Do we tank another 2-3 years until we draft a superstar?


Draft Jabari Parker, Julius Randle or whomever. Hell next year with a seasoned Walker, an MKG in his 2nd year with a Muhammad/McLemore and a Biyombo that can catch a ball who knows what can happen.

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Re: The Trade Thread 

Post#703 » by Fred Williamson » Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:12 pm

the question is, will Biz ever be able to catch a ball. I doubt it.
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Re: The Trade Thread 

Post#704 » by catch20two » Fri Jan 18, 2013 2:53 am

I seen this on the Bulls board.

Red Larrivee wrote:Rumor Press

Earlier

As reported earlier this week on Rumor Press, the Charlotte Bobcats are interested in reacquiring their protected first round pick from the Tyrus Thomas trade. They’ve talked to the Bulls a few times and Bismack Biyombo was brought up in conversations. Biyombo has two years left on his rookie contract, but has underperformed for a Top-10 pick.

The Bulls have no interest in trading the Bobcats pick in return for a package built around Biyombo. The Bobcats are seeking a third team with a young, athletic big that they hope can interest the Bulls. We have no recent indication of the Bulls shopping the Bobcats pick, but dating back from last year, we know Charlotte wants the pick back.


The latest:

The Bobcats have sought the Sacramento Kings as a potential third team in their efforts to reacquire their first round pick from the Bulls, according to a source.

The Bobcats are trying to interest the Bulls in a young big man who could boost their frontline, like Kings forward Jason Thompson. Thompson is under contract through the 2017 season and is on the table for the Bulls. Thompson has started all 39 games for the Kings this season.

Talks are described as early, and a lot of different ideas are being tossed around. Along with Thompson, Kings guard Jimmer Fredette and a 2013 first round pick coming from Charlotte are on the table. The Bulls are being offered a combination of Thompson, Fredette and a 2013 first round pick from Charlotte. Bobcats swingman Jeffrey Taylor could also be substituted for Fredette in another scenario.

It's unclear whether the Bulls would acquire the Bobcats own or Portland Trailblazers first round pick from the Gerald Wallace trade a few years ago. The Trailblazers pick is top-12 protected, and currently the Blazers have the 14th worst record in the league.

The Kings are interested in Bobcats guard Gerald Henderson. Henderson, who is a restricted free agent this summer, was not offered an extension by Charlotte before the RFA deadline.

Bulls guard Rip Hamilton and center Nazr Mohammed have also been brought up in discussions. In the discussions, Mohammed would go to Sacramento along with Henderson, while Hamilton would go to Charlotte with the Bobcats first round pick from the Bulls.

One deal that works under the CBA (but we don't know if the teams have proposed) would have the Bulls take Jason Thompson, Jeffrey Taylor or Jimmer Fredette, along with a pick from Charlotte, the Bobcats get Rip Hamilton and their pick back from the Bulls, and the Kings taking Gerald Henderson and Nazr Mohammed.
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Re: The Trade Thread 

Post#705 » by HornetJail » Fri Jan 18, 2013 3:08 am

Jesus Christ. That's a lot for a 10-20 pick in the 2015 draft.

Is this made up? No way Cho would even consider trading Biz right now. As for the deal proposed at the bottom of that post: We'd give up Henderson and Jeff AND take back salary that would probably refuse to play for us and would have to be bought out so he could play for a contender, all to get a mediocre pick back? Screw it, let them have their damn pick. I'd probably consider if we were getting Jason Thompson though.

What the heck would Jason Thompson do on the Bulls who already have Noah, Booz, and a newly extended Gibson? Play as the 4th big? Booz has actually been pretty good for them this year.

What would Sacramento do with Henderson??? They have Tyreke and Thornton already creating a log jam at that position!

If this is legit, there is only one possible explanation: we are trying to trade our 2013 1st and currently can't do it since we owe the pick to Chicago.
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Re: The Trade Thread 

Post#706 » by Bassman » Fri Jan 18, 2013 3:40 am

Do not presume that the Cats value Biz as much as many of you do. He still has just enough "raw w/potential" that maybe some team will value him in a deal. If he continues to show poor progress his stock will fall much faster

But my question is WHY we would make a deal for Thompson and NOT KEEP HIM? Jason Thompson would be an excellent choice for THIS TEAM. He's got good size and skill, has a reasonable contract. What's not to like??
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Re: The Trade Thread 

Post#707 » by JGib23 » Fri Jan 18, 2013 4:37 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:
Ticket sales are up 41%.


Where does that number come from?

Reported attendance is up around 600 per game this season, which coincidentally is around the number of season tickets they sold for $2 per game...

http://www.rufusonfire.com/2013/1/16/38 ... ee-tickets
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Post#708 » by blackham9258 » Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:35 am

Jazz fan here: If we structured a trade with you who would you rather have?

Al Jefferson or Millsap?

Al Jefferson would be the most likely to resign.

Would you trade your pick unprotected if we took back a contract?
Would you trade your Detroit pick for either player and just swapping expirings but giving you a true 20/10 guy on your team in the east... you choose Al or Paul.
Would you trade the Portland pick along with either of the other two with any combination of Al or Paul and contract dumping on us?
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Re: The Trade Thread 

Post#709 » by Liver_Pooty » Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:47 am

JGib23 wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:
Ticket sales are up 41%.


Where does that number come from?

Reported attendance is up around 600 per game this season, which coincidentally is around the number of season tickets they sold for $2 per game...

http://www.rufusonfire.com/2013/1/16/38 ... ee-tickets


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Re: The Trade Thread 

Post#710 » by JMAC3 » Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:54 am

blackham9258 wrote:Jazz fan here: If we structured a trade with you who would you rather have?

Al Jefferson or Millsap?

Al Jefferson would be the most likely to resign.

Would you trade your pick unprotected if we took back a contract?
Would you trade your Detroit pick for either player and just swapping expirings but giving you a true 20/10 guy on your team in the east... you choose Al or Paul.
Would you trade the Portland pick along with either of the other two with any combination of Al or Paul and contract dumping on us?


Why would we risk them not resigning with us, which is pretty likely they wouldn't, for half a season of production when we are out everything. We would be better off using our draft pick and hoping to lure one of them through free agency with our cap room gained from an expiring contracts of Diop, Henderson, Reggie, and Mullens, which adds up to around 15 million. My preference would be try and throw most of that money at Millsap and hope he signs with us. Also, hopefully we could get a steal with Portland pick such as McAdoo or Caully-Stein

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Re: The Trade Thread 

Post#711 » by JGib23 » Fri Jan 18, 2013 1:41 pm

Liver_Pooty wrote:
JGib23 wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:
Ticket sales are up 41%.


Where does that number come from?

Reported attendance is up around 600 per game this season, which coincidentally is around the number of season tickets they sold for $2 per game...

http://www.rufusonfire.com/2013/1/16/38 ... ee-tickets


Lol. Ben Swanson

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I have no clue who Ben Swanson is.. I googled Bobcats attendance increase and that article was in there... he had good points that I forgot about... Buy one get one free and also free tickets to everyone in attendance because Kemba hit a 3 pointer....

I ask again, where did your comment about ticket sales being up 41% come from? Unless the Bobcats were giving away about 6,000 tickets to every game last season- it's impossible that ticket sales are up 41% because the attendance #'s don't support the claim.
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Post#712 » by Radu_Hornets » Fri Jan 18, 2013 2:37 pm

Any news with the trade involving the Cats/Bulls/Kings ?
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Re: The Trade Thread 

Post#713 » by misterglover » Fri Jan 18, 2013 2:40 pm

JGib23 wrote:I have no clue who Ben Swanson is.. I googled Bobcats attendance increase and that article was in there... he had good points that I forgot about... Buy one get one free and also free tickets to everyone in attendance because Kemba hit a 3 pointer....

I ask again, where did your comment about ticket sales being up 41% come from? Unless the Bobcats were giving away about 6,000 tickets to every game last season- it's impossible that ticket sales are up 41% because the attendance #'s don't support the claim.


See my post from earlier....those sales come from corporate sponsors and promotions like the $2 draft pick sale and buy one get on free promotions....we did great on our tix renewals but one look at the arena during a game lets you know tix sales havent increased that much as it relates to attendance
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Re: The Trade Thread 

Post#714 » by BigSlam » Fri Jan 18, 2013 3:09 pm

blackham9258 wrote:Jazz fan here: If we structured a trade with you who would you rather have?

Al Jefferson or Millsap?

Kanter.

Would you trade your pick unprotected if we took back a contract?
Would you trade your Detroit pick for either player and just swapping expirings but giving you a true 20/10 guy on your team in the east... you choose Al or Paul.
Would you trade the Portland pick along with either of the other two with any combination of Al or Paul and contract dumping on us

I'd give you our unprotected pick this year for him.
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Re: The Trade Thread 

Post#715 » by JGib23 » Fri Jan 18, 2013 3:16 pm

misterglover wrote:
JGib23 wrote:I have no clue who Ben Swanson is.. I googled Bobcats attendance increase and that article was in there... he had good points that I forgot about... Buy one get one free and also free tickets to everyone in attendance because Kemba hit a 3 pointer....

I ask again, where did your comment about ticket sales being up 41% come from? Unless the Bobcats were giving away about 6,000 tickets to every game last season- it's impossible that ticket sales are up 41% because the attendance #'s don't support the claim.


See my post from earlier....those sales come from corporate sponsors and promotions like the $2 draft pick sale and buy one get on free promotions....we did great on our tix renewals but one look at the arena during a game lets you know tix sales havent increased that much as it relates to attendance



Doing great on season ticket renewals doesn't equate to a 41% increase in ticket sales.... Attendance is basically flat despite all the creative concepts that have been deployed.

Not enough people are going to the games and not enough people care about the team.
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Post#716 » by BobsBuddy » Fri Jan 18, 2013 3:20 pm

:o :o :oops: :oops: :roll: :roll: :wavefinger: Even though we have 2 more wins than Washington,we still suck so bad that all the other divisions bottom feeders are pulling away from us. If we do nothing we still should have top 3 2013 and 2014 lottery picks that give us a chance at Muhammad to replace Henderson or Zellar/Noel in 2013 and Wiggins , Parker,Harrison in 2014. I think our 2014 pick is top 5 protected..maybe top 8 with Chicago.
Thus said by 2014 we will have allot of cap room and or trade pieces with Sessions, Gordon, and Mullins expring contracts. Also 2014 will be a contract year for TT which might produce better stats.Starting the 2014-2015 season,the renamed Charlotte Hornets could look like:
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We then lose our 1st round pick in 2015 to Chicago ,but pick up Detroits
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Re: The Trade Thread 

Post#717 » by BlackOutBuzz » Fri Jan 18, 2013 3:24 pm

The 41 percent thing wasn't on sales, it was the amount PRICES increased on the secondary market. Sorry to burst any bubbles, but I guess it's nice that people are willing to pay more to see the Cats.

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Re: The Trade Thread 

Post#718 » by JGib23 » Fri Jan 18, 2013 4:12 pm

BlackOutBobcat wrote:The 41 percent thing wasn't on sales, it was the amount PRICES increased on the secondary market. Sorry to burst any bubbles, but I guess it's nice that people are willing to pay more to see the Cats.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/22 ... ast_Season



Oh ok... I guess that's good but, it does zero to help the Bobcats make money and run a successful franchise.

I'm guessing this can be largely impacted by someone who pays $2 for a season ticket priced game and is able to sell it on the secondary market for $10 to a big game and that represents a 500% increase...

It's great that a ticket scalper is able to make some money, I'm much more interested in the team making money and being able to stay in Charlotte long term.
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Re: The Trade Thread 

Post#719 » by misterglover » Fri Jan 18, 2013 4:38 pm

JGib thats the point i was trying to make...i was trying to agree w/ you, our tix sales havent increased much, and both attendance & interest are waning which is why i originally said i think we both should and are interested in getting a Rudy Gay or some name talent sooner rather than later cuz winning 7 games or maybe 15-20 this year isnt gonna help the bottom line which is what MJ has to ultimately care about in addition to winning
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Post#720 » by JGib23 » Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:14 pm

misterglover wrote:JGib thats the point i was trying to make...i was trying to agree w/ you, our tix sales havent increased much, and both attendance & interest are waning which is why i originally said i think we both should and are interested in getting a Rudy Gay or some name talent sooner rather than later cuz winning 7 games or maybe 15-20 this year isnt gonna help the bottom line which is what MJ has to ultimately care about in addition to winning



I wasn't arguing.. I was trying to support your point on attendance... I would love to have Gay but, the contract is just too big.

I'd rather draft Shabazz or Ben and use the cap space to sign a big... I think an experienced big (Jefferson) & a rookie SG would be better than Gay and a rookie frontcourt player.

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