The Trade Thread

[JMAC3]

Wow this thread has gotten off topic

[Eoghan]

Jazz fan here: If we structured a trade with you who would you rather have?

Al Jefferson or Millsap?

Kanter.

Would you trade your pick unprotected if we took back a contract?
Would you trade your Detroit pick for either player and just swapping expirings but giving you a true 20/10 guy on your team in the east... you choose Al or Paul.
Would you trade the Portland pick along with either of the other two with any combination of Al or Paul and contract dumping on us

I'd give you our unprotected pick this year for him.

I'm not sure if Millsap or Jefferson wouldn't be better for us. Kanter and Favors have their obvious appeal but we can't go too young, we need to have some vets that can actually still play to help bring our kittens along. Neither one of those guys are that old. I'd probably go with Jefferson b/c he fits our needs better and his game should age like fine wine. I wouldn't give up our 2013 pick but the Portland pick and whoever (Hendo, expirings, etc). I'm sure Jazz fans would want more back but I'd play hardball if I were Cho.

[HornetJail]

I'm not sure if Millsap or Jefferson wouldn't be better for us. Kanter and Favors have their obvious appeal but we can't go too young, we need to have some vets that can actually still play to help bring our kittens along. Neither one of those guys are that old. I'd probably go with Jefferson b/c he fits our needs better and his game should age like fine wine. I wouldn't give up our 2013 pick but the Portland pick and whoever (Hendo, expirings, etc). I'm sure Jazz fans would want more back but I'd play hardball if I were Cho.

We need Jefferson or Favors so badly. I just wouldn't give up anything for Al without a guaranteed extension. Favors? Sign me up, but if the Jazz organization is anything like their fanbase here in terms of valuing him, forget it. Idgaf how young we are. Better to fuel the tank for another year or two, gain draft picks. By that time, Biz probably is showing real signs, MKG, Kemba, and some other young guys are starting to be legit, and we'll have a potential playoff team in 2015 with more young talent drafted high in 13-14 (Wiggins please!) to eventually get us in contention.

[Eoghan]

So you're in the super tank camp. I dunno, I feel like 3rd year improvement of Kemba and Biz, improvement of Mully and MKG and the addition of our top 5 pick (and maybe the Portland pick) this year might be enough talent to pull us out of the cellar just enough to deny us Wiggins.

[HornetJail]

So you're in the super tank camp. I dunno, I feel like 3rd year improvement of Kemba and Biz, improvement of Mully and MKG and the addition of our top 5 pick (and maybe the Portland pick) this year might be enough talent to pull us out of the cellar just enough to deny us Wiggins.

Like I said before, I want to cash in on the 2014 draft rather than the weaker 2013 one. I don't care how long it takes or how we do it, I just want a really elite talent. There isn't one in this draft unless Shabazz or Zeller REALLY breaks out this year. I either want to trade our pick for a better chance at a really high pick in 2014 (that we can package for a higher one still, since we might already have 3 mid-to-high 1sts that year) or a young player with superstar potential like Cousins (I know it sounds like a broken record).

I don't know how much the players hate the tank and I hate it too, but the rebuilding project isn't over until we have multiple players with star potential. Right now we have one that looks like a future all-star in MKG and one that may become one at some point in Kemba. Every contender has a superstar (face it, it's true) and we don't have one and can't get one with a 2013 pick.

[countryboi]

The Bobcats have sought the Sacramento Kings as a potential third team in their efforts to reacquire their first round pick from the Bulls, according to a source.

The Bobcats are trying to interest the Bulls in a young big man who could boost their frontline, like Kings forward Jason Thompson. Thompson is under contract through the 2017 season and is on the table for the Bulls. Thompson has started all 39 games for the Kings this season.

Talks are described as early, and a lot of different ideas are being tossed around. Along with Thompson, Kings guard Jimmer Fredette and a 2013 first round pick coming from Charlotte are on the table. The Bulls are being offered a combination of Thompson, Fredette and a 2013 first round pick from Charlotte. Bobcats swingman Jeffrey Taylor could also be substituted for Fredette in another scenario.

It's unclear whether the Bulls would acquire the Bobcats own or Portland Trailblazers first round pick from the Gerald Wallace trade a few years ago. The Trailblazers pick is top-12 protected, and currently the Blazers have the 14th worst record in the league.

The Kings are interested in Bobcats guard Gerald Henderson. Henderson, who is a restricted free agent this summer, was not offered an extension by Charlotte before the RFA deadline.

Bulls guard Rip Hamilton and center Nazr Mohammed have also been brought up in discussions. In the discussions, Mohammed would go to Sacramento along with Henderson, while Hamilton would go to Charlotte with the Bobcats first round pick from the Bulls.

One deal that works under the CBA (but we don't know if the teams have proposed) would have the Bulls take Jason Thompson, Jeffrey Taylor or Jimmer Fredette, along with a pick from Charlotte, the Bobcats get Rip Hamilton and their pick back from the Bulls, and the Kings taking Gerald Henderson and Nazr Mohammed.

from the Bulls Board

[catch20two]

Chad Ford: Trade Watch: Who's on the block? (ESPN Insider)
Breaking down 10 top players who could be on the move before the deadline

Impact Players Most Likely To Be Moved
(Ranked from most likely to least likely to be traded)


1. Josh Smith, F, Hawks
Smith has been on the trade block for several years, but the Hawks always pull back at the last second. Once again Smith is the talk of the NBA after he was thrown out of practice Tuesday and suspended for Wednesday's game against Brooklyn. His agent says Smith is frustrated, but hasn't demanded a trade.

The Hawks have been fielding calls, but have been reluctant to trade him because they believe Smith's presence in Atlanta could be a powerful lure for Dwight Howard this summer. But with Howard's situation up in the air, the time seems right for the Hawks and Smith to move on. Dallas, Houston, Boston, Milwaukee, Toronto and the Lakers are all potential suitors. The biggest question is: What is the price tag for a mercurial forward who is entering his prime and will be a free agent this summer?


2. Rudy Gay, F, Grizzlies
The fact that Memphis has been exploring trades for Gay has been well-documented. The team has to start cutting payroll, and Gay, while talented, seems to be its best trade chip. The Grizzlies aren't parting with Marc Gasol, and Zach Randolph and Mike Conley aren't going to bring back the assets (draft picks, young players or vets on less expensive contracts) the Grizzlies are looking for.

The Grizzlies have recently pulled back a bit on the Gay sweepstakes because they haven't been blown away by what teams are willing to offer in return. But trade offers inevitably get stronger as we get closer to the deadline, and many GMs around the league believe the Grizzlies will eventually get what they want in mid-February. The Wizards, Clippers, Magic and Mavs have all shown interest in Gay.


3. Al Jefferson, F/C, Jazz
The one thing I know about the Jazz is that we're not going to know about any Jefferson deal until the Jazz hand him a plane ticket. The Jazz are as secretive an organization as there is and they've been tight-lipped about their trade plans this season. But virtually every GM in the league believes the Jazz are moving one of their two big men -- either Jefferson or Paul Millsap. Because Millsap is a favorite of the team, Jefferson could be the odd man out.

The team needs to clear more playing time for Derrick Favors and Enes Kanter and would probably be happy with a nice draft pick or a young point guard prospect in return.


4. Danny Granger, F, Pacers
Granger has missed the entire season with a knee injury, but the Pacers are eyeing his return in late January or early February. If they can get him back into the swing of things quickly -- and get his trade value up -- expect them to try to flip him fast now that Paul George has replaced Granger as the alpha dog of the team.

Indiana needs a long-term replacement for David West, who becomes an unrestricted free agent this summer. So if the Pacers could get a young power forward or another young point guard for Granger, I would expect them to make a deal.


5. Marcin Gortat, C, Suns
The Suns are a mess and there's no clear way to fix this team right now. They parted ways with coach Alvin Gentry on Friday, but Gentry wasn't the person who put together this mismatch of assets, and it's highly doubtful any coach is going to make a major turnaround. The Suns are going to need to make some trades. The truth is there aren't a lot of players on their roster with a ton of trade value.

Gortat may be the exception. Teams are always looking for tough, productive big men. If the Suns decide to blow things up and try to collect young assets, I think they can get a draft pick and a young prospect in return for Gortat. Boston, Milwaukee and Atlanta are all on speed dial.


6. Andrea Bargnani, F/C, Raptors
GM Bryan Colangelo loves Bargnani, whom he selected with the No. 1 pick in the 2006 draft. That's the only reason the Italian big man wasn't shipped away years ago. At various times in Bargnani's career, Colangelo has compared the sweet-shooting big man to Dirk Nowitzki. The problem is that Bargnani hasn't come close to living up to that comparison.

If the Raptors can package Bargnani and point guard Jose Calderon for picks and expiring contracts, they could be major players in free agency next summer. Or perhaps they try again to ship them to the Lakers in return for Pau Gasol. Colangelo may no longer have the patience to wait on more rookies to turn the team around.


7. Brandon Jennings, PG, Bucks
The Bucks have been among the most active teams in the league when it comes to trade calls. It doesn't look like anyone on their roster is safe. While my esteemed colleague Marc Stein wrote recently that Jennings was the least likely Buck to be moved, I'm not so sure.

Jennings hits restricted free agency this summer and, with a plethora of teams under the cap, someone is going to make him a big offer. Jennings would prefer a trade, and the Bucks aren't going to want to break the bank for him, so the team has been open to parting ways if they can get a point guard and big man in return.


8. Eric Bledsoe, PG, Clippers
The Clippers don't want to trade Bledsoe. Not only has he been a terrific sparkplug off the bench for them, he's also been valuable insurance for those occasions when Chris Paul is out with injury. Furthermore, Bledsoe is even better insurance should Paul decide to bolt for another team this summer when he hits free agency.

The problem is there is almost no chance that Bledsoe is wearing a Clippers uniform next year. A restricted free agent in the summer of 2014, he will get a major offer from a team under the cap and the Clippers already know they won't be able to afford to match it. With so many teams coveting Bledsoe, the Clippers could get some terrific assets in return -- either now or this summer. But with his stock probably as high as it's ever going to be, now may be the time to make a deal. It's a very tough call, but a number of GMs I spoke with are convinced that at the end of the day the Clippers will try to get some value in return for him before the deadline.


9. DeMarcus Cousins, C, Kings
Several GMs have told me that their calls to the Kings about Cousins' availability are being rebuffed. With the team currently for sale, it makes sense that president of basketball operations Geoff Petrie's hands are tied, even if he wants to trade Cousins.

The reason he's on the list is because Cousins seems like he's one more incident away from forcing a trade. Given his background and desire for a new team, that's not out of the question. There are a lot of teams, including the Mavs, Rockets, Celtics and Suns, ready to help take Cousins off the Kings' hands.


10. Rajon Rondo, PG, Celtics
Rondo actually sat atop our trade list last year and ended up going nowhere. President of basketball operations Danny Ainge has been out front this year claiming it doesn't make sense to move Rondo or any of the other Celtics veterans. They're going for a championship. Fair enough. Other GMs around the league report the Celtics are looking to shore up their team with a veteran big man.

However, I'm also hearing that Ainge has been quietly exploring other options should his quest to strengthen his team fail. If a team offers significant young assets for Rondo or Paul Pierce, this might be the year the Celtics finally blow things up.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/ ... yers-block

I'm interested in Josh Smith, Rudy Gay, Al Jefferson, Marcin Gortat, and DeMarcus Cousins for us.

[Eoghan]

This is how I see the Bobcats shaping up:
By start of next year:
Kemba/Sessions
Shabazz or McLemore/Gordon/Hendo
MKG/Taylor
Free Agent*/Mullens/Tyrus
Bismack/Haywood

Minus Warrick (team option) and Adrien (non-guaranteed) and assuming Mullens and Hendo take their QOs and Gordon opts in to his Players Option, The Bobcats will have $14,967,390 to spend on rookies and FAs in 2013-2014, to reach the salary cap minimum. Assuming we don't get Portland's pick, ~10-15M for a FA.

*FAs= Josh Smith, Nikola Pekovic (R), David West, Al Jefferson, Paul Millsap, JJ Hickson, Chris Kaman, Mozgov, Splitter (R)

We have to add some salary to meet the floor next year and unless Cho wheels and deals us into taking another bad contract like Gordon's, a proper tank for Wiggins just seems a bit of a tall task b/c the roster above is vastly improved any way you slice it.

[Fred Williamson]

Steve Kyler ‏@stevekylerNBA
You can go ahead and count the Charlotte Bobcats as one of the teams that are "aggressively" pursuing Rudy Gay -- may not have enough

please don't

The normally passive Bobcats are looking for deals. They may depart from the "build it through the draft" mode for the right player.

[Radu_Hornets]

Chad Ford: Trade Watch: Who's on the block? (ESPN Insider)
Breaking down 10 top players who could be on the move before the deadline

Impact Players Most Likely To Be Moved
(Ranked from most likely to least likely to be traded)


1. Josh Smith, F, Hawks
Smith has been on the trade block for several years, but the Hawks always pull back at the last second. Once again Smith is the talk of the NBA after he was thrown out of practice Tuesday and suspended for Wednesday's game against Brooklyn. His agent says Smith is frustrated, but hasn't demanded a trade.

The Hawks have been fielding calls, but have been reluctant to trade him because they believe Smith's presence in Atlanta could be a powerful lure for Dwight Howard this summer. But with Howard's situation up in the air, the time seems right for the Hawks and Smith to move on. Dallas, Houston, Boston, Milwaukee, Toronto and the Lakers are all potential suitors. The biggest question is: What is the price tag for a mercurial forward who is entering his prime and will be a free agent this summer?


2. Rudy Gay, F, Grizzlies
The fact that Memphis has been exploring trades for Gay has been well-documented. The team has to start cutting payroll, and Gay, while talented, seems to be its best trade chip. The Grizzlies aren't parting with Marc Gasol, and Zach Randolph and Mike Conley aren't going to bring back the assets (draft picks, young players or vets on less expensive contracts) the Grizzlies are looking for.

The Grizzlies have recently pulled back a bit on the Gay sweepstakes because they haven't been blown away by what teams are willing to offer in return. But trade offers inevitably get stronger as we get closer to the deadline, and many GMs around the league believe the Grizzlies will eventually get what they want in mid-February. The Wizards, Clippers, Magic and Mavs have all shown interest in Gay.


3. Al Jefferson, F/C, Jazz
The one thing I know about the Jazz is that we're not going to know about any Jefferson deal until the Jazz hand him a plane ticket. The Jazz are as secretive an organization as there is and they've been tight-lipped about their trade plans this season. But virtually every GM in the league believes the Jazz are moving one of their two big men -- either Jefferson or Paul Millsap. Because Millsap is a favorite of the team, Jefferson could be the odd man out.

The team needs to clear more playing time for Derrick Favors and Enes Kanter and would probably be happy with a nice draft pick or a young point guard prospect in return.


4. Danny Granger, F, Pacers
Granger has missed the entire season with a knee injury, but the Pacers are eyeing his return in late January or early February. If they can get him back into the swing of things quickly -- and get his trade value up -- expect them to try to flip him fast now that Paul George has replaced Granger as the alpha dog of the team.

Indiana needs a long-term replacement for David West, who becomes an unrestricted free agent this summer. So if the Pacers could get a young power forward or another young point guard for Granger, I would expect them to make a deal.


5. Marcin Gortat, C, Suns
The Suns are a mess and there's no clear way to fix this team right now. They parted ways with coach Alvin Gentry on Friday, but Gentry wasn't the person who put together this mismatch of assets, and it's highly doubtful any coach is going to make a major turnaround. The Suns are going to need to make some trades. The truth is there aren't a lot of players on their roster with a ton of trade value.

Gortat may be the exception. Teams are always looking for tough, productive big men. If the Suns decide to blow things up and try to collect young assets, I think they can get a draft pick and a young prospect in return for Gortat. Boston, Milwaukee and Atlanta are all on speed dial.


6. Andrea Bargnani, F/C, Raptors
GM Bryan Colangelo loves Bargnani, whom he selected with the No. 1 pick in the 2006 draft. That's the only reason the Italian big man wasn't shipped away years ago. At various times in Bargnani's career, Colangelo has compared the sweet-shooting big man to Dirk Nowitzki. The problem is that Bargnani hasn't come close to living up to that comparison.

If the Raptors can package Bargnani and point guard Jose Calderon for picks and expiring contracts, they could be major players in free agency next summer. Or perhaps they try again to ship them to the Lakers in return for Pau Gasol. Colangelo may no longer have the patience to wait on more rookies to turn the team around.


7. Brandon Jennings, PG, Bucks
The Bucks have been among the most active teams in the league when it comes to trade calls. It doesn't look like anyone on their roster is safe. While my esteemed colleague Marc Stein wrote recently that Jennings was the least likely Buck to be moved, I'm not so sure.

Jennings hits restricted free agency this summer and, with a plethora of teams under the cap, someone is going to make him a big offer. Jennings would prefer a trade, and the Bucks aren't going to want to break the bank for him, so the team has been open to parting ways if they can get a point guard and big man in return.


8. Eric Bledsoe, PG, Clippers
The Clippers don't want to trade Bledsoe. Not only has he been a terrific sparkplug off the bench for them, he's also been valuable insurance for those occasions when Chris Paul is out with injury. Furthermore, Bledsoe is even better insurance should Paul decide to bolt for another team this summer when he hits free agency.

The problem is there is almost no chance that Bledsoe is wearing a Clippers uniform next year. A restricted free agent in the summer of 2014, he will get a major offer from a team under the cap and the Clippers already know they won't be able to afford to match it. With so many teams coveting Bledsoe, the Clippers could get some terrific assets in return -- either now or this summer. But with his stock probably as high as it's ever going to be, now may be the time to make a deal. It's a very tough call, but a number of GMs I spoke with are convinced that at the end of the day the Clippers will try to get some value in return for him before the deadline.


9. DeMarcus Cousins, C, Kings
Several GMs have told me that their calls to the Kings about Cousins' availability are being rebuffed. With the team currently for sale, it makes sense that president of basketball operations Geoff Petrie's hands are tied, even if he wants to trade Cousins.

The reason he's on the list is because Cousins seems like he's one more incident away from forcing a trade. Given his background and desire for a new team, that's not out of the question. There are a lot of teams, including the Mavs, Rockets, Celtics and Suns, ready to help take Cousins off the Kings' hands.


10. Rajon Rondo, PG, Celtics
Rondo actually sat atop our trade list last year and ended up going nowhere. President of basketball operations Danny Ainge has been out front this year claiming it doesn't make sense to move Rondo or any of the other Celtics veterans. They're going for a championship. Fair enough. Other GMs around the league report the Celtics are looking to shore up their team with a veteran big man.

However, I'm also hearing that Ainge has been quietly exploring other options should his quest to strengthen his team fail. If a team offers significant young assets for Rondo or Paul Pierce, this might be the year the Celtics finally blow things up.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/ ... yers-block

I'm interested in Josh Smith, Rudy Gay, Al Jefferson, Marcin Gortat, and DeMarcus Cousins for us.

Interesting !
I've been wondering if the "ESPN insider" account does worth its money ?
Because I hand out a french website about NBA and I thought we can get lots of good information there...

[SWedd523]

Every year we get that damn "the normally passive Bobcats" ****.


We've been one of the most active teams on the trade market for a long time now. It seems like we make at least one trade of some sort every year

It should read, "A team I normally don't give a **** about is rumored to be..."

[-Ian-]

Rick Bonnell ‏@rick_bonnell
In Sunday's Observer: Bobcats' Higgins on trade deadline -- "I don't think there's any limits on what we'd try to do."

Rick Bonnell ‏@rick_bonnell
The big rumor links Bobcats to Rudy Gay. But at what price? Gay makes $17.9M next season and $19.3M following season. (More)

Rick Bonnell ‏@rick_bonnell
Would Bobcats absorb all that salary (Memphis has a luxury tax problem) and send mucho assets to Grizzlies?

Rick Bonnell ‏@rick_bonnell
I'm confident Grizzlies dropped Bobcats' name to tell Wizards they might have competition for Gay. An old trick.

I'm kinda confused. Who is really calling the shots here? Is it Rich Cho or Rod Higgins or both?

[SWedd523]

Simply taking on Gay's massive salary is giving them assets. We shouldn't have to add much more to any deal that helps their bottom line that much.

If they want additional assets (picks, young players, etc) then they'd need to take a lesser bad contract. That means The Virus.


Gordon, Diop for Gay, Speights. No picks, no assets. They get to remove a ton of salary and keep the rest of their guys on the roster without paying a huge tax.

[James Gatz]

I'm a lot more okay with a Gay trade if it ships out the contracts of Gordon or Thomas. Gay for 5 mil more a year over Gordon is a huge upgrade.

[BobsBuddy]

HUM???????????? Trade Checker 6208410 Biz and our 2013 unprotected 1st round pick for Cousins ? Could Dunlap and MJ control him? I think the Kings might be interested in this? There are 4 centers going to go top 7 in 2013 draft.Kings would have 2 picks in top 5.

[catch20two]

If Cho can swing a deal with Tyrus Thomas for Rudy Gay without giving up any picks he should get GM Of The Year. Although I'm pretty sure that the Grizzlies are probably more interested in the possibility of getting Ben Gordon's offensive repertoire to use in their current playoff run. I love the idea of having Rudy on our team in the East because I believe he would flourish as a 20+ PPG player, making his contract a little more worthwhile than with Memphis where he's a equal opportunity scorer.

[Eoghan]

It would be really queer if we acquired Gay. Dude doesn't scream "take a team over the top" to me. Seems like we'd just be putting one foot back on the treadmill.

[Radu_Hornets]

I'm clearly in for Rudy if he's not too expensive. But no way we can ship Tyrus and get Rudy ... They want to send him because of his salary.
If we trade with the Grizz, Gana will surely be sent ! His 7M ending salary is just what the grizz are looking for !

[Eoghan]

I read a source that Memphis is looking for a young SF on a cheaper contract in addition to cap space.

If there is any truth to that and Memphis isn't crazy about Taylor, it could mean that MKG has to go.

http://sulia.com/channel/san-antonio-spurs/f/80d32407-8141-4bae-90cb-93bc250ff755/?source=twitter

[catch20two]

I read a source that Memphis is looking for a young SF on a cheaper contract in addition to cap space.

If there is any truth to that and Memphis isn't crazy about Taylor, it could mean that MKG has to go.

I sure hope not.