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Preparing for Playoffs
Yahoo, 10 cat (fg%, ft%, 3pt, pts, reb, ast, st, blk, to), 13 players, H2H (3 of 8)
I was looking to improve my team for the latter half of the season and the playoffs. Granger and Bynum are still on the waiver wire as well. Should I look into picking them up and stashing them until they come back?
My team:
PG - Holiday, Rondo, Dragic
SG - Thompson, Gordon, Dudley
SF - Lebron, Kirilenko, Batum
PF - Bosh, Vucevic
C - M Gasol, B Lopez
Rebounds have been hit or miss and steals as each week. Anybody I should look to trade? Holiday perhaps if Bynum is coming back? Gasol hasn't been too hot either.
I was looking to improve my team for the latter half of the season and the playoffs. Granger and Bynum are still on the waiver wire as well. Should I look into picking them up and stashing them until they come back?
My team:
PG - Holiday, Rondo, Dragic
SG - Thompson, Gordon, Dudley
SF - Lebron, Kirilenko, Batum
PF - Bosh, Vucevic
C - M Gasol, B Lopez
Rebounds have been hit or miss and steals as each week. Anybody I should look to trade? Holiday perhaps if Bynum is coming back? Gasol hasn't been too hot either.
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Don't trade Gasol or Holiday. Holiday has been a monster the last 2 weeks and even if Bynum comes back that won't affect Jrues production, Bynum only takes shots 3 feet from the basket anyways. Gasol is just slumping a bit.
Honestly, your team is amazing and I have no idea how you aren't in first. You have 5 guys in the top 15, thats insane.
Things I would do:
Move Gordon. who is available on the wire? Try to maybe package Gordon and Thompson for a better SG - someone like Joe Johnson, or Kevin Martin (unlikely to get him that cheap, although he has been slumping quite a bit so owner might be frustrated).
But seriously, how are you not in first?
If you can't make a trade like I suggested, drop Gordon and pick up Granger before someone else does. I would forget about Bynum this year, if he comes back he will probably get injured again.
Honestly, your team is amazing and I have no idea how you aren't in first. You have 5 guys in the top 15, thats insane.
Things I would do:
Move Gordon. who is available on the wire? Try to maybe package Gordon and Thompson for a better SG - someone like Joe Johnson, or Kevin Martin (unlikely to get him that cheap, although he has been slumping quite a bit so owner might be frustrated).
But seriously, how are you not in first?
If you can't make a trade like I suggested, drop Gordon and pick up Granger before someone else does. I would forget about Bynum this year, if he comes back he will probably get injured again.
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There are only 8 people in our league and we're pretty much new to the Fantasy basketball scene except like two people. So if you look at it each team is pretty solid.
I'm in trade talks to swap Holiday for CP3, but he said he would sleep on it.
I also offered Holiday + M. Gasol or B. Lopez for CP3 + Aldridge
This guy is tearing it up right now and is in 1st, but I beat him 7-1 last week
Another offer I got was Holiday for Ibaka or
Holiday + M. Gasol for K. Walker + Millsap
I'm not really high on the Walker deal.
This guy is like in 7th trying to get into the playoffs.
Its my first time playing fantasy so I'm just trying to learn as I go. Thanks!
I'm in trade talks to swap Holiday for CP3, but he said he would sleep on it.
I also offered Holiday + M. Gasol or B. Lopez for CP3 + Aldridge
This guy is tearing it up right now and is in 1st, but I beat him 7-1 last week
Another offer I got was Holiday for Ibaka or
Holiday + M. Gasol for K. Walker + Millsap
I'm not really high on the Walker deal.
This guy is like in 7th trying to get into the playoffs.
Its my first time playing fantasy so I'm just trying to learn as I go. Thanks!
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WhiteMambaLol wrote:Don't trade Gasol or Holiday. Holiday has been a monster the last 2 weeks and even if Bynum comes back that won't affect Jrues production, Bynum only takes shots 3 feet from the basket anyways. Gasol is just slumping a bit.
Holiday is terribly inefficient and Bynum's return will hurt him quite a bit. Lol @ the last two weeks. In TO leagues Holiday's what, barely top 50?
Move Gordon. who is available on the wire? Try to maybe package Gordon and Thompson for a better SG - someone like Joe Johnson, or Kevin Martin (unlikely to get him that cheap, although he has been slumping quite a bit so owner might be frustrated).
Thompson by himself is > than JJ or Martin...
I would forget about Bynum this year, if he comes back he will probably get injured again.
And this sums up an awful post.
Shop Holiday and Bosh asap. Holiday is only posting big #s because he's dominating the ball. When Bynum is back the offense goes thru Bynum. Holiday isn't enough of a shooter to benefit from that. But because Holiday has gaudy ppg/apg totals, he's considered elite. Abuse that perception (evinced so well by whitemamba here).
Bosh, meanwhile, is floating on unsustainable percentages. I've been saying this for at least a month, but it's still true. He's shooting >55% on jumpers this season. The only player who does that is Dirk, and not even Dirk manages 55%. Bosh's career average is 43-44% on Js.
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jzn869 wrote:Yahoo, 10 cat (fg%, ft%, 3pt, pts, reb, ast, st, blk, to), 13 players, H2H (3 of 8)
I was looking to improve my team for the latter half of the season and the playoffs. Granger and Bynum are still on the waiver wire as well. Should I look into picking them up and stashing them until they come back?
My team:
PG - Holiday, Rondo, Dragic
SG - Thompson, Gordon, Dudley
SF - Lebron, Kirilenko, Batum
PF - Bosh, Vucevic
C - M Gasol, B Lopez
Rebounds have been hit or miss and steals as each week. Anybody I should look to trade? Holiday perhaps if Bynum is coming back? Gasol hasn't been too hot either.
Your team is good, if you want to gamble on Bynum I would drop Gordon
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Apathy wrote:WhiteMambaLol wrote:Don't trade Gasol or Holiday. Holiday has been a monster the last 2 weeks and even if Bynum comes back that won't affect Jrues production, Bynum only takes shots 3 feet from the basket anyways. Gasol is just slumping a bit.
Holiday is terribly inefficient and Bynum's return will hurt him quite a bit. Lol @ the last two weeks. In TO leagues Holiday's what, barely top 50?Move Gordon. who is available on the wire? Try to maybe package Gordon and Thompson for a better SG - someone like Joe Johnson, or Kevin Martin (unlikely to get him that cheap, although he has been slumping quite a bit so owner might be frustrated).
Thompson by himself is > than JJ or Martin...I would forget about Bynum this year, if he comes back he will probably get injured again.
And this sums up an awful post.
Shop Holiday and Bosh asap. Holiday is only posting big #s because he's dominating the ball. When Bynum is back the offense goes thru Bynum. Holiday isn't enough of a shooter to benefit from that. But because Holiday has gaudy ppg/apg totals, he's considered elite. Abuse that perception (evinced so well by whitemamba here).
Bosh, meanwhile, is floating on unsustainable percentages. I've been saying this for at least a month, but it's still true. He's shooting >55% on jumpers this season. The only player who does that is Dirk, and not even Dirk manages 55%. Bosh's career average is 43-44% on Js.
Wow you are dumb. Shop Bosh who has been top 15 all year, that is not unsustainable. I don't think you actually watch any games, you just look at numbers. Over the last 30 days, Holiday is ranked 19th, over the last 10 days he is ranked 2nd. He is young and an excellent player, not terribly inefficient at all. Bynums numbers would not hurt him at all. I have watched almost every game Bynum has ever played, since I am a Lakers fan, and Bynum would have no effect on Holidays numbers except more assists for Holiday. Thompson is better than Martin? LOLOLOLOLOLOL. Martin at his lowest point, which is right now, is ranked 27th. Thompson is not even ranked top 100 for the season, and is an inefficient chucker.
"Offense goes thru Bynum" - lmao you don't know anything about basketball dude, I can tell you have rarely if ever watched Bynum play. Holiday like you said has great points and assists, but even for the whole season he is averaging 46% fg, 37% 3's and i forget his ft but its decent too, only negative is TO's, which is massively being compensated by all other cats. Bosh will maintain his numbers, he might drop 1 or 2% on FG at most, I watch almost all Heat games too and the jumpers Bosh is taking are almost always completely wide open. When you have Lebron and D Wade it is easy to get good looks.
You actually don't know **** about basketball Apathy, it is quite comical. the best lines were by far though - Thompson is better than Martin, and that the offense will go through Bynum, omg dude hahahah. If Bynum ever comes back, he will get injured within a month, you can mark that down, but that is irrelevant because it will NOT affect Holiday's production. LOL at shopping Bosh and Holiday.
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Thanks for the input guys I''m gauging the trade values of my players right now, but I recently swung a trade to get D. Lee on my team:
D. Lee + W. Matthews for B. Lopez + Dragic
PG: Holiday, Rondo
SG; Gordon, Thompson, Dudley, W. Matthews
SF: Lebron, Batum, Kirilenko
PF: D. Lee, Vucevic, Bosh
C: M. Gasol
I'm trying to get Deng off another friend who wants Bosh simply because he is a Heat fan.
I'm gonna try to get Deng + Vasquez for Bosh + Kirilenko or Dudley or Gordon or Matthews
Then theres another deal with Holiday centered around Ibaka:
Holiday + Kirilenko for Ibaka + Calderon or Derozan or Jameer Nelson
Some help on these trades would be nice because my team could be vastly different by then
D. Lee + W. Matthews for B. Lopez + Dragic
PG: Holiday, Rondo
SG; Gordon, Thompson, Dudley, W. Matthews
SF: Lebron, Batum, Kirilenko
PF: D. Lee, Vucevic, Bosh
C: M. Gasol
I'm trying to get Deng off another friend who wants Bosh simply because he is a Heat fan.
I'm gonna try to get Deng + Vasquez for Bosh + Kirilenko or Dudley or Gordon or Matthews
Then theres another deal with Holiday centered around Ibaka:
Holiday + Kirilenko for Ibaka + Calderon or Derozan or Jameer Nelson
Some help on these trades would be nice because my team could be vastly different by then
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Deng + Vasquez = Bosh + Kirilenko?
I'm no expert, but in this scenario you give clearly two best players.
I'm no expert, but in this scenario you give clearly two best players.
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WhiteMambaLol wrote:Wow you are dumb. Shop Bosh who has been top 15 all year, that is not unsustainable. I don't think you actually watch any games, you just look at numbers.
The past does not predict the future.
I've heard the "you don't actually watch any games" cliche all my life. At least be a bit more creative. Do you have a cogent rebuttal or are you just limited to mud-slinging?
Over the last 30 days, Holiday is ranked 19th, over the last 10 days he is ranked 2nd.
Since when does short-term production predict long-term stability? There are ups and downs in any season, and those splits don't mean all that much. The funny thing is that even by those 30 days, he doesn't rank 19th OVERALL, he only ranks 37th, because he missed 4 games. So even by your own biased tool he ranks just four spots higher than he does on the season.
He is young and an excellent player, not terribly inefficient at all. Bynums numbers would not hurt him at all. I have watched almost every game Bynum has ever played, since I am a Lakers fan, and Bynum would have no effect on Holidays numbers except more assists for Holiday. Thompson is better than Martin? LOLOLOLOLOLOL. Martin at his lowest point, which is right now, is ranked 27th. Thompson is not even ranked top 100 for the season, and is an inefficient chucker.
I've been following Holiday's career since he was at UCLA. I liked him very much following his rookie year, since he was, I believe, the youngest dude in the L. The problem is that he lacks any one elite basketball skill. He doesn't get to the line all that much, doesn't shoot a great % from there, doesn't attempt a lot of 3s, and his assists are mitigated by his god-awful TO rate.
"Offense goes thru Bynum" - lmao you don't know anything about basketball dude, I can tell you have rarely if ever watched Bynum play. Holiday like you said has great points and assists, but even for the whole season he is averaging 46% fg, 37% 3's and i forget his ft but its decent too, only negative is TO's, which is massively being compensated by all other cats. Bosh will maintain his numbers, he might drop 1 or 2% on FG at most, I watch almost all Heat games too and the jumpers Bosh is taking are almost always completely wide open. When you have Lebron and D Wade it is easy to get good looks.
I've lived in LA County all my life. Bynum is one of the best low-post threats in the NBA. It doesn't matter if you believe me or not -- that's simply going to be his role, like it or not. Tell me, how in the world can Holiday's usage percentage, which is at a career high 26.7%, improve or stay the same when Bynum (23.6% last year) is going to return? And to hold off one objection, no, it doesn't matter if Bynum sees less touches coming off injury, because the man he's replacing, C Lavoy Allen, has a paltry 14.9% usage rate. Bynum's never had a usage rate that low, and he's come off injury many times...
Bosh has been getting open jumpers his entire Heat career. It doesn't matter because it's a HUMAN ceiling -- humans are simply not capable of making >50% of their jump shots in a competitive NBA environment. Again, this is one of those situations where you're just ignorant -- it doesn't matter what you think, in this case the numbers aren't lying.
re jzn,
Why are you collecting so many swingmen? I am ambivalent about that deal. Matthews has been significantly > than Dragic to this point, but Dragic is still in a great situation and Matthews is somewhat injury prone (even though he's tough enough to play thru most injuries). As we saw last year, Dragic has t30 potential.
It's not a bad deal, it's pretty equal, hence my ambivalence. But acquiring Deng would be dumb. You have a billion SG/SFs. The last thing you need is another one. You are getting raped in the Deng/Vasquez deal.
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Apathy get out of here, you are completely ignorant. Jrue Holiday is top 25, and has been a stud all year.
Terrible Inefficient? 46% is hardly what I would call inefficient for a guard.
Ya he gets a lot of turnovers, but his major contributions in other categories make up for it.
But does that matter? I've pretty much already locked up 1st place in my H2H league, with Jrue Holiday, i'm undefeated, and I am 0-11 in turnovers.
Terrible Inefficient? 46% is hardly what I would call inefficient for a guard.
Ya he gets a lot of turnovers, but his major contributions in other categories make up for it.
But does that matter? I've pretty much already locked up 1st place in my H2H league, with Jrue Holiday, i'm undefeated, and I am 0-11 in turnovers.
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Arp590 wrote:Apathy get out of here, you are completely ignorant. Jrue Holiday is top 25, and has been a stud all year.
Terrible Inefficient? 46% is hardly what I would call inefficient for a guard.
Ya he gets a lot of turnovers, but his major contributions in other categories make up for it.
But does that matter? I've pretty much already locked up 1st place in my H2H league, with Jrue Holiday, i'm undefeated, and I am 0-11 in turnovers.
congrats?
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Levity wrote:Arp590 wrote:Apathy get out of here, you are completely ignorant. Jrue Holiday is top 25, and has been a stud all year.
Terrible Inefficient? 46% is hardly what I would call inefficient for a guard.
Ya he gets a lot of turnovers, but his major contributions in other categories make up for it.
But does that matter? I've pretty much already locked up 1st place in my H2H league, with Jrue Holiday, i'm undefeated, and I am 0-11 in turnovers.
congrats?
Clearly you missed my point... my point was that turnovers are only 1 category and not one that you should base your decisions off of.
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Thanks again for the advice guys. I thought the Deng + Vasquez deal was even for both ends, but I guess not. I really like Vasquez though and what he provides in assists since I just traded Dragic away. The guy doesn't think too highly of him either since he isn't a big name.
Maybe I can swap Bosh for someone else other than Deng? He has:
D. Williams, D. Cousins, M. Ellis, Stoudemire, A. Davis, J.J Redick, etc.
Should I look into Cousins? I know he is sort of a wreck mentally, but when he buckles down he produces great numbers.
G. Vasquez + D. Cousins for Bosh + W.Matthews or (Gordon, Dudley, Kirilenko)
Out of the four guys I listed which should I give up?
Maybe I can swap Bosh for someone else other than Deng? He has:
D. Williams, D. Cousins, M. Ellis, Stoudemire, A. Davis, J.J Redick, etc.
Should I look into Cousins? I know he is sort of a wreck mentally, but when he buckles down he produces great numbers.
G. Vasquez + D. Cousins for Bosh + W.Matthews or (Gordon, Dudley, Kirilenko)
Out of the four guys I listed which should I give up?
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Arp590 wrote:Apathy get out of here, you are completely ignorant. Jrue Holiday is top 25
Per game he's 41st in 9cat leagues.
Thanks for proving my point.
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Jzn, trust me, do not trade Holiday or Bosh unless you are getting players better than them. Holiday is a beast and he keeps getting better and more confident with each game I watch. Next year, Holiday will be a top 15 fantasy player the entire year and Apathy will be like damn....
Apathy does know his stuff, but he bases things too much on rationale that all players will eventually revert back to their career averages, when that is not the case. Bosh is going to be a fantasy beast the whole year, unless he gets injured. The Heat have played just under 40 games, that is not a small sample size at all, it's almost half the season.
Holiday at 46% fg and 78% ft is hardly inefficient. Pretty damn efficient for a guard scoring 20 ppg I would say. I watched the game tonight, dude went off for 33 and 14 on 57% shooting. Just face it, you will sooner or later, he is a monster and it will continue. I wish i had him on my team, i dont care if he averaged 5 TO's a game with the other cats he is smashing in.
As for the trades op is talking about. Vasquez will be someone who will decline as the season goes on, this will mostly be due to eric gordon as his health improves (assuming it does). gordon demands the ball to score, he likes to create for himself, so vasquez will lose rhythm and it will actually hurt the hornets but they will still roll with Gordon cause he can get 22 a night.
Apathy - Bynum has a high usage rate when healthy, true. But it's not like he is a Aldridge or Dirk type big, he mostly just backs guys down in the post and uses post moves. Jrues assists will go up, his points might dip a bit, but not necessarily, and the rest should stay about the same.
OP - don't trade Bosh or Holiday unless you are getting a stud in return. As for Cousins, I have him on my team, and recently he has been killing it. And with his talent it's hard to imagine why he wouldn't keep beasting it. And since your league doesn't count fouls, you don't have much to worry about. I would look to grab Cousins, but not to give up Bosh or Holiday for him.
Apathy does know his stuff, but he bases things too much on rationale that all players will eventually revert back to their career averages, when that is not the case. Bosh is going to be a fantasy beast the whole year, unless he gets injured. The Heat have played just under 40 games, that is not a small sample size at all, it's almost half the season.
Holiday at 46% fg and 78% ft is hardly inefficient. Pretty damn efficient for a guard scoring 20 ppg I would say. I watched the game tonight, dude went off for 33 and 14 on 57% shooting. Just face it, you will sooner or later, he is a monster and it will continue. I wish i had him on my team, i dont care if he averaged 5 TO's a game with the other cats he is smashing in.
As for the trades op is talking about. Vasquez will be someone who will decline as the season goes on, this will mostly be due to eric gordon as his health improves (assuming it does). gordon demands the ball to score, he likes to create for himself, so vasquez will lose rhythm and it will actually hurt the hornets but they will still roll with Gordon cause he can get 22 a night.
Apathy - Bynum has a high usage rate when healthy, true. But it's not like he is a Aldridge or Dirk type big, he mostly just backs guys down in the post and uses post moves. Jrues assists will go up, his points might dip a bit, but not necessarily, and the rest should stay about the same.
OP - don't trade Bosh or Holiday unless you are getting a stud in return. As for Cousins, I have him on my team, and recently he has been killing it. And with his talent it's hard to imagine why he wouldn't keep beasting it. And since your league doesn't count fouls, you don't have much to worry about. I would look to grab Cousins, but not to give up Bosh or Holiday for him.
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There is no need to trade holiday or Bosh unless it's a no-brainer
But I am biased, I have them boy on my team
But I am biased, I have them boy on my team
