State of the Roster

[msg4k90]

random people to get.
-mike dunleavy SF - what he does for his team is very similar to carlos delfino. rockets attempt 27.7 3PA per game, may stay in the top 10 for the rest of the season. he would help with the shooting % and space the floor. rocket's need reliable, career 3 pt shooters. I still have a hard time watching patrick patterson and marcus morris attempt 3's. defensive rebound % is very similar to patrick patterson.

-cartier martin PF - terrible rebounder, good career 3 pt shooter. there only like 10 PF's who can shoot decent from the 3. we got 2 of them but like I said ^^

[madbucky]

Derrick Rose is a sg, almost identical to Westbrook except Rose is calmer less volatile...
If you shoot the ball that much you're definitely a SG. If there ever was this "scoring pg" then it was maybe KJ/Thomas.

well I guess I'll agree to disagree. By my definition, if a PG average at least 6 ast/36min, he's a legit PG. If he also scores 15+ pts/36min, then I consider him a scoring PG. Examples:

Chris Paul, Westbrook, Parker, DWill, Curry

An undersized SG would be someone who is listed as a PG but has less than 6 ast/36 min and 15+ pts/36min:

Nate Robinson, Kyrie, Jennings, Monta, Douglas, Tyreke

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[inquisitive]

White woulda really helped in a few of our games during this losting streak with his size...too bad we took a big risk in drafting him.

White is a 6'8 PF with no range. He wouldn't help in any way shape or form this season.


Terrence Jones would be a big help with his size, athleticism and finishing touch around the rim. He really should be playing by now. **** Morris.

i think white coulda helped asik with rebounding, but yeah, i'll take jones over white anyway.

[Zubby]

well I guess I'll agree to disagree. By my definition, if a PG average at least 6 ast/36min, he's a legit PG. If he also scores 15+ pts/36min, then I consider him a scoring PG. Examples:

Chris Paul, Westbrook, Parker, DWill, Curry

An undersized SG would be someone who is listed as a PG but has less than 6 ast/36 min and 15+ pts/36min:

Nate Robinson, Kyrie, Jennings, Monta, Douglas, Tyreke

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When you write Chris Paul and scoring guard... that should raise a red flag. Paul doesn't even shot the ball enough to be considered a scoring guard.

By your definition:
Iverson is a PG... Allen Iverson was not a point guard.

This definition also means Lebron, Bird is a GOAT pg, Drexler, Jordan, Grant Hill, McGrady, Wade, Pippen, Vlade Divac, Webber have all been PG too im sure.


It would probably also make Jason Kidd a scoring guard too in NJ/PHX


I just see it as simple, way you play in HS/College you were either a G, a F, sometimes have that 3rd position Post/C.

So if said player is a G, and they shot alot they are a scoring guard = "shooting guard"
playmaking G = "point"

Guys like Rose, Westbrook, Curry, Ellis many duty/best skill is to score = shooting guard.
CP3 main duty/best skill is get everyone involved = point


I think my definition is easier

[madbucky]

This definition also means Lebron, Bird is a GOAT pg, Drexler, Jordan, Grant Hill, McGrady, Wade, Pippen, Vlade Divac, Webber have all been PG too im sure.

If you read my definition carefully: "If a PG average at least 6 ast/36min, he's a legit PG. If he also scores 15+ pts/36min, then I consider him a scoring PG." I didn't say any player who got 6 ast/36 min was a PG, I meant any player listed as a PG who got 6 ast/36 min.

When you write Chris Paul and scoring guard... that should raise a red flag. Paul doesn't even shot the ball enough to be considered a scoring guard.

Chris Paul has 13.1 FGA/36 mins. Paul shoots the ball more often than SGs like Redick, Kevin Martin, Ray Allen, Jason Terry. And nearly as often as DWill, Ginobili, Jodie Meeks, Bledsoe, Mayo.

By your definition: Iverson is a PG... Allen Iverson was not a point guard.

Iverson was officially listed as a PG for 6 seasons.

Guys like Rose, Westbrook, Curry, Ellis many duty/best skill is to score = shooting guard.
CP3 main duty/best skill is get everyone involved = point
I think my definition is easier

That definition is valid too. We just have different interpretations.

[Zubby]

Chris Paul has 13.1 FGA/36 mins. Paul shoots the ball more often than SGs like Redick, Kevin Martin, Ray Allen, Jason Terry. And nearly as often as DWill, Ginobili, Jodie Meeks, Bledsoe, Mayo.

So a top 5 player in the league shoots the ball 13x a game... more than a bunch of backup/6 men and you say he is a scoring guard?

Rose/Westbrook shoot the ball as often as Kobe, they are shooting guard.. only listed at the 1 because they are shorter.

Iverson was officially listed as a PG for 6 seasons.

Patterson has been officially listed as F/C...
Chris Bosh is listed as a C.

You just gotta know better

[Nebula1]

Any closer to Cousins?

[MaxRider]

Any closer to Cousins?

judging from morey recent interview
most likely there wont be any trade in this season
unless some really good deal fall into his lap
he will use the cap space we have to sign what we need
cousins aint free agent

[x-]

Any closer to Cousins?

judging from morey recent interview
most likely there wont be any trade in this season
unless some really good deal fall into his lap
he will use the cap space we have to sign what we need
cousins aint free agent

I don't think there's any chance the Rockets make no trade.

There's going to be some kind of deal or two. Nothing big probably, but you know Morey won't be able to help himself, even if it's something completely unspectacular like Toney Douglas for a 2nd rounder or two. Gotta pull the trigger.

[Mr. E]

I agree with x-

We will probably see some minor moves. I do think that Morey's "big target" may be a late first round pick. Any pick will do. Just for trade flexibility.

[Nebula1]

I can already see Cousins in the Rockets uniform.. beasting down low.. taking double/triple teams off Harden.. opening shots for Chandler and Morris.. getting Delfino open 4pt shots..

I also see Cousins/Asik playing together similar to Randolph/Gasol, but Cousins may also be strictly a center, which would require some creativity with Asik.

[moofs]

Here's the issue: We don't have a power forward outside of perhaps Terrence Jones and Greg Smith, and we don't have a backup C unless we get someone better than Asik (which would be awesome to move into the truly elite range, but isn't yet critical)

Here's the nice problem to have: Most of our roster is 21-24, so while it'd be really nice to get the PF right away, there really is no rush. A bad contract right now would be FAR worse than a quick attempt to solve the problem.

[MaxRider]

Morey need to stick to his plan
try to make the playoff or rebuild
can't do both at the same time
young players need playing time
if he wants to rebuild then ask his **** coach to give playing time to the young players
if he wont fire him
if he wants the playoff then get a veteran PG
don't have to be a star
just someone who can take the ball pressure off Harden
Jack would be nice

[moofs]

They're ALL young players...

[BaYBaller]

You can easily make the arguement that our team is probably better right now than if we just tanked the last few seasons considering Morey was able to flip what was essentially a 2nd round pick (Raptor's pick via Lowry trade) and a mid first rounder (Lamb) into Harden. There are intangible benefits to staying competitive while rebuilding, such as the culture and the resulting increase in trade value of those players as they will be more productive.

There are so few franchise players in each draft, and it takes a looooooong time to rebuild purely through the draft due to the nature of the lottery. While everyone cites teams like OKC rebuilding quickly through the draft, they had a ton of high picks in a relatively short time frame and they were pretty much on the money on most of those picks. It's like a start-up company, you only ever hear about the success stories but in reality there are far more failures than successes.

[MaxRider]

you can also argue we can get a better star player through trade if morey tank and get some top 3 picks

[BaYBaller]

The difference is that in trades you know what's going in and going out. With the lottery you don't know what pick you are going to get nor how the player you pick is going to turn out. Everybody seems to severely underestimate how these two factors affect how fast a franchise can turn itself around through the draft. And while ppl think it is easy to tank, in practice it isn't. Look at how bad some teams are (Bobcats, Wizards). They have been bad for so long it's probably pretty hard to out-tank them. And look at their high draft picks. Okafor, Felton, Wall... do these sound like franchise players to you?

Look at how bad Lowry has been in TOR. If we tanked last year you think we could've traded Lowry for the Raptors pick? The "advantage" of tanking is not really an advantage at all.

[Zubby]

Lowry could still fetch a lottery pick easy...
and he really hasn't been that bad his numbers are still pretty beast

14ppg, 6ast, & 4.5rebounds a PER of 22.4
Thats bad what do you think of our current pg's?

[MaxRider]

The difference is that in trades you know what's going in and going out. With the lottery you don't know what pick you are going to get nor how the player you pick is going to turn out. Everybody seems to severely underestimate how these two factors affect how fast a franchise can turn itself around through the draft. And while ppl think it is easy to tank, in practice it isn't. Look at how bad some teams are (Bobcats, Wizards). They have been bad for so long it's probably pretty hard to out-tank them. And look at their high draft picks. Okafor, Felton, Wall... do these sound like franchise players to you?

Look at how bad Lowry has been in TOR. If we tanked last year you think we could've traded Lowry for the Raptors pick? The "advantage" of tanking is not really an advantage at all.

that's why you need to tank to get higher picks so you can trade them for a better quality star
nobody want your 14th pick
the best morey had done in the past 3 years with the 14th pick is trade up for 12th pick

[inquisitive]

i prefer to stay the course for the rest of the year and play dmo, tjones more minutes....unless we can get that kfc guy.