Rumors: Bobcats, Bulls, Kings three-team discussions

[transplant]

If this has been answered already, please pardon me.

How can the Bobcats trade their 2013 first-round pick to us when we (conditionally) already own it? I mean, if their pick happened somehow to be #13 or worse (it's top-12 protected), it'd be our pick, right?

[othawhitemeat]

I only do this if it is the Bobcats pick and I wait until closer to trade deadline to push this. Meaning, I don't want to give the Bobcats Rip and increase their record a couple of games. It is only worth it in my opinion if going for a top 2 pick because after McLemore and Shabazz, it becomes a very weak draft. In fact, I don't know if we could substitute Denver with Mosgov for the trade? Denver gets either Rip or Henderson and we get Mosgov/pick/Taylor. I like McLemore better for our team and with Rose because of his shooting off the screen, athletic ability, etc...

I actually feel the strength of this draft outside of top 2 are late first round picks (our strength) with players such as Trey Burke, Dieng, Withey, Hardaway Jr., Phil Pressey, Mbawke, Young, etc...

[TheBigSqueeze]

I only do this if it is the Bobcats pick and I wait until closer to trade deadline to push this. Meaning, I don't want to give the Bobcats Rip and increase their record a couple of games. It is only worth it in my opinion if going for a top 2 pick because after McLemore and Shabazz, it becomes a very weak draft. In fact, I don't know if we could substitute Denver with Mosgov for the trade? Denver gets either Rip or Henderson and we get Mosgov/pick/Taylor. I like McLemore better for our team and with Rose because of his shooting off the screen, athletic ability, etc...

I actually feel the strength of this draft outside of top 2 are late first round picks (our strength) with players such as Trey Burke, Dieng, Withey, Hardaway Jr., Phil Pressey, Mbawke, Young, etc...

There's some pretty decent picks other than Shabazz and Mclemore (Zeller, Goodwin, Marcus Smart)...just no franchise players. Which is good for us because we don't need a franchise player we just need a second option.

[Leimas]

Is Thompson starting quality for a team like ours? What is he good at offensively? I have seen him very little and don't ever remember being impressed.

[bearadonisdna]

They obviously just want their pick back, so they're interested in giving us Portland's (or maybe Detroit's) pick instead.

^ Omg thank you. All that other stuff was confusing me. And its likely the Bulls would only get that pick if they send players OUT.

[othawhitemeat]

[quote="TheBigSqueeze"][quote="othawhitemeat"]I only do this if it is the Bobcats pick and I wait until closer to trade deadline to push this. Meaning, I don't want to give the Bobcats Rip and increase their record a couple of games. It is only worth it in my opinion if going for a top 2 pick because after McLemore and Shabazz, it becomes a very weak draft. In fact, I don't know if we could substitute Denver with Mosgov for the trade? Denver gets either Rip or Henderson and we get Mosgov/pick/Taylor. I like McLemore better for our team and with Rose because of his shooting off the screen, athletic ability, etc...

I actually feel the strength of this draft outside of top 2 are late first round picks (our strength) with players such as Trey Burke, Dieng, Withey, Hardaway Jr., Phil Pressey, Mbawke, Young, etc...[/quote]

There's some pretty decent picks other than Shabazz and Mclemore (Zeller, Goodwin, Marcus Smart)...just no franchise players. Which is good for us because we don't need a franchise player we just need a second option.[/quote]

They might be decent, but in my opinion they are not worth giving up a possible pick and getting a higher talent. This is a very weak draft up-top. Even Shabazz - he doesn't pass the ball. I only like McLemore up high. Smart/Goodwin might be good players in time, but probably not good #2 side-kick types. I would rather have Jimmy Butler than those.

[bearadonisdna]

Is Thompson starting quality for a team like ours? What is he good at offensively? I have seen him very little and don't ever remember being impressed.

No he is not better than Noah or Boozer.
If one of them got injured, Thompson can play 40 mins a night. He is a constant double double threat.

10.9 points on 50% fgs. Almost 70% from the line and 7 rebs per game.
Also. 5 steals and. 9 blocks in 29 mins per game this season.

[bearadonisdna]

Is Thompson starting quality for a team like ours? What is he good at offensively? I have seen him very little and don't ever remember being impressed.

No he is not better than Noah or Boozer.
If one of them got injured, Thompson can play 30 mins a night. He is a constant double double threat.

10.9 points on 50% fgs. Almost 70% from the line and 7 rebs per game.
Also. 5 steals and. 9 blocks in 29 mins per game this season.

[Hokie]

I know this isn't considered to be a deep draft, but if the Bobcats would be willing to part with their pick this year unprotected, I'd jump all over this deal. I can't see Charlotte doing this, however. The Portland pick is most likely the 1st they're dangling... in that case, no thanks.

[bearadonisdna]

I know this isn't considered to be a deep draft, but if the Bobcats would be willing to part with their pick this year unprotected, I'd jump all over this deal. I can't see Charlotte doing this, however. The Portland pick is most likely the 1st they're dangling... in that case, no thanks.

Ok u swap picks. Ours has been collecting dust and will continue do so until 2016.

So the Bulls get a usable pick, a player at a need based position, and a young 2 guard and shed Rips salary which they have wanted to do since the offseason.

Its not like other teams are knocking down the Bulls door for this pick. Plus the Bobcats are giftwrapping a servicable 4th big man who is producing better than our 3rd big man.

[AAU Teammate]

20 page Jason Thompson threads really do make one yearn for the days of 100 page Amare threads

[MalikJoakim24]

20 page Jason Thompson threads really do make one yearn for the days of 100 page Amare threads

With the way boozer's been playing, don't want amare

[Darius Miles Davis]

Forgive me if my point has already been addressed. I haven't read this whole thread.

If Charlotte is interested in their pick back, I think a draft day trade would make the most sense.

Let's say the Bulls really like a player in the 2013 draft who they are willing to give up the Charlotte pick for. Let's say Charlotte, for whatever reason, doesn't like the same player (unlikely, because both teams arguably need upgrades at the SG position). If that player falls to where Charlotte is picking, and they're willing, and we're willing, then maybe I could see a deal between the two teams.

[BuffaloBull]

Forgive me if my point has already been addressed. I haven't read this whole thread.

If Charlotte is interested in their pick back, I think a draft day trade would make the most sense.

Let's say the Bulls really like a player in the 2013 draft who they are willing to give up the Charlotte pick for. Let's say Charlotte, for whatever reason, doesn't like the same player (unlikely, because both teams arguably need upgrades at the SG position). If that player falls to where Charlotte is picking, and they're willing, and we're willing, then maybe I could see a deal between the two teams.

Right. It makes a lot of sense that we would keep a running dialogue with Charlotte (us having their pick ties us together), but the odds of something with the pick taking place at the trade deadline and not the draft seem very low. This FO is pretty deliberate about planning out their roster moves and giving themselves flexibility. Plus on draft day you know exactly what you are trading for (i.e, if I give up x y and z, I can get THIS GUY i want) versus "if I give up all this now, I increase my chances of y happening by z percent." Given their ability to find talents later in the draft (Taj, Mirotic, Jimmy, Omer) I think you want to have a target in mind before you really bring your assets to the table.

[AAU Teammate]

20 page Jason Thompson threads really do make one yearn for the days of 100 page Amare threads

With the way boozer's been playing, don't want amare

I wasnt being serious

[Ben]

Darius Miles Davis and BuffaloBull have it right. Draft day would be the time to look for a Chicago-Charlotte trade that involved the future Charlotte pick (ours) and perhaps the current Charlotte pick (theirs). At that time we would know whether Charlotte does indeed own their pick this year by finishing in the bottom 12 (which seems almost a certainty, but does need to be verified). We and they would know their exact draft order. We and they would be able to see which players get picked ahead of Charlotte's turn (assuming they're not #1, in which case I would expect them to use the pick) and which players are still left. And then, if and only if Charlotte doesn't really value the players still left and we do value one of them, could I see a potential exchange.

I can't see how Charlotte would pass on McLemore if he's still on the board (assuming they can't get Shabbazz), but that would be my best-case, orgasmic scenario. [McLemore to us, future Charlotte pick and Bulls 2013 pick and maybe Mirotic, if they want him, to Charlotte.]

But if Charlotte finishes in the bottom 3, and gets a top 3 draft pick, I really expect them to select Shabbazz or McLemore or possibly Zeller/Noel. SG and C are positions of need (along with PF). Shabbazz and McLemore definitely can make significant impacts, IMO. Only if both of them are off the board would I expect Charlotte to trade their pick. And if they do that, it would probably be worth more to some other team than it would be to us (b/c we would probably be interested in a guard who could be available a bit lower in the draft than in the top 5).

[xpmar9x]

3 team deal, but no Kings:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=axmewmf

Bulls get unprotected '13 bobcats & dec backup center for cheap. '13 can be McLemore or Shabazz.

Mem gets charlotte pick. A ton of salary relief. Henderson can be their future SG. Taylor provides a young SF. Tony Allen can play 3. Rip provides mins at 2. They lose Gay, but they saved a ton of money with getting two young guys.

LOLcats get their 'star'. Kemba-Gay-MKG provide a solid trio w/ BG off the bench. They'll need some bigs in the off-season for sure.

Ik most of you don't want Biyombo, but I'm doing it for the potential of landing our future #2. He can also be a cheap backup center. Lolcats trade expirings and 2 lottos for Rudy. Mem gets youth and money.

Works for all.

[bearadonisdna]

I'm just sick of this wait for the future crap when the Bulls should want to win now.
Good god we already have Mirotic, how many inactive nonusable assets do we need?
Do urself a favor and get something in return now.

Not like sitting on Asik and losing him for nothing.

[bearadonisdna]

Outside of Char wanting it this pick is basically immovable. Its like people want a staring contest with the cats just to see how long we can sit it.

[MasterIchiro]

Seems weird to want your pick back... like saying you know you'll suck.

This.

First of all, the pick in consideration HAS to be the Blazer pick because Charlotte currently has the 2nd worst record. It makes absolutely no sense to try so damn hard to get back your 2016 unprotected 1st when you're giving up what is currently 199 combinations this year at the #1 pick, regardless of how poor the draft class this year is projected to be.

Now giving up Portland's top 12 protected pick this year makes a lot more sense. But even so, trying so damn hard to get your pick back just screams "We suck. We suck so bad and we'll continue to suck." That could be the case, but I highly doubt management is looking at the situation that way. If that were the case, the better approach is to just get rid of everyone not named MKG and be assured of lottery picks in 2013, 2014 and 2015 along with plenty of money to sign some FA's.

That, or sell the team.

It could be that the Bobcats want the ability to trade the team's 2013 first round pick in a package for a marquee player and they can't accomplish that with an outstanding debt to Chicago. And it's quite possible the targeted player is slated to be dealt before the trade deadline. It's kind of strange to think a team would be worried about its performance 3 years down the road and would come to a front office pleading with them to save the team from suckitude. Just seems very unprofessional.