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Post#1 » by retrolenny » Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:50 am

1) This years Det Pistons are 10 games below .500 (15-25) yet their average loss is by 1.1 pts/game. Good enough for 9th in our conference and .1pts/game away from BOS.
2) Our Divisional Record is 4 wins and 2 losses. This number puts us in a tie for 3rd best in our conference, matching the NY Knicks!!
3) Det is over one game over .500 (12-11) while playing other teams in our conference. This is the 8th best Conference record.
4) Det has the 6th best defense in the conference (.1 pt/game worse than 5th which is BOS)

The bottom line is despite our crummy record, we are looking more and more like a playoff team. We have quite a bit of growing to do but chipping away at that 8th seed seems possible now.
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Post#2 » by vege » Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:58 am

If only we had a starter caliber PG...
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Post#3 » by retrolenny » Mon Jan 21, 2013 11:08 am

vege wrote:If only we had a starter caliber PG...


I think we do!! I can't believe I'm saying this but WILL FREAKING BYNUM is the man right now. He needs to start because he is the best man for the job, gets everyone involved, can take it to the hole, etc.. He just has to know that he needs to be team oriented vs Bynum oriented. He is his own worst enemy. If Bynum can just focus on "TEAM" play then he succeeds BIG TIME in this league!!
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Post#4 » by vege » Mon Jan 21, 2013 11:20 am

:) yeap good post.
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Post#5 » by ParrottK » Mon Jan 21, 2013 11:46 am

Bynum is playing great, but he shouldn't be in our starting lineup.

He's too ball-dominant. This is a good thing for the second unit, because we need someone to lead that group and his chemistry with Drummond is perfect.

In the starting lineup, however, his effectiveness would be severely limited because the other guys need touches. While Knight is not be the playmaker that Bynum is, he still stretches the floor when the ball goes into the post.
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Post#6 » by vege » Mon Jan 21, 2013 12:10 pm

ParrottK wrote: While Knight is not be the playmaker that Bynum is, he still stretches the floor when the ball goes into the post.


Bynum is shooting 40% from 3 points range while Knight is shooting 38% :roll:
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Post#7 » by retrolenny » Mon Jan 21, 2013 12:16 pm

ParrottK wrote:Bynum is playing great, but he shouldn't be in our starting lineup.

He's too ball-dominant. This is a good thing for the second unit, because we need someone to lead that group and his chemistry with Drummond is perfect.

In the starting lineup, however, his effectiveness would be severely limited because the other guys need touches. While Knight is not be the playmaker that Bynum is, he still stretches the floor when the ball goes into the post.


Your argument makes no sense!! Bynum is the best playmaker on our team and is the only one who really knows how to take over a game.
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Post#8 » by ParrottK » Mon Jan 21, 2013 12:26 pm

vege wrote:
ParrottK wrote: While Knight is not be the playmaker that Bynum is, he still stretches the floor when the ball goes into the post.


Bynum is shooting 40% from 3 points range while Knight is shooting 38% :roll:


Do you really believe that Bynum is a better shooter than Knight?

Just because he's had a good shooting year doesn't mean that his jumpshot isn't shaky.
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Post#9 » by vege » Mon Jan 21, 2013 12:48 pm

ParrottK wrote:Do you really believe that Bynum is a better shooter than Knight?


No I do not. Knight shot 183 3's so far this season while Bynum shot 35.

And I return you a question, Do you really believe that Knight is even close to be the player Bynum is right now?
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Post#10 » by ParrottK » Mon Jan 21, 2013 12:52 pm

retrolenny wrote:
ParrottK wrote:Bynum is playing great, but he shouldn't be in our starting lineup.

He's too ball-dominant. This is a good thing for the second unit, because we need someone to lead that group and his chemistry with Drummond is perfect.

In the starting lineup, however, his effectiveness would be severely limited because the other guys need touches. While Knight is not be the playmaker that Bynum is, he still stretches the floor when the ball goes into the post.


Your argument makes no sense!! Bynum is the best playmaker on our team and is the only one who really knows how to take over a game.


My argument hinges on the fact that Bynum is best with the ball in his hands. If he's moved into the starting lineup, then he won't have the ball in his hands as much.

Our second unit absolutely needs a ball-dominant PG capable of making good decisions. It's made of chuckers (CV and Daye), a low offensive IQ big man (Drummond), and the increasingly irrelevant Stuckey (relegated to default perimeter defender). Bynum is perfect for this group because he makes plays for them and doesn't give them the ball until they're in position to score. No one wants to see a steady stream of Drummond post-ups or Daye trying to create from the perimeter.

In the starting lineup, however, we want to spread the ball around more as the play is developing because more guys are capable of creating shots for themselves and others. I'd rather have Knight spreading the floor when the ball goes into Monroe in the post, and playing off of Tayshaun when he has the ball, than Bynum.

I'm not saying that Bynum isn't a better playmaker than Knight. He is, and I think he's the main reason our second unit has been so good lately. But that effectiveness isn't going to carry over 100% if he's inserted into the starting lineup, and without Bynum our second unit won't be as productive as it has been.
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Post#11 » by DetroitSho » Mon Jan 21, 2013 1:40 pm

ParrottK wrote:
retrolenny wrote:
ParrottK wrote:Bynum is playing great, but he shouldn't be in our starting lineup.

He's too ball-dominant. This is a good thing for the second unit, because we need someone to lead that group and his chemistry with Drummond is perfect.

In the starting lineup, however, his effectiveness would be severely limited because the other guys need touches. While Knight is not be the playmaker that Bynum is, he still stretches the floor when the ball goes into the post.


Your argument makes no sense!! Bynum is the best playmaker on our team and is the only one who really knows how to take over a game.

I seriously can't believe this has to be explained.

My argument hinges on the fact that Bynum is best with the ball in his hands. If he's moved into the starting lineup, then he won't have the ball in his hands as much.

Our second unit absolutely needs a ball-dominant PG capable of making good decisions. It's made of chuckers (CV and Daye), a low offensive IQ big man (Drummond), and the increasingly irrelevant Stuckey (relegated to default perimeter defender). Bynum is perfect for this group because he makes plays for them and doesn't give them the ball until they're in position to score. No one wants to see a steady stream of Drummond post-ups or Daye trying to create from the perimeter.

In the starting lineup, however, we want to spread the ball around more as the play is developing because more guys are capable of creating shots for themselves and others. I'd rather have Knight spreading the floor when the ball goes into Monroe in the post, and playing off of Tayshaun when he has the ball, than Bynum.

I'm not saying that Bynum isn't a better playmaker than Knight. He is, and I think he's the main reason our second unit has been so good lately. But that effectiveness isn't going to carry over 100% if he's inserted into the starting lineup, and without Bynum our second unit won't be as productive as it has been.
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Post#12 » by pistontr » Mon Jan 21, 2013 1:43 pm

Knight is catch and shoot guy, he can not shoot off the bounce. at least i haven't see him shoot off the bounce
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Post#13 » by pistontr » Mon Jan 21, 2013 1:44 pm

bynum was great before he injured. then he become useless but right now he finds himself
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Post#14 » by mercury » Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:20 pm

The PG that is playing best on a per game basis should receive the most PT until a better solution comes along (even if it's one of these two).
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Post#15 » by Jodi » Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:21 pm

retrolenny wrote:1) This years Det Pistons are 10 games below .500 (15-25) yet their average loss is by 1.1 pts/game. Good enough for 9th in our conference and .1pts/game away from BOS.
2) Our Divisional Record is 4 wins and 2 losses. This number puts us in a tie for 3rd best in our conference, matching the NY Knicks!!
3) Det is over one game over .500 (12-11) while playing other teams in our conference. This is the 8th best Conference record.
4) Det has the 6th best defense in the conference (.1 pt/game worse than 5th which is BOS)

The bottom line is despite our crummy record, we are looking more and more like a playoff team. We have quite a bit of growing to do but chipping away at that 8th seed seems possible now.

So is it safe to say that Frank is going a good job with our young Pistons???

ParrottK wrote:Bynum is playing great, but he shouldn't be in our starting lineup.

Agreed, Bynum is a bench player!..Why is it when someone plays well for a couple of games people here think they automatically become starting caliber players...Starters have overall qualities...Knight plays better defense than Bynum, Knight shots the ball better than Bynun, Knight shares the ball, Knight gets to the free-throw line...Bynum is a spark off the bench that mostly looks for his own shot...Knight is the future PG for this team...
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Post#16 » by Goldtop » Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:47 pm

vege wrote:
ParrottK wrote:Do you really believe that Bynum is a better shooter than Knight?


No I do not. Knight shot 183 3's so far this season while Bynum shot 35.

And I return you a question, Do you really believe that Knight is even close to be the player Bynum is right now?


Right now? not when Bynum is a 30 yr old, 6 yr NBA vet with years of exp overseas, and Knight is 21 and just completed his 1st full yr in the league.

But I don't think the Pistons are trying to mortage their future just to be an 8th seed that gets swept in the 1st round. In other words, Bynum has no longterm future here, and even if he were starting, we would be a 7th/8th seed at best. So there's not a lot to gain by benching your young PG who you are trying to develop for the longterm.

I like Bynum a lot this year though and his chemistry with Drummond. They do need to find a way to get those 2 more min together.
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Post#17 » by Goldtop » Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:50 pm

OP - great stats. The thing that sucks is that I think we are a better team than BOS, PHI, and MIL. Yet 2 of those teams will likely make the playoffs over us, just because their exp allows them to win more consistently against the rest of the league. Even though we can beat all 3 of those teams convincingly H2H
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Post#18 » by Bolek » Mon Jan 21, 2013 5:04 pm

Another fun fact - in the latest nba.com power rankings the Pistons are just one place below Lakers. Who would think about it before the season? Too bad that it is because the Lakers are so low, not that the Pistons are so high ;-)

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Post#19 » by ballhawk1 » Mon Jan 21, 2013 5:32 pm

Brandon tries too hard to make the right play which makes him very predictable. When the offense is predictable the plays don't go as expected and the offense ends up looking disjointed and individualistic. Brandon is struggling with high turnovers because point guards are good at reading what other point guard are trying to do.

I hope Brandon can learn from a real point guard. The Lou Williams model is not working well.
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Post#20 » by vege » Mon Jan 21, 2013 6:29 pm

Goldtop wrote:Right now? not when Bynum is a 30 yr old, 6 yr NBA vet with years of exp overseas, and Knight is 21 and just completed his 1st full yr in the league.

But I don't think the Pistons are trying to mortage their future just to be an 8th seed that gets swept in the 1st round. In other words, Bynum has no longterm future here, and even if he were starting, we would be a 7th/8th seed at best. So there's not a lot to gain by benching your young PG who you are trying to develop for the longterm.

I like Bynum a lot this year though and his chemistry with Drummond. They do need to find a way to get those 2 more min together.


Knight is not the only player we're trying to develop and by starting a complete fail PG you're mortaging this team's future. If we had a good PG this team could be so good :(

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