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Post#1 » by Thunder Muscle » Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:01 pm

Interesting piece on #12. Not the most flattering article written about him. :)

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/ ... 70011.html

Green Bay - Their season had been done approximately 14 hours.

Aaron Rodgers, one of the leaders of the Green Bay Packers, sat alone at his locker, staring aimlessly around the room. Rodgers was asked if he'd talk about the season that just ended.

"Nope," Rodgers said.

Instead, Rodgers began eavesdropping on an interview linebacker Desmond Bishop was conducting.

After each question, Rodgers made a snide remark about the queries loud enough for anyone within earshot to hear.

"I can't believe they'd ask that," Rodgers said.

"Nice question," he said another time.

Finally, doing his best Drew Rosenhaus, Rodgers bellowed, "Next question."


Instead of preparing for the NFC Championship Game, Rodgers was now critiquing reporters.

It's this type of leadership that had some taking shots at the 2011 most valuable player this season.

Make no mistake about it: Rodgers is one of the NFL's elite players. He had the league's highest passer rating for a second straight season (108.0), was second in touchdown passes (39) and was as careful as ever with the ball, throwing just eight interceptions. Rodgers took 51 sacks during the regular season, more than any other NFL quarterback.

At just 29, though, Rodgers figures to be in his prime the next three or four years and should keep the Packers among the NFL's top teams.

But is there a disconnect between Rodgers and some of his teammates?

While no Packers players have publicly criticized Rodgers, the signs began in September, when Blake Baratz - the agent for Packers tight end Jermichael Finley - took to Twitter to rip Rodgers.

"ARod is a great QB he isn't a great leader," Baratz tweeted. "There's a major difference. Leaders take the blame & make every1 better. He doesn't."

In October, CBS' Shannon Sharpe ripped Rodgers on the air. The Packers organization believed that the leak came from one of its own players.

"Aaron Rodgers . . . he strikes me as a guy that, it's always someone else's fault other than his own," Sharpe said. "I'm not so sure, I'm not so sure, that deep down inside, how well his receiving corps really likes Aaron Rodgers.

"I tell you what else, just because you're a great quarterback and an MVP quarterback that doesn't make you a great person. There is a difference between the two."

Rodgers later called those comments "stupid" and "uninformed" on his weekly radio show.

Then in December, Greg Jennings' sister Valyncia took to Twitter and tore into Rodgers during the regular-season finale against Minnesota.

Among Valyncia's stream of tweets was this zinger:

"ARod is the most overrated QB in the league! He is no where near Peyton or Brady! It sickens me, Peyton would avg. 5 TD with this squad!!!"

In addition, Rodgers probably didn't win any points from coach Mike McCarthy when he openly campaigned for Evan Dietrich-Smith to be his center and for Randall Cobb to stop playing special teams.

Rodgers also ripped the scout-team defense in early October after the Packers offense started the season slowly.

"For whatever reason, the rookies have not picked up what the practice tempo looks like or the importance of the scout-team looks as well as maybe it's been in the past," Rodgers said on his radio show at the time.

"There needs to be a level of professionalism that is current through the entire team from the veterans to the rookies that they kind of understand how each part of the day adds to the preparation."

Three Packers defensive coaches later took issue with Rodgers' opinion. And one national talk show host called Rodgers' comments "a lame excuse."

A little more than a decade ago, Brett Favre was in the process of becoming larger than the Packers organization.

Green Bay must now do all it can to ensure that never happens with Rodgers.

One reason Rodgers may have slipped to the 24th-overall selection in the 2005 draft is he was perceived as a know-it-all by many scouts and executives. Rodgers did not display that early in his Packers career, trying to prove that he was the anti-Favre.

Rodgers, who took a class on leadership in college, used many of those lessons early on to win points in the locker room. And even as his leadership was questioned this season, he talked about wanting to be a role model on and off the field.

"As much as I wanted to be remembered as a great player and win more championships here, which I think we can do," Rodgers said on his radio show last week. "I'm going to be as aware of the kind of person I am remembered as I move forward.

"Hopefully, I can take after my Packer role model, Bart Starr, who's remembered and thought of as much for his character as the way he played on the field."

***

While the Packers have one of the league's top starting quarterbacks, their backup position remains cloudy.

Graham Harrell was the No. 2 for all 18 games and threw just four passes. Harrell failed to wow anyone last summer, and he will be challenged in training camp by strong-armed rookie B.J. Coleman and whomever Green Bay might add to the roster.

"The longer you're in an offense, the better you know it and the more comfortable you get and the better player you'll be," Harrell said. "This year was great for me and huge for me, so hopefully, I'll get to have another great year next year."
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Post#2 » by MickeyDavis » Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:42 pm

I think he handled the whole Favre soap opera very well. Beyond that I don't really care what kind of a "leader" he is. All I care about is his on-field ability, which is top notch.
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Post#3 » by Bucksfans1and2 » Wed Jan 23, 2013 3:00 pm

I'll give him a pass for being a bit bitter after a playoff loss.

Finley and his agent have proven themselves to be clowns.

Interesting that the organization believes Sharpe said that because someone on the team told him that. Wonder if it was Finley or somebody else.

Jennings' sister is more of a clown than Finley

As for campaigning for EDS and taking Cobb off of ST. If it was that big of an issue the coaches would've said No. Both moves made sense with Saturday blowing and the emergence of Ross.

Sounds to me like Rodgers wanted to get everybody going in practice. Not sure how that's a bad thing.

I've heard the scouting thing before and I thank God everyday that's the case.
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Post#4 » by MartyConlonOnTheRun » Wed Jan 23, 2013 3:04 pm

I've been saying this for years on this forum that packers fans put Rodgers on a pedestal and would regret it. You would think they would have learned their lesson with Favre. These are human beings and their ego will get to them. Stop saying one is so perfect.
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Post#5 » by Bucksfans1and2 » Wed Jan 23, 2013 3:31 pm

MartyConlonOnTheRun wrote:I've been saying this for years on this forum that packers fans put Rodgers on a pedestal and would regret it. You would think they would have learned their lesson with Favre. These are human beings and their ego will get to them. Stop saying one is so perfect.


I don't think anyone is saying Rodgers is perfect. At the same time, I don't think it's fair to attack his leadership just because there isn't much about his on-field performance to target and we feel the need to justify, "he isn't perfect." When a real legitimate report comes out showing in some way how Rodgers is a bad leader, I'll stand up and take notice, until then I don't think it's fair to rip on a guy for poor leadership when there hasn't really been a good example cited.

We know that Rodgers takes his weekly preparation extremely seriously. We know that Rodgers expects others to do the same, lest it hinder his and their preparedness. We know that Rodgers doesn't hide his feelings, whether to others or to the press. Obviously that rubs some people the wrong way. Ultimately, Rodgers is the most "normal" of any big time media star. I'm amazed at how many times Rodgers is asked something and instead of giving a canned response, says something that I would say, assuming I didn't have a PR team to answer to.
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Post#6 » by Newz » Wed Jan 23, 2013 3:36 pm

The whole ripping on reporters for asking certain questions thing is kind of a lame move.

I guess I don't see how the other stuff is a bad thing. Stuff like "taking the blame for everything" is stupid. You know where that probably came from with Finley? When he was dropping balls non-stop, Rodgers probably told him to catch the **** ball. My guess is toward the end of the year there was no problem because he was doing what he is supposed to do.
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Post#7 » by eagle13 » Wed Jan 23, 2013 3:41 pm

Much BS to fill lame writer's lazy a$$ time
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Post#8 » by Run-MKE 311 » Wed Jan 23, 2013 3:45 pm

Well penned article that raises some interesting points. I like Rodgers alot and as an avid Favre supporter, I will admit it took me a while to get there. I greatly respect the ability he has on the field and the degree to which he has mastered his craft at QB. Given his age and what he has accomplished thus far in his career, there is no QB (Brady, Brees, Manning included) that I would rather have under center each Sunday.

Having made that disclaimer, there are some concerns I have with regards to the real and/or perceived friction that has taken place in the Packers locker room this past season. Aaron strikes me as a very self motivated, independent and driven personality. Much of this stems from the slights he has had to overcome, high school, college and the draft. Players like Aaron who feed off of turning negative energy and feedback into positive motivation, often are loners and do not share relationships easy with others, in this case their teammates.

I am not trying to be a dime store shrink on this thread, but I believe that who Aaron is as a person, does not draw his teammates in very closely. Some may say who cares, I only give a damn about what he does on the field, and that is fine. But, I think it is important to understand how Aaron's personality drives some of what is taking place in the locker room and how it may be fueling this negative energy.

Clearly there are guys within that locker room that are not feeling the love, whether that means Aaron is not taking the time to form relationships with them, or they do not feel like he is throwing them the rock enough. In many ways the Packers as a team and the way the FO is currently constructed, is very much at a crossroads in my opinion. 3 years ago they won the Superbowl with a magic potion of brilliant offense, creative defensive schemes and battled through an incredible rash of injuries.

Now that organization looks back on the past two seasons, has suffered two brutal losses in the playoffs at the hands of far more physical football teams, that Superbowl seems like it was 10 years ago. When it happened at the time and the Packers beat the Steelers, I was thrilled like we all were, it was a great ride down the stretch of that season. But part of me always felt like that was a fluke, all those injuries and the fact that we were free wheeling an offense which was simply overwhelming other teams.

But each franchise in the NFL is very intelligent, give their defensive staffs enough time to figure out your offense and they will. In short I hope for the best with the Packers and Aaron going forward, but there is a lot of work that needs to be done and some soul searching along the way.

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Post#9 » by Newz » Wed Jan 23, 2013 3:51 pm

Run-MKE 311,

I agree with a lot of what you said. Rodgers comes off as the type of guy who is straight to business. When he is at work he doesn't seem like the type of guy who is making a lot of friends, he seems like he just wants to get better. I could see him going off on guys who aren't prepared, who don't show enough effort or who make a lot of mental mistakes. He does not seem like the type of guy who will have any tolerance for guys who mess up because I don't think he expects or accepts that from himself.

I personally do not think that's a bad thing, but I can see how it could be frustrating at times as his teammate.

"Leadership" in general is kind of overrated. I agree with Aaron in the sense that the NFL is a self motivated league. If you want to be good, you have to put in the work and that is on the individual. People cite guys like Michael Jordan as a great leader... but that dude belittled and ripped his teammates non-stop in Chicago when they were winning.
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Post#10 » by [RCG] » Wed Jan 23, 2013 4:09 pm

I think the beginning of the article says all you need to know and slants the rest of the piece.

He criticized a reporter, sounds like the reporters are getting their revenge? I didn't hear anything especially damning. EDS was the right move at center, and I can see why he wanted Cobb off special teams. Wanting the rookies to play harder isn't bad and honestly besides sometimes holding on to the ball sometimes he doesn't make many mistakes so usually it isn't his fault. I wouldn't expect him to be a little bitter after a season-ending loss, in fact I would question if he weren't.
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Post#11 » by Allanon23 » Wed Jan 23, 2013 4:42 pm

[RCG] wrote:I think the beginning of the article says all you need to know and slants the rest of the piece.

He criticized a reporter, sounds like the reporters are getting their revenge? I didn't hear anything especially damning. EDS was the right move at center, and I can see why he wanted Cobb off special teams. Wanting the rookies to play harder isn't bad and honestly besides sometimes holding on to the ball sometimes he doesn't make many mistakes so usually it isn't his fault. I wouldn't expect him to be a little bitter after a season-ending loss, in fact I would question if he weren't.


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Post#12 » by Run-MKE 311 » Wed Jan 23, 2013 4:46 pm

Newz wrote:Run-MKE 311,

I agree with a lot of what you said. Rodgers comes off as the type of guy who is straight to business. When he is at work he doesn't seem like the type of guy who is making a lot of friends, he seems like he just wants to get better. I could see him going off on guys who aren't prepared, who don't show enough effort or who make a lot of mental mistakes. He does not seem like the type of guy who will have any tolerance for guys who mess up because I don't think he expects or accepts that from himself.

I personally do not think that's a bad thing, but I can see how it could be frustrating at times as his teammate.

"Leadership" in general is kind of overrated. I agree with Aaron in the sense that the NFL is a self motivated league. If you want to be good, you have to put in the work and that is on the individual. People cite guys like Michael Jordan as a great leader... but that dude belittled and ripped his teammates non-stop in Chicago when they were winning.


Rodgers certainly does seem to be a no nonsense, business first guy. He appears to focused on the task at hand and does not suffer BS very well. Those are traits I can certainly respect, but also I can see how that may rub others the wrong way, including at times the media.

I would imagine some of his teammates want Aaron to be more "buddy, buddy" but that is just not his style, which you made a good reference towards.

Great point with regards to MJ, presently I would throw Kobe under that same umbrella as well and I respect the hell out of them both. Leadership takes many different shapes and approaches, sometimes the media wants to place "leadership" in this nice, tidy box and think that is really missing the mark. I have been fortunate in both my sporting and professional life, to work with several different types of leaders. Some have been the "rah-rah" Pete Carroll type, others have been old school and take the Lombardi approach, but regardless I learned something from each and believe there is room for all styles.

The media wants to disect how Aaron's leadership style is being received by his teammates and maybe they have things backwards. Maybe some guys in the locker room just do not respond well to Aaron's no nonsense, just get the job done and lead by example style.

It is an interesting conversation piece and I agree with your points.
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Post#13 » by Run-MKE 311 » Wed Jan 23, 2013 4:47 pm

[RCG] wrote:I think the beginning of the article says all you need to know and slants the rest of the piece.

He criticized a reporter, sounds like the reporters are getting their revenge? I didn't hear anything especially damning. EDS was the right move at center, and I can see why he wanted Cobb off special teams. Wanting the rookies to play harder isn't bad and honestly besides sometimes holding on to the ball sometimes he doesn't make many mistakes so usually it isn't his fault. I wouldn't expect him to be a little bitter after a season-ending loss, in fact I would question if he weren't.


Agreed that could part of it as well, it seems like in general there is a certain degree of snippy behavior going on back and forth between the Packers and the local media.
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Post#14 » by crkone » Wed Jan 23, 2013 4:54 pm

I'm glad he has some Jordan in him. I absolutely love that he took this loss hard. He is the ultimate competitor. He has a freaking weekly show where he answers almost any question asked of him and is one of the best charitable athletes in the US.

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Post#15 » by MickeyDavis » Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:18 pm

Instead of some teammates taking shots at his leadership they need to grow up. You're playing at the highest level of the sport and making big money. This isn't the Boy Scouts. Be your own leader.
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Post#16 » by eagle13 » Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:56 pm

Jennings's wife is not Greg. Some women have a mouth regardless of husband. We don't know.
Finley is the ONLY player to have made open comments & those were about their chemistry and nothing about leadership.
I remember past TC articles that Aaron hangs and is friends w/ the OL guys.
He spoke in favor of Jones & Finley.
I've never heard him single out anyone for criticsm
He routinely includes himself when he does find fault.
Receivers acknowledge that when they run wrong route or drop a ball, Aaron rarely berates but rather gives them the "look" and they know.
He's been supportive of EDS & Barclay
Despite leading the league in sacks he never called out the OL.
He never blamed the D but took some blame that O wasn't able to keep them off the field more.

All sounds right to me.
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Post#17 » by emunney » Wed Jan 23, 2013 6:09 pm

This guy also wrote an article about Benson maybe being our best bet at RB. Yay Benson boo Rodgers.
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Post#18 » by emunney » Wed Jan 23, 2013 6:10 pm

If we had Benson he'd have physicaled those 49ers good with leadership.
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Post#19 » by MickeyDavis » Wed Jan 23, 2013 6:24 pm

Quarterback Aaron Rodgers considers defensive back Charles Woodson one of the core players on the Packers and said keeping him on the team for next season should be one of the top priorities.

Rodgers made his remarks on his weekly radio show on WAUK-AM (540) with reporter Jason Wilde.

"I know he is under contract and that he is an important part of our football team," Rodgers said about Woodson. "I think he adds a lot. He is still playing at a really high level. He’s very intelligent and sets a good example in preparation. He’s always watching film. He did a great job, especially, with guys like Sam Shields and Tramon (Williams), a couple of years back. He kind of took them under his wing. Now Tramon is carrying on that tradition. . . . Having his presence around the locker room really helps, setting an example for the young guys. It helps me out, as far as being the leader."

Rodgers was asked if he thought Woodson, 36, would entertain the idea of taking a pay cut to remain with the team, less than the $10 million he is due next season.

"I really don’t like talking for other players," Rodgers said. "Especially when money is involved. That gets a little dicey. That is something they would have to work out. I have said this before about other players. I don’t think you get better by taking from the whole, taking a core guy. And I think he is a core guy."ast season, Rodgers expressed his dissatisfaction with the farcical level of competition in the Pro Bowl game. Last week Rodgers said he would not be playing in the Pro Bowl in Honolulu because of an injury – Rodgers said ankle, coach Mike McCarthy said knee.

Rodgers was asked if he thought the league will decide not to stage a Pro Bowl game and just have an awards show for the various regular-season honors, including being selected for the Pro Bowl.

"I’d be surprised if there aren’t some major changes to the Pro Bowl after this season," Rodgers said. "I think they are under contract for this year. . . . I would guess there’d be some changes now and don’t know if that means move it to the States again, or just change the format or just do away with it entirely. I think the league has some stuff to talk about. There’s got to be some changes coming with that."

Before the Packers played the 49ers, Rodgers came down with a cold or flu. He still had that illness, he said.

"I have been sick for a couple of weeks now," Rodgers said. "It’s not a whole lot of fun, I can tell you that much."

Rodgers said he spent time last week with teammate Brett Goode at Goode’s home in Fort Smith, Arkansas.

Rodgers said he watched both conference championship games.

"I was surprised that both the road teams won," Rodgers said. "Usually that’s not the case. I don’t know what the percentages are, but I’d say the home team wins more often than not. Two good football games. Atlanta started out fast. You knew that San Fran was going to come back at some point. My feeling was that it was kind of Atlanta’s year with what happened against the Seahawks coming back late. Matt (Ryan) getting the respect he deserves as a premier quarterback in the league. Up 17-0 at home, I thought they had a chance to put them away. San Fran hung just around.

"Then the other game . . . I didn’t expect Baltimore to do that in the second half. But it’s going to be an exciting Super Bowl, I think."

Rodgers was asked about the contentions Bob McGinn of Journal Sentinel made in a column on Sunday – that the Packers play too soft to be considered among the NFL’s elite teams and that Packers' fans at Lambeau Field are not as loud and boisterous, hence not as disruptive and intimidating, to visiting teams as they have been in years past.

"I don’t know exactly how to answer that," Rodgers said. "We didn’t win as many games as we wanted to this year. We came up short in the playoffs. I like the makeup of our team. We’re not an offensive line that goes 330 across the board. We are not going to be a power running team. We are going to be a team that gets after you with tempo, with our skill players who are skilled as any group of guys in the league. If that makes us soft in some people’s opinions, I’m not going to be able to change that opinion. But we are going to win a lot of games around here with the guys that we have. As you have seen throughout the league, the league is going to more pass oriented schemes. And even Baltimore. I mean Baltimore is not the Baltimore of a couple of years ago. Joe Flacco is getting the opportunity to do some no-huddle stuff, to call stuff on the line of scrimmage. They are throwing the football around more. . . . I wouldn’t really call San Francisco a downhill running team either. They’re a lot of zone read stuff and throwing the ball around as well. I don’t get into that whole team evaluation stuff too much, but I can tell you I like our team and I know we can win with the guys that we’ve got."

Rodgers said he has "not seen a whole lot of change" in Lambeau crowds since he joined the team in 2005.

"I think it is a crowd that is a little more lively for the night games definitely," Rodgers said. "I think that is a strong advantage when we play Sunday night, Monday night, Thursday night games there. Sometimes at the noon games it’s not as loud. I think our fans are definitely into the game there. They are intelligent sports fans. They know when to cheer. And it is an advantage. Pair that with the cold. We do have an advantage."

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Post#20 » by jakecronus8 » Wed Jan 23, 2013 6:43 pm

Because of the Favre backlash in the past few years, it's become taboo in Wisconsin to criticize Rodgers for just about anything. This was a pretty ballsy article. I wasn't in the room but that whole situation with him ripping the reporters really comes off as off putting. I keep picturing someone like Rasheed Wallace doing it, not Aaron. Really really strange and childish behavior.

As far as his leadership, that's a tough one. You see signs of some dickery in Rodgers on the field a lot. He screams at guys on the field when they drop a pass or run the wrong route. I have never played professional sports but even if someone did that to me in front of my peers in a pick up game I'd be pretty pissed off. It's one thing to do it in the locker room but to lay someone out to dry and embarrass them in front of teammates and millions of viewers is another. Adults or not, they have pride.

Another astounding thing I saw was in the regular season finale when he exploded at McCarthy for throwing the challenge flag incorrectly. That was pretty garbage. If people start questioning the head coaches abilities, the team could lose faith real quick. As the quarterback you can't do things like that.

I guess he still has a lot of maturing to do. It's something I've thought of since the NY loss last year. Rodgers is 29, and similar to Favre, in the blink of an eye, his prime will be past him, and we'll have just one Super Bowl to show for it. I hope Green Bay gets serious about adding talent to the team rather than the stay the course and develop exclusively from the draft route. I also hope Rodgers reads this article and learns from it, though I could easily see him going the other way and shutting others out. Happened with Favre.
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