Pick and Roll questions

[IamBBAnalysis]

Yeah...
Pau catches, looks for a pass, and shoots as a last recourse.
Kobe catches, dribbles, posts up, and shoots.
Artest only catches and shoots rarely. Most of the time he catches, dribbles and shoots.
Clark catches, drives and shoots.

The only real catch and shooter on the team is Meeks, but he's a black-hole and an inefficient one at that.

It sure seems like for Nash to be truly effective, he needs guys to catch and shoot and make at a high clip. It not only spreads the floor for guys like Dwight, but it keeps the defense from collapsing on Nash as well.

Yeah, if you are the defense and are not worried about guys catching and shooting you will just leave them "somewhat open" and make sure to lock up the roll man and not allow Nash a wide open look. That's why you see the mid range guy open so much for the Lakers (when they do actually run the pick and roll). Team's are "giving up something" (that is what the pick and roll does it makes the defense give up something) but it is not something the Lakers want.

You'll notice the one shot the Lakers got in the Memphis game off the pick and roll was Clark for the mid range shot. I think he also got one layup off it.

This team is not playing correctly off the pick and roll at all so its really hard to judge it based on that. But the Suns teams constantly rotated different guys in and it always worked. But you have to be able to make open shots and take them. That is basketball. The Lakers can't and hold the ball...so that's a problem.

[JohnVancouver]

From that video, the Suns were all great shooters, spread the floor to the point that the only one even close to the paint was Amare, and Nash could hit anyone from anywhere.
Amare wasn't that much better than Dwight at setting screens though, or maybe more correctly, Nash never really goes hard at the screen.

We don't have the shooters to spread the floor, every player in our starting 5 aside from Nash is best in the paint offensively, and Nash isn't the player he was.

We can't play like those Suns.

One other thing of note, is that they were more of a half-court team than people give them credit for.

If that's how the FO wants us to play, we have to get rid of Pau and get shooters... A lot of them.

Dwight might be able to be Amare, but Amare had a mid range shot. Maybe Pau's a better fit at that, and Dwight needs to go...

Either way, it's going to require some trading.

Pau's not Amar'e, but he can do things Amar'e couldn't. Maybe that's how we get Pau in the paint where he's happy.


You know, the signing I wish the lakers had made was ... Grant Hill. He and Nash are still a great team, at least, last year.

This is why I'm not happy seeing Dwight back right away - I think they could really gell with a Kobe/PaU/Clark/Nash and Mamba lineup. Dwight is Little Hands of Concrete in the post.

[JohnVancouver]

comments?


http://www.lakersnation.com/how-to-fix- ... 013/01/24/

[JustAwesome]

You know, the signing I wish the lakers had made was ... Grant Hill. He and Nash are still a great team, at least, last year.

Hill would have definitely been a great addition to the team. You need people like him around. However, he wouldn't have made enough of a difference to squash the major issues affecting the team.

[Nitro1118]

Get off that it's the hardest play to defend. You can shut that sh*t down with crisp rotations and strong traps on the guard. For example if you blitz the guard hard, the weak side has to be watching. The roll man needs to be picked up by the closes weak side defender to keep him from going straight to the basket. If the back side of the defense is paying attention, you can set the roller up for charges all day.

It depends on personel, but the PnR is extremely difficult to defend if you got a smart PG (or wing like LeBron, Wade, T-Mac, etc..), some shooters and a pick man who demands defensive attention off the roll.

Miami has been the best the last few years at defending the PnR, and killed the Lakers last week, but despite their speed and hedging they still get burned at times by PnR offense. As you mentioned with curls off ball-reversals that get the defense scrambling, a good PnR team does the same exact thing. If Miami doesn't completely disrupt the offense by trapping the PG and causing him to pick up his dribble for a few seconds, their defense is put in an extremely vulnerbale position. If the pick man has a good jumper, he either has the opportunity for an easy jumper (since his man jumped the PG on the pick), or will be one pass away from getting another player an open shot if someone rotates to him. Miami has the quickness and wit to recover from those types of situations many nights, but there are some teams that still pick them apart with the PnR.

2008 Boston was probably the best I've seen at defending it due to KG, but that is an all-time defense. Your average "good" defense still often has fits defending a good PnR squad.

[Lakeshow2417]

1. Why don't we do it more often?
2. When we do it, why do we suck so bad?

Doesnt help when we have artest who is shooting like 27%

[GMATCallahan]

Nash and Howard aren't quite what they used to be physically, but the major issues are shooters, spacing, and flow. On Christmas Day, I warned people that what happened in Phoenix would not necessarily transfer to Los Angeles just because of the Nash transplantation.

I explained matters in a long post here, a month ago:

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=1192331&start=780

(Scroll down a bit.)

[GMATCallahan]

You know, the signing I wish the lakers had made was ... Grant Hill. He and Nash are still a great team, at least, last year.

Hill would have definitely been a great addition to the team. You need people like him around. However, he wouldn't have made enough of a difference to squash the major issues affecting the team.

... agreed, especially since he's forty and coming off two recent knee surgeries and other knee problems.

[AcecardZ]

You know, the signing I wish the lakers had made was ... Grant Hill. He and Nash are still a great team, at least, last year.

Hill would have definitely been a great addition to the team. You need people like him around. However, he wouldn't have made enough of a difference to squash the major issues affecting the team.

... agreed, especially since he's forty and coming off two recent knee surgeries and other knee problems.

Exactly... The Clippers have been no better since Hill has joined the team.

[nashill]

“We’d like to get him in the pick and roll more,” Nash said Sunday. “I think that’s how he was really good in Orlando. He’d pick and he’d dive and they’d swing and put it in to him, so he could get deeper catches and the help side has a more difficult time coming to him.

“I don’t know. It’s been difficult really to get him into that game – running into pick and rolls, diving hard, looking for the ball. We really haven’t found that rhythm from him yet.”

expect more pick n roll from now on. it will be more deadly on the 2nd or 3rd pass as howard gets the ball nearer to the basket which is a lot easier to him rather than the iso on the low post.

in the game vs phoenix, howard looked more motivated on the pick n roll as even though the first pass off nash doesnt go to him, the 2nd or 3rd pass could still go to him which it did.