All Star Ballot....So Predictable....and Lame

RyanStorm · Post #1 » by **RyanStorm** » Fri Jan 25, 2013 2:49 am

It comes at no surprise that neither Jazz nor Nuggets got an All Star pick, while un-deserving players got in:

Kobe
Howard
Harden
Aldridge

All on losing teams yet, they make up half the starters and two got in on the reserves. The same thing happened on the East coast but that doesn't matter.

I think its unfair that these four got in, while neither Denver's or Utah's men got a spot, considering they have a way better record, while having individual athletes who are way more deserving, especially since Lakers got two picks, at the starter....psh!

This just proves that "all-star" is not the same definition as it use to. Its just a stupid popularity contest that only goes to players who sell tickets, not wins. Basketball has always been about stars like Jordan, no one ever remembers James Worthy from NC! No diss to these players, but there not winning games.

I can understand having two players from one team if your #1 in your conference, like Clippers or Heat....but Lakers and Celtics?? They have sucked all year. Aldridge and Harden, psh. Denver has always been ahead of both of them, while Utah has surpassed them. I would pick Jefferson and Iguodala over any of these picks, they are hot and winning, and actually going to the playoffs, unlike some players!?!

All Star players not going to the playoffs...just sounds weird? How about, half the all star starters not going to the playoffs or not having a winning record on both sides?? Is the all-star game, just as big of joke as the slam dunk contest was in the past few years??(Evans being the only legit slammer).

nguyenbalong · Post #2 » by **nguyenbalong** » Fri Jan 25, 2013 3:08 am

its all about popularity nothing new. In the end we just dont have the fan base and voting power needed for the all star also playing team ball hurts us cause we have no one go to guy.

The59Sound · Post #3 » by **The59Sound** » Fri Jan 25, 2013 3:49 am

Iguodala over Harden? What could the argument for that possibly be?

I get the "if two guys are pretty close, give it to the guy whose team is doing better" argument, but Harden and Iguodala are a continent apart.

Spottieottie · Post #4 » by **Spottieottie** » Fri Jan 25, 2013 4:34 am

None of our guys deserved it this year anyway.

russnumber3 · Post #5 » by **russnumber3** » Fri Jan 25, 2013 4:34 am

The59Sound wrote:Iguodala over Harden? What could the argument for that possibly be?

I get the "if two guys are pretty close, give it to the guy whose team is doing better" argument, but Harden and Iguodala are a continent apart.

Really? Funny because I'm pretty sure Iggy made the All-Star team consistently in the Eastern conference, and this will only be Harden's second appearance. Maybe Harden has passed him up ever so slightly, which is debatable, but "a continent apart??"

QuantumMacgyver · Post #6 » by **QuantumMacgyver** » Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:52 am

russnumber3 wrote:
The59Sound wrote:Iguodala over Harden? What could the argument for that possibly be?

I get the "if two guys are pretty close, give it to the guy whose team is doing better" argument, but Harden and Iguodala are a continent apart.

Really? Funny because I'm pretty sure Iggy made the All-Star team consistently in the Eastern conference, and this will only be Harden's second appearance. Maybe Harden has passed him up ever so slightly, which is debatable, but "a continent apart??"

Yeah, this year they are a continent apart.

Charlie_S · Post #7 » by **Charlie_S** » Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:29 am

Iguodala hasn't been good this season, Harden was a lock and rightfully so - I say this as a Harden hater, can't really stand his game.

IMO, no Jazz player deserved consideration for the ASG this season, no matter what stats say. I can't figure out how they could leave Marc Gasol and Curry out, though.

Post #8 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Fri Jan 25, 2013 9:16 am

it's nothing new that being an allstar became a popularity contest, and it doesn't mean "best players" or "most deserving players" anymore.

that being said, fans only choose the starting 5. the coaches select the rest, so while i think there are many undeserving players on the list (both east and west) - the coaches share a lot of the blame for those sucky lists. they chose to select many players from losing teams, just like the fans. Irving plays for the team with the worst record in the league, while the nets don't have one allstar. Harden deserves to be an allstar though.

The59Sound · Post #9 » by **The59Sound** » Fri Jan 25, 2013 2:14 pm

russnumber3 wrote:
The59Sound wrote:Iguodala over Harden? What could the argument for that possibly be?

I get the "if two guys are pretty close, give it to the guy whose team is doing better" argument, but Harden and Iguodala are a continent apart.

Really? Funny because I'm pretty sure Iggy made the All-Star team consistently in the Eastern conference, and this will only be Harden's second appearance. Maybe Harden has passed him up ever so slightly, which is debatable, but "a continent apart??"

The All Star game isn't "who did better in previous years?" Look at their numbers for this season; it's not "ever so slight."

red4hf · Post #10 » by **red4hf** » Fri Jan 25, 2013 4:57 pm

I don't think we have any players this season deserving of an All-Star invite.......

Neon Black · Post #11 » by **Neon Black** » Fri Jan 25, 2013 5:35 pm

Jeremy Evans really wasn't that great in the dunk contest. Let's be honest with ourselves.

Post #12 » by **DelaneyRudd** » Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:47 pm

I have no issues with who was taken. There were some obligatory guys who were passed over in favor of more deserving new guys.

Neon Black · Post #13 » by **Neon Black** » Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:55 pm

No one on the Jazz should have been picked. The real travesty is that Steph Curry was omitted and that Duncan wasn't a starter.

Post #14 » by **StocktonShorts** » Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:19 pm

You know what's lame? That people use All-Star selections as a mark of quality instead of All-NBA selections.

For one thing the starters are voted on by fans worldwide with essentially not limitation on how often someone may vote.

Secondly, the voting opens a quarter of the way through the season and closes less than half the way through.

So you're asking fans (in the case of the starters) and coaches (in the case of the reserves) to pick the All-Stars based on how they've done in the first 20-40 games of the season. And based on that uninformed decision that player will be able to state the he is/was an All-Star.

RyanStorm · Post #15 » by **RyanStorm** » Fri Jan 25, 2013 9:37 pm

Neon Black wrote:No one on the Jazz should have been picked. The real travesty is that Steph Curry was omitted and that Duncan wasn't a starter.

Curry is so amazing, best #1 3pter and so much more. Not only are his stats Amazing "this year", but he is actually constantly winning "all year", and is a sure fire to take his team to the playoffs, unlike Kobe, Howard, Harden and Aldridge!!!!!! I say the same thing for UTA and DEN, its just not as blatantly rude to leave them out, cause were "smaller markets" and we don't matter, but I still think its kind of unfair.

If Utah and Denver would have been this hot since October, I think things would be different(but probably not, even POR and HOU were as low as SAC or NO, they would still get picks just like Lakers). Typical Aldridge and Harden(and their teams) have been way more inconsistent than both Utah and Denver, POR has one win in their last 7. Harden, is still 6th man of the year Harden(not the Harden who isn't taking Rockets to playoffs)! If Harden is as good as his stats say, then why have they only won one game in the last 9!!

I just think Aldridge and Harden are over rated, and blown away why anyone picked Kobe or Howard, let alone Aldrdige or Harden, when guys like Curry, Iggy and Jefferson are clear winners, and decent stats to back them up. Stats can be padded based of your system, it doesn't mean your winning!

I am sure Jefferson could put up 30-10-5 a night, if ref's would give him every little foul that happens to him(like howard and kobe, lebron...etc). I base a man by his wins first, and his stats second. Iggy, Curry and Jefferson are just way more deserving to me, than a lot of these picks.

I want to throw this out there, but shouldn't Foye be going to the 3pt shootout??? He is the 3rd best shooter in terms of 3pt %, based off guys who have shot over 200 attempts!!! Evans was the only one who can actually do a decent dunk, even though the NBA is filled with awesome dunkers. As much as I want a repeat win, I would like some real competition for Evans. Tinsley should also be at the skills challenge......but like I said, Utah doesn't matter, cause there isn't as much people watching Jazz games, compared to Knick games, so Novak is more likely to go than Foye. I bet even Curry won't be in!!

Neon Black · Post #16 » by **Neon Black** » Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:15 pm

^ Korver and Okur never participated in the 3 pt shootout, so I doubt Foye does. I actually really like the 3pt segment. I wish they filled it with the best pure shooters.

Post #17 » by **StocktonShorts** » Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:43 pm

RyanStorm wrote:I just think Aldridge and Harden are over rated, and blown away why anyone picked Kobe or Howard, let alone Aldrdige or Harden, when guys like Curry, Iggy and Jefferson are clear winners, and decent stats to back them up. Stats can be padded based of your system, it doesn't mean your winning!

I think you can make a case for Jefferson over Aldridge or Howard based on their performance this year, but if you asked me "Is Al Jefferson an All-Star?" my immediate reaction would be that he isn't. Maybe my perception is skewed, but I don't think he's viewed as an All-Star or potential All-Star by many coaches or scouts in the league.

I have a much harder time seeing why anyone should pick Iggy over Harden or Kobe. It's fashionable to hate on Kobe and the struggling Lakers, but he's having a great individual season, despite the team's struggles. Is it Kobe's fault that everyone else of note on a very thin Lakers team has been injured this season?

As for Harden, he's having an excellent year as the primary option on the Rockets and is the main reason they're in the playoffs as of today.

russnumber3 · Post #18 » by **russnumber3** » Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:45 pm

Didn't know Iggy's numbers are so horrible this year. :oops:

Thanks for baiting me into that one, whoever posted.

In any case, I would much rather start a team with previous versions of Iggy than with Harden.

Post #19 » by **StocktonShorts** » Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:46 pm

Neon Black wrote:^ Korver and Okur never participated in the 3 pt shootout, so I doubt Foye does. I actually really like the 3pt segment. I wish they filled it with the best pure shooters.

I actually think Hayward might do better than Foye in a 3-pt shootout. Hayward's shot seems more economical in terms of motion and jumping. It'd be fun to watch the two of them go at it.

dr0welf · Post #20 » by **dr0welf** » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:48 am

StocktonShorts wrote:
Neon Black wrote:^ Korver and Okur never participated in the 3 pt shootout, so I doubt Foye does. I actually really like the 3pt segment. I wish they filled it with the best pure shooters.

I actually think Hayward might do better than Foye in a 3-pt shootout. Hayward's shot seems more economical in terms of motion and jumping. It'd be fun to watch the two of them go at it.

I think it should be the highest percentage shooters that shoot it out. Their would have to be a minimum # of shots to qualify so Big Al doesn't qualify. But then the shooters are chosen by performance, and would put the best shooters out there every year with clearing bragging rights to the winner.