What are our trade assets?

[theBigLip]

I think there was a thread about this before, but wtf, here it comes again since this should predict what we will do at the trade deadline.

And I don't even want to consider minor assets. If our goal is to be an elite team, than what assets do we have that can get us something to be part of the future, elite Pistons? I consider Drummond and Monroe as part of that, and anyone else is at best a backup, role player.

We actually don't have a future first rounder to trade since the trade w/ Charlotte ties all futures up until this is resolved. And second round draft picks don't really bring back something that would help us substantially.

So does Stuckey, Tay, Knight, JJ, Daye, Singler, or anyone bring us back anything of significance? I doubt Tay gets traded, so maybe just Stuckey has much positive value.

Our only substantial asset is cap space. Which of course we have planned to use for free agency in the summer. I think we have just as good of a chance using that cap space now in a trade instead of waiting for us to get ignored in free agency. OJ Mayo coming here? I'm sure we're not on his top 10.

So if we combined Maggette's expiring with Stucky, can we get someone like Granger? Or Stuckey and pieces and get Tyreke Evans?

Bottomline, I'll be shocked if we pull off a trade at this year's deadline. We just don't have to pieces to make something happen.

[ComboGuardCity]

We talked a little about this in the other trade deadline thread and the only realistic person of long term value is Wilson Chandler.

Max, Stuckey, 2016 1st rounder for Mozgov and Chandler.

[Goldtop]

Chandler is a solid SF, but I don't see him ever being better than a Tayshaun caliber player. Which worked for our last championship team, but I'd like us to try and find more of a star-type scorer at SF for this team.

[vege]

OJ Mayo trade is out of question, he is on a 1 year deal and if he gets traded he loses the bird right.

Our pick cannot be traded but there are ways to get around it. For example, next season our pick is top 14 protected which in theory means we can trade it if we add conditions, making it tradeable. If it's between #1 and #14 pick, but there is another problem. We cannot possibly go to 2 drafts without a 1st round pick.

So, in order to trade our pick we would need to acquire another pick and make sure it does not conflict with the pick we owe to Charlotte.

We have pieces that could possibly net us a late first round pick, making our pick tradeable. Maxiell and Bynum are surely worth a late 1st round pick and a useless expiring to a contender. We can take on salary for one of our expirings in exchange of a 1st round pick. We could possibly combine 2nd round picks to get a late 1st round pick from a team not interested in add guaranteed money. Those trades usually happen on the draft day tho.

I don't see Stuckey having a positive value, he is being paid 8.5 million next year and his production has been horrible (for a guy paying almost like an all star), he is not worth that contract.

I don't see Knight having a lot of value either, he has been struggling and failing hard and he is no longer a rookie, at this point it's better to hold on him and hope at some point he figure things out.

I don't think you need to go for a slam dunk trade, look at what Houston did, they stock pilled assets and ended up with Harden. We could trade our assets for more desired assets in order to find a piece that fit our future.

Lastly we can go for players who do not have huge trade value right now because they are being missused somewhere else. For example, Kyle Lowry lost his starting spot to Calderon. We could trade Maxiell for a late 1st, allowing us to trade our pick and then trade our pick for Lowry.

[Goldtop]

I don't think you need to go for a slam dunk trade, look at what Houston did, they stock pilled assets and ended up with Harden. We could trade our assets for more desired assets in order to find a piece that fit our future.

I think we have the pieces to stockpile a bunch of late 1st round picks. With guys like Stuckey, Max, Bynum, CV, and Jerebko, I think we should be able to ship off at least a couple of them to contenders for some future late 1st round picks.

Then if we can get like 2 or 3, we can use them like HOU did and land a bigger piece

[ComboGuardCity]

OJ Mayo trade is out of question, he is on a 1 year deal and if he gets traded he loses the bird right.

Our pick cannot be traded but there are ways to get around it. For example, next season our pick is top 14 protected which in theory means we can trade it if we add conditions, making it tradeable. If it's between #1 and #14 pick, but there is another problem. We cannot possibly go to 2 drafts without a 1st round pick.

So, in order to trade our pick we would need to acquire another pick and make sure it does not conflict with the pick we owe to Charlotte.

We have pieces that could possibly net us a late first round pick, making our pick tradeable. Maxiell and Bynum are surely worth a late 1st round pick and a useless expiring to a contender. We can take on salary for one of our expirings in exchange of a 1st round pick. We could possibly combine 2nd round picks to get a late 1st round pick from a team not interested in add guaranteed money. Those trades usually happen on the draft day tho.

I don't see Stuckey having a positive value, he is being paid 8.5 million next year and his production has been horrible (for a guy paying almost like an all star), he is not worth that contract.

I don't see Knight having a lot of value either, he has been struggling and failing hard and he is no longer a rookie, at this point it's better to hold on him and hope at some point he figure things out.

I don't think you need to go for a slam dunk trade, look at what Houston did, they stock pilled assets and ended up with Harden. We could trade our assets for more desired assets in order to find a piece that fit our future.

Lastly we can go for players who do not have huge trade value right now because they are being missused somewhere else. For example, Kyle Lowry lost his starting spot to Calderon. We could trade Maxiell for a late 1st, allowing us to trade our pick and then trade our pick for Lowry.

This is actually wrong. We can trade a pick this year. It just has to have a provision that its redeemable 2 years after the Charlotte trade is redeemed.

[ComboGuardCity]

Chandler is a solid SF, but I don't see him ever being better than a Tayshaun caliber player. Which worked for our last championship team, but I'd like us to try and find more of a star-type scorer at SF for this team.

Yeah I think Chandler can be a decent 17-20 guy. I'm all for offering OJ the Max and overpaying if we can get a decent guy like Chandler

Knight
Mayo
Chandler
Monroe
Drummond

[vege]

This is actually wrong. We can trade a pick this year. It just has to have a provision that its redeemable 2 years after the Charlotte trade is redeemed.

No, what I said is actually corrected but as usual you're coming with 2 stones in your hands and ready to throw at me . You're talking about something I haven't said.

I clearly said we can't trade 2 picks in consecutive drafts. We can trade this year's pick if we acquire another pick in this year's draft, that's what I said. We can trade our 2019 pick since our 2017 is unprotected IIRC or is it 2016? doesn't matter. I'm talking about this year's pick not trading a future pick.

I think we have the pieces to stockpile a bunch of late 1st round picks. With guys like Stuckey, Max, Bynum, CV, and Jerebko, I think we should be able to ship off at least a couple of them to contenders for some future late 1st round picks.

Then if we can get like 2 or 3, we can use them like HOU did and land a bigger piece

I'm glad we're finally speaking the same language, see without insults, irony, jabs we can get somewhere. That illustrate what I wrote and is what Joe D should be doing on the phone right now.

[ComboGuardCity]

This is actually wrong. We can trade a pick this year. It just has to have a provision that its redeemable 2 years after the Charlotte trade is redeemed.

No, what I said is actually corrected but as usual you're coming with 2 stones in your hands and ready to throw at me . You're talking about something I haven't said.

I clearly said we can't trade 2 picks in consecutive drafts. We can trade this year's pick if we acquire another pick in this year's draft, that's what I said. We can trade our 2019 pick since our 2017 is unprotected IIRC or is it 2016? doesn't matter. I'm talking about this year's pick not trading a future pick.

I think we have the pieces to stockpile a bunch of late 1st round picks. With guys like Stuckey, Max, Bynum, CV, and Jerebko, I think we should be able to ship off at least a couple of them to contenders for some future late 1st round picks.

Then if we can get like 2 or 3, we can use them like HOU did and land a bigger piece

I'm glad we're finally speaking the same language, see without insults, irony, jabs we can get somewhere. That illustrate what I wrote and is what Joe D should be doing on the phone right now.

No stones, just facts. We do not need to acquire a pick to trade a pick which is all you stated in your original post.

[Jodi]

I'm out of trade idea's for this squad...I want good players like Rudy Gay, Eric Gordon, or Josh Smith on our team...I wouldn't mind Wilson Chandler, Monte Ellis, or Evans...I hope we make something happen before the trade deadline, I want us to make the playoffs...

[jaredtyshaf]

We have cap room and there are good players in this year's FA class. There is no need to overspend on a player via trade before we see what we can get this summer. Unless of course a team wants to do a salary dump type trade that greatly favors us.

[theBigLip]

I'm out of trade idea's for this squad...I want good players like Rudy Gay, Eric Gordon, or Josh Smith on our team...I wouldn't mind Wilson Chandler, Monte Ellis, or Evans...I hope we make something happen before the trade deadline, I want us to make the playoffs...

Notice how good Golden State became once they got rid of Monte? A black hole with the ball and can't play D. I'll pass. I like the thought of Josh Smith though.

[vege]

No stones, just facts. We do not need to acquire a pick to trade a pick which is all you stated in your original post.

And I'm still talking about one thing and you making it look like I'm talking about a different thing just to make it look like I'm wrong. Anyways I can't take a guy who's only objective is to insult me since his first post seriously so whatever. Haters will always be haters.

[vege]

Notice how good Golden State became once they got rid of Monte? A black hole with the ball and can't play D. I'll pass. I like the thought of Josh Smith though.

They still have Curry, Thompson and Lee who are high volume scorers and not know for their defense. Monta is probably the better defender of the 4

[Jodi]

Notice how good Golden State became once they got rid of Monte? A black hole with the ball and can't play D. I'll pass. I like the thought of Josh Smith though.

Do you think Josh Smith's a max player??. Or here's a better question, would you offer Smith a 5yr/94mil contract this summer to play for the Pistons??.

[scrop32]

^ hell no!

i'll settle with moose resigning half the amount

[Goldtop]

I like Smith but not for the max.

[ComboGuardCity]

No stones, just facts. We do not need to acquire a pick to trade a pick which is all you stated in your original post.

And I'm still talking about one thing and you making it look like I'm talking about a different thing just to make it look like I'm wrong. Anyways I can't take a guy who's only objective is to insult me since his first post seriously so whatever. Haters will always be haters.

Please don't make me out to be some petty poster trying to attack you. So much irony is filled in your statement. The fact is, you were wrong. Directly from your "analysis:"

So, in order to trade our pick we would need to acquire another pick and make sure it does not conflict with the pick we owe to Charlotte.

Guess what? Its inaccurate. No big deal. Everybody is wrong at times, but stop spouting misinformation and then backing it up.

[ComboGuardCity]

I know he takes Stupid shots and will probably make Frank lose his last follicles, but how about JR Smith? The guy wants to start and he's a decent defender when he's locked in. I'd give him 7-8 per for 3 years.

[mercury]

Josh Smith doesn't provide enough outside shooting... when they're in a half court set the D would b packed in ... preventing our guards from getting inside and stagnating A.D.s growth.
Not that Greg has proven any range but we haven't seen the end result... with Smith it's what we see today.