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Around the NBA part 3

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Re: Around the NBA part 3 

Post#921 » by bigbreakfast » Sun Jan 27, 2013 11:03 pm

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god shammgod wrote:dwight is just not that athletic anymore. i don't know who convinced him he needed back surgery but it's looking bad.

He said he couldn't feel his legs because of the injury he had to have the surgery to be able to walk :lol:


actually back injuries involving nerve roots like the one howard has can leave your legs weak and numb. surgery is usually reserved for the most serious cases, nothing unbelievable there.
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Post#922 » by CrazyKnicks » Sun Jan 27, 2013 11:07 pm

Westbrick strikes again.
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Re: Around the NBA part 3 

Post#923 » by AllanHoustonFan » Sun Jan 27, 2013 11:07 pm

Kobe with the dagger...hate to say it, but OKC could really have used Harden tonight.
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Re: Around the NBA part 3 

Post#924 » by Brooklyn_Yards » Sun Jan 27, 2013 11:10 pm

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Brooklyn_Yards wrote:
god shammgod wrote:dwight is just not that athletic anymore. i don't know who convinced him he needed back surgery but it's looking bad.

He said he couldn't feel his legs because of the injury he had to have the surgery to be able to walk :lol:


actually back injuries involving nerve roots like the one howard has can leave your legs weak and numb. surgery is usually reserved for the most serious cases, nothing unbelievable there.

I wasn't saying it was unbelievable I was laughing at what sham said if I couldn't feel my legs I'd choose surgery over my atheleticism too.
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Re: Around the NBA part 3 

Post#925 » by Fat Kat » Sun Jan 27, 2013 11:10 pm

AllanHoustonFan wrote:KD going to the line for the slightest bit of contact. I'm so sick of it.


Yeah. It's beyond ridiculous.
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Re: Around the NBA part 3 

Post#926 » by yaboynyp » Sun Jan 27, 2013 11:15 pm

14 assists for Kobe??? Impressive
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Post#927 » by Bran Fast Hands » Sun Jan 27, 2013 11:20 pm

Back to back 14 assist game for Kobe, more impressive.
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Post#928 » by ihaveawizardowl » Sun Jan 27, 2013 11:44 pm

I haven't watched the last two Lakers game (or any Lakers games minus them playing Knicks) but if Kobe keeps putting up those stats (mainly the assists) then I believe the Lakers will want to turn it around. It all hinges on what Kobe does for them and how he maneuvers them back into playoff contention.
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Re: Around the NBA part 3 

Post#929 » by knicksnyk » Mon Jan 28, 2013 12:38 am

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knicksnyk wrote:Did somebody really says stats confirm what you see? That is utter crap. Has anybody ever heard of confirmation bias?

http://wagesofwins.com/2012/03/22/you-w ... s-so-what/

People that say Lin is an awful defender are kidding themselves. Daryl Morey himself said he was a good defender unless you presume to know more about the NBA than Morey

Also you don't use DRTG as a stat for defense because DRTG is a stat for team defense not individual defense.

There are so many stats that give a decent indication of individual defensive ability that say Lin is a good defender (synergy, on/off, DRAPM) but keep on keeping.

And FYI Synergy isn't advanced stats there is absolultey nothing advanced about synergy. get your facts straight yall.

You expect Morey to admit his own player is weak defensively? :lol:

And for the record drtg is also a player rating.


Morey openly said that Lin is a poor shooter.

He openly said that his PF's need to be better rebounders & openly said that Chandler Parsons defense has regressed

He also openly said that Dragic asked for too much money in the off season

so yes considering that morey has been incredibly honest about his team I do believe he would admit Lin was a poor defeneder. But Lin isn't so I repeat. Unless you presume to know more about the Rockets than Darly Morey I would advise you to reconsider your "eye test"
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Re: Around the NBA part 3 

Post#930 » by bigbreakfast » Mon Jan 28, 2013 1:01 am

Brooklyn_Yards wrote:
bigbreakfast wrote:
Brooklyn_Yards wrote:He said he couldn't feel his legs because of the injury he had to have the surgery to be able to walk :lol:


actually back injuries involving nerve roots like the one howard has can leave your legs weak and numb. surgery is usually reserved for the most serious cases, nothing unbelievable there.

I wasn't saying it was unbelievable I was laughing at what sham said if I couldn't feel my legs I'd choose surgery over my atheleticism too.


oh ok my fault. I just exacerbated a back injury i got back in hs/college recently, and im still trying to gain strength back in my left leg. you never really heal from those type of back injuries. :(
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Re: Around the NBA part 3 

Post#931 » by rockmanslim » Mon Jan 28, 2013 1:53 am

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21shumpshumpst wrote:
Thank you so much for this. So basically their stats are based on criteria they made up and don't take into account all defensive schemes and in some cases it is left to an analyst judgment.
That is all I needed to know that. thanks again.


You should call up all the collegiate and professional teams that actually pay to use synergy stats and tell them what a fraud they are and tell them your eye test said so.


also, it's my understanding that every single play that is annotated in synergy includes a video clip of said play. if synergy is incorrectly logging plays like 21shump is implying, they would easily be found out, customers would lose trust in them, and they would go out of business pretty quickly. the video of each play is right there for paying customers to see for themselves.

also i'm pretty sure they screen loggers pretty thoroughly for this very reason. i thought i did pretty well on that online exam, but i know i made some mistakes due to not remembering the exact notation and syntax they used to annotate plays, and at the time i was too lazy to go back a few pages to look it up. i thought i could half-ass it and get enough right to get consideration. they never e-mailed/called me back.

none of this is to defend lin. i've seen every rockets game this season and lin has been a fringe nba starting pg. the rockets will need to upgrade their PG position if they want to build a contender around harden. sorry lin fans, lin just isn't cutting it. so no, this post isn't to defend lin, it's more to defend synergy.
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Re: Around the NBA part 3 

Post#932 » by rockmanslim » Mon Jan 28, 2013 2:07 am

synergy is a great tool and a great idea. but it doesn't capture everything. remember, it only captures an action that ends in a shot attempt, turnover, or a shooting foul. anything that happened in that possession before that final action is NOT captured by synergy.
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Re: Around the NBA part 3 

Post#933 » by Fat Kat » Mon Jan 28, 2013 3:11 am

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Re: Around the NBA part 3 

Post#934 » by knicksnyk » Mon Jan 28, 2013 3:24 am

rockmanslim wrote:
bigbreakfast wrote:
21shumpshumpst wrote:
Thank you so much for this. So basically their stats are based on criteria they made up and don't take into account all defensive schemes and in some cases it is left to an analyst judgment.
That is all I needed to know that. thanks again.


You should call up all the collegiate and professional teams that actually pay to use synergy stats and tell them what a fraud they are and tell them your eye test said so.


also, it's my understanding that every single play that is annotated in synergy includes a video clip of said play. if synergy is incorrectly logging plays like 21shump is implying, they would easily be found out, customers would lose trust in them, and they would go out of business pretty quickly. the video of each play is right there for paying customers to see for themselves.



you are completely accurate there is video to back up every data set that is inputed.
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Post#935 » by isiah_thomas » Mon Jan 28, 2013 3:25 am

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Re: Around the NBA part 3 

Post#936 » by god shammgod » Mon Jan 28, 2013 3:30 am

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Fat Kat wrote:Image

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the staredown :lol:


that's what makes it. that face. :lol:
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Re: Around the NBA part 3 

Post#937 » by 21shumpshumpst » Mon Jan 28, 2013 4:19 am

rockmanslim wrote:
bigbreakfast wrote:
21shumpshumpst wrote:
Thank you so much for this. So basically their stats are based on criteria they made up and don't take into account all defensive schemes and in some cases it is left to an analyst judgment.
That is all I needed to know that. thanks again.


You should call up all the collegiate and professional teams that actually pay to use synergy stats and tell them what a fraud they are and tell them your eye test said so.


also, it's my understanding that every single play that is annotated in synergy includes a video clip of said play. if synergy is incorrectly logging plays like 21shump is implying, they would easily be found out, customers would lose trust in them, and they would go out of business pretty quickly. the video of each play is right there for paying customers to see for themselves.

also i'm pretty sure they screen loggers pretty thoroughly for this very reason. i thought i did pretty well on that online exam, but i know i made some mistakes due to not remembering the exact notation and syntax they used to annotate plays, and at the time i was too lazy to go back a few pages to look it up. i thought i could half-ass it and get enough right to get consideration. they never e-mailed/called me back.

none of this is to defend lin. i've seen every rockets game this season and lin has been a fringe nba starting pg. the rockets will need to upgrade their PG position if they want to build a contender around harden. sorry lin fans, lin just isn't cutting it. so no, this post isn't to defend lin, it's more to defend synergy.


No I am not saying synergy doesn't have videos to back up their "stats". What i am saying is their stats are made up of interpretation by what synergy defines as each stat. For the defensive stat in question they clearly didn't even address the fact of defensive schemes or quality of opponent each player faces when in isolation.

That is like saying between forwards Amare is viewed the same in isolation as Gerald Wallace. One is constantly defending the best player the other is not.

I cannot begin to describe how idiotic that is.

Also like I said I am sure Synergy offers their stats as packages and I am sure some of their stats are useless but because others are soooo useful and NOT left to interpretation (hi heat maps) then teams will pay.
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Re: Around the NBA part 3 

Post#938 » by 21shumpshumpst » Mon Jan 28, 2013 4:21 am

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Re: Around the NBA part 3 

Post#939 » by barborous » Mon Jan 28, 2013 4:35 am

Wow, Griffin is a way better playmaker than I thought. He's really got a chance to show it off with CP3 out and the starting PG a guy who's really just an explosive scorer.
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Re: Around the NBA part 3 

Post#940 » by ibraheim718 » Mon Jan 28, 2013 5:52 am

If Bean can keep this up.. taking less shots and passing the ball more.. creating plays LA might make a little push.

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