Paul George vs. Too Big Yo

Neon Black · Post #1 » by **Neon Black** » Mon Jan 28, 2013 11:57 pm

Thought I'd take a look at how they compare with stats outside of per/game metrics to get rid of the minutes discrepancy (Paul George plays about 10 more minutes every night)

Categories that Hayward win are in blue, George in red

This is for this season only.

Misc. Advanced Stats

Paul George

Usage % 23.8
True Shooting % .530
PER 17.3
Off Rating 104
Def Rating 97
WIn Shares/48 games .145

Gordon Hayward

Usage % 23.9
True Shooting % .552
PER 16.2
Off Rating 109
Def Rating 110
WIn Shares/48 games .101

Per 36m

Paul George

PTS 16.9
STL 1.7
AST 3.6
REB 6.9
3P% .387
FG% .425
FTA 2.7
FT% .818

Gordon Hayward

PTS 18.3
STL 1
AST 3.4
REB 3.9
3P% .392
FG% .428
FTA 5.7
FT% .822

George has benefited from more minutes and essentially being the go-to guy, while Hayward's #'s may benefit from sometimes facing bench players, though he does actually play a lot of important minutes for Corbin.

Shockingly similar players, though, according to these stats.

Post #2 » by **StocktonShorts** » Tue Jan 29, 2013 12:24 am

Hayward doesn't "win" defensive rating, as his is 13 points/possession higher than George's.

Keep in mind that D-Rating is the rating of the TEAM while that player is on the court, while O-Rating is isolated to just those possessions "used" by that player. (At least that's how Basketball Reference does it). So while they seem like parallel measures they're actually telling you very different things.

Edit: not exactly sure how B-R calculates their D-rating. Doesn't seem to be what I suggested. Does anyone know?

red4hf · Post #3 » by **red4hf** » Tue Jan 29, 2013 12:35 am

ORtg -- Offensive Rating; an estimate of points produced (players) or scored (teams) per 100 possessions.

DRtg -- Defensive Rating; an estimate of points allowed per 100 possessions.

Neon Black · Post #4 » by **Neon Black** » Tue Jan 29, 2013 1:19 am

Thanks for the correction; chalk defensive Rtg up to PG

Post #5 » by **StocktonShorts** » Tue Jan 29, 2013 2:35 am

red4hf wrote:
ORtg -- Offensive Rating; an estimate of points produced (players) or scored (teams) per 100 possessions.

DRtg -- Defensive Rating; an estimate of points allowed per 100 possessions.

Yeah, I've seen their explanation, which seems to suggest it's team defense. But then look at the defensive rating of the Jazz players: how can the lowest ratings all belong to big men? Shouldn't there be some guards with similar ratings?