The Trade Thread

MasterIchiro · Post #1041 » by **MasterIchiro** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 1:38 am

eh, I'm not so sure we're 1 impact player away from treadmill status. I think we would still suck but we would speed up the rebuilding process with an established star or borderline star.

BlackOutBuzz · Post #1042 » by **BlackOutBuzz** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 2:55 am

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/22 ... e_Calderon

This seems like something Cho would be all over...though I'm not sure what else we could get out of it. Heck, since we don't have a 2nd rounder I'd probably do it for that, Calderon expires after this season anyway.

I do find it odd that just a few days ago the Raptors were saying they'd rather trade Lowry than Calderon...and now they can't give Calderon away?

SWedd523 · Post #1043 » by **SWedd523** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 3:14 am

BlackOutBobcat wrote:I do find it odd that just a few days ago the Raptors were saying they'd rather trade Lowry than Calderon...and now they can't give Calderon away?

Why would you?

Sources say this
Sources say that
It's all a load of throwing darts at a board.

Don't know why Cho would be interested in Caleron, where is he going to get PT? Kemba and Sessions pretty much have the PG spot locked up and there certainly aren't any minutes at the 2

MasterIchiro · Post #1044 » by **MasterIchiro** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 3:23 am

Raptors lust after Rudy Gay and need to lower payroll to accommodate his salary. They're dangling Calderon because he is a short commitment and should be easy to move. But I'd hit them up for Bargnani, who makes the same as Calderon. This is an opportunity to upgrade a weak position cheaply without sacrificing much of anything at all.

BlackOutBuzz · Post #1045 » by **BlackOutBuzz** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 3:32 am

It was meant to be kind of tongue-in-cheek. Drawing attention to the fact that either the Raptors are putting up smokescreens or the reporters (or their "sources") are just blowing smoke. Emphasis on the "give," like we were supposed to buy they'd rather keep the expiring Calderon over the better, younger Lowry (who's still under contract next year)?

It's not so much that he'd be interested in Calderon...but what other assets we may acquire in the deal. I don't think we have any need for Calderon, but he's an expiring and he's not gonna put us on a treadmill. So I don't see the harm if some other asset (probably nothing huge, but still) came with him.

BlackOutBuzz · Post #1046 » by **BlackOutBuzz** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 3:35 am

Bargs' next three season he makes 10,000,000; 10,750,000; and 11,500,000 (PO). I'd rather use that money on a post presence.

JMAC3 · Post #1047 » by **JMAC3** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 4:36 am

I think it is time to start thinking about trading Sessions. I would not go actively looking for a trade for Ramon, but if I were offered a good deal for him I would take it. Especially if we could get three point shooting or a solid big man.

We do not really need him from a team make up, because our best player, Kemba, and him play the same position. He has the best value on our team other then Kemba, MKG and picks. Also, their teams out there looking for good point guard play and he has played like a top 20 point guard this year.

We have plenty of back court depth and it would mean more minutes for MKG and Taylor. Also, Gordon would get more minutes and increase his trade value and less of him and Hendo playing the 3. It would be nice to grab the other teams back up point guard in any swap though so Kemba isnt playing 45 minutes a game or we are scrapping the DLeague.

To me an ideal team to trade with is the Sacromento Kings because they seem to have talent in every position other then a player to run the team. Could be a nice fit for them and then they could grab Carter Williams or Marcus Smart with their first pick to be pg of future and have Sessions until they are ready to take over.

They also have some attractive pieces we could take back in the deal and tons of guys in that fit salary wise in a swap. Brooks, Jimmer, or Thomas could all be good backups for us to bring back as part of the deal. or good big man depth in Robinson, Cousins, Hayes, or Thompson. Marcus Thornton could be a good fit for team at the 2 as well.

Please do not just respond with a Sessions to OKC trade, which has been mentioned about 150 times with us getting Lamb and PJ3.

Man Strength · Post #1048 » by **Man Strength** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 4:49 am

id trade gordon for calderon

MasterIchiro · Post #1049 » by **MasterIchiro** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 4:55 am

I'm on board with a Sessions trade mainly because Kemba is the franchise and Sessions is secured for only next season and will be looking to cash in while we rebuild around the point guard position. We'll need his money for Kemba's supporting cast. This trade deadline is the peak of his value therefore I feel he is most likely to be moved. MKG and picks will be staying with Charlotte. But if the Bobcats decide they want to move both Sessions and picks (DET and POR) then we should be able to net some nice solid young players for our rebuild. I would go after Avery Bradley and Jared Sullinger. I just can't see a big market team like Boston waltz into the playoffs without a bona-fide point guard. They could upset the heat in a playoff series because they match up well. I would also go after the MAVS first round pick if we could get that for Sessions. Then we'd be sitting on a boatload of first round picks for our rebuild, DET, POR, MAV and CHA x 2. Five pix in 2 years plus a huge amount of cap space.

I love your idea of getting Gordon more minutes by trading Sessions. His trade value should peak next season as a huge expiring contract who averages 15 PPG. LIke Sessions, he's a short term resident who will not be here to see through the rebuild process.

Fans have to remember, even with Gordon and Sessions, we are dead last. Neither is a building block so if you can move them for building blocks you do it and suffer the short term consequences. It can't get any worse.

catch20two · Post #1050 » by **catch20two** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 4:58 am

Man Strength wrote:id trade gordon for calderon

I wouldn't mind us becoming the 3rd team that the Grizzlies and Raptors are looking for in the Rudy Gay trade where we theoretically exchange or funnel Ben Gordon over to Memphis for Jose Calderon's expiring and Toronto's 2nd rounder. It would help us free up some cap space to go after Al Jefferson or Paul Milsap this offseason. I think this would be a okay deal unless Cho has better things in mind for a Gordon deal than cap space. It's still meh to me but something to think about depending on the market.

MasterIchiro · Post #1051 » by **MasterIchiro** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 5:11 am

What I want to know is, how in the world is TOR going to satisfy Memphis need for someone to actually play SF in place of Rudy Gay? I know Memphis is desperate for more financial flexibility but I would think they also want to continue to compete in 2013. They have a great team.

catch20two · Post #1052 » by **catch20two** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 5:19 am

MasterIchiro wrote:What I want to know is, how in the world is TOR going to satisfy Memphis need for someone to actually play SF in place of Rudy Gay? I know Memphis is desperate for more financial flexibility but I would think they also want to continue to compete in 2013. They have a great team.

Memphis want Terrence Ross.

MasterIchiro · Post #1053 » by **MasterIchiro** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 5:24 am

I saw that and also saw how TOR says he's "untouchable" which makes no sense to me because Gay would play SF and they have Derozan at SG. Sounds like TOR's not as hot for Gay as they portend.

JMAC3 · Post #1054 » by **JMAC3** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 5:25 am

MasterIchiro wrote:I'm on board with a Sessions trade mainly because Kemba is the franchise and Sessions is secured for only next season and will be looking to cash in while we rebuild around the point guard position. We'll need his money for Kemba's supporting cast. This trade deadline is the peak of his value therefore I feel he is most likely to be moved. MKG and picks will be staying with Charlotte. But if the Bobcats decide they want to move both Sessions and picks (DET and POR) then we should be able to net some nice solid young players for our rebuild. I would go after Avery Bradley and Jared Sullinger. I just can't see a big market team like Boston waltz into the playoffs without a bona-fide point guard. They could upset the heat in a playoff series because they match up well. I would also go after the MAVS first round pick if we could get that for Sessions. Then we'd be sitting on a boatload of first round picks for our rebuild, DET, POR, MAV and CHA x 2. Five pix in 2 years plus a huge amount of cap space.

I love your idea of getting Gordon more minutes by trading Sessions. His trade value should peak next season as a huge expiring contract who averages 15 PPG. LIke Sessions, he's a short term resident who will not be here to see through the rebuild process.

Fans have to remember, even with Gordon and Sessions, we are dead last. Neither is a building block so if you can move them for building blocks you do it and suffer the short term consequences. It can't get any worse.

I would prefer to get a proven player for Sessions rather than a late first round pick. I am thinking a deal centered around a Sessions for Jason Thompson swap. Their salaries match up and I would be for trying to get one of their backup guards in Brooks, Jimmer, or Thomas because all three shoot the three ball pretty well and we would need a backup to Kemba.

Cousins is unlikely to be an option, and Hayes may be overpayed and has 2 more years on his contract. Thomas Robinson would be an intriguing target as well.

I would offer Sessions, Reggie and Portland Pick for Thompson/Robinson and Jimmer.

MasterIchiro · Post #1055 » by **MasterIchiro** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 5:30 am

The MAVS pick could be top 12 but I hear you. I wouldn't mind a Sessions-Thompson swap. It's good value for Sessions. I don't want Jimmer for the POR pick though.

JMAC3 · Post #1056 » by **JMAC3** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 5:48 am

MasterIchiro wrote:The MAVS pick could be top 12 but I hear you. I wouldn't mind a Sessions-Thompson swap. It's good value for Sessions. I don't want Jimmer for the POR pick though.

i agree that I wouldnt trade Portland pick straight up for Jimmer, but if we wanted to get Thompson or Robinson and Kings wouldnt do trade without that being apart of the deal I would do it. Thompson brings this team so much more value then what Sessions brings and could be part of the future. Also, Jimmer is not too expensive and I think he could be a nice scorer off the bench for us and provide outside shooting.

HornetJail · Post #1057 » by **HornetJail** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 5:50 am

I can't see Sacramento trading Thompson for Sessions straight up. You think they have enough guards? I'd rather go all in for a go at Cousins anyway. Just pretty much clear house for him.

Sessions, Mullens, Henderson, DET pick, POR pick for Cousins and their bad contracts.

BlackOutBuzz · Post #1058 » by **BlackOutBuzz** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 5:50 am

JMAC3 wrote:It would be nice to grab the other teams back up point guard in any swap though so...we are(n't) scrapping the DLeague.

Scoop Jardine and Cory Higgins are waiting in the wings...

#Chogotdis 8-)

I'm all for moving pretty much anyone on this team for young talent, cap relief, and/or draft picks. The only untouchables would be Kemba, MKG, and Driftwood (only because we wan't trade him); Biz would be pretty expensive but not untouchable IMO. Aside from that, if a good enough offer comes our way, I'm all for it.

JMAC3 · Post #1059 » by **JMAC3** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 6:02 am

CHA_77_Bobcats wrote:I can't see Sacramento trading Thompson for Sessions straight up. You think they have enough guards? I'd rather go all in for a go at Cousins anyway. Just pretty much clear house for him.

Sessions, Mullens, Henderson, DET pick, POR pick for Cousins and their bad contracts.

Honestly put yourself in Sacramento's shoes. They have Cousins and Tyreke who have both shown allstar talents, a pure scorer in Thornton, and solid big men in Thompson, Hayes and Robinson. They seem like they should be winning more games..... To me there are two problems with them 1. I think they have a crappy coach. 2. They have bad point guard play.

Giving up Thompson would be well worth it to me to try and see if getting a solid point guard like Sessions could turn things around especially if meant more minutes for Robinson. They are going to have a pick in around the same spot as last year most likely, so ideally Carter Williams would make sense, but there is no guarantees you get him, so why not chance on Sessions he is cheap and doesnt have long contract. At worst he becomes their best bench player.

MasterIchiro · Post #1060 » by **MasterIchiro** » Wed Jan 30, 2013 5:20 pm

If I put myself in SAC's shoes then I would wait until the draft is over and only after I swing and miss on MCW or Smart do I trade away a long term asset (Thompson) for a transition PG. When I do draft MCW or Smart, what's to stop me from using Jimmer as my transition PG?

I like that SAC has what we need but I'm not sure Sessions is what they need.

My hope is their new Seattle owners dont want to re-open shop with a head-case as the face of their franchise and will move Cousins for a bundle of talent. It's highly risky to try to market him to an excited reenergized fan base. SEA can always play small with Robinson and Thompson up front.

For Cousins I'd deal MKG because they really have no SF. I'd also give them Biyombo to play with Robinson and Thompson and to resupply some of the rebounds they lose when dealing Cousins.

I'd also give them the POR pick (Plumlee) and the DET pick (likely approx pick 10 in 2014).