Knicks-Related Trade "THOUGHTS" Thread

[ORANGEandBLUE]

Felton and JR's low shooting is the result of poor shot selection. I'm not sure their % on spot up 3's has fallen too dramatically. And so far Shump has looked like he can knock down those open 3's.

Agree about JR. Disagree about Felton. Felton is actually shooting a better three point percentage than his career average. He has always been an erratic three point shooter.

JR is a better shooter than what he showed this year. The main problem is this crazy idea that "he can create for himself thus he should". This is totally wrong. He is a fine catch and shoot player. Horrible off the dribble. It is better to keep him strictly off the ball.

We need Felton; the last month has proven this. We just need to hope he and JR can stay under control and knock down their shots.

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Agree about JR. Disagree about Felton. Felton is actually shooting a better three point percentage than his career average. He has always been an erratic three point shooter.

JR is a better shooter than what he showed this year. The main problem is this crazy idea that "he can create for himself thus he should". This is totally wrong. He is a fine catch and shoot player. Horrible off the dribble. It is better to keep him strictly off the ball.

We need Felton; the last month has proven this. We just need to hope he and JR can stay under control and knock down their shots.

Hope. Come on now. You can't hope for a miracle. What you need is the coach to step up and demand they stay under control. JR's minutes need to be drastically reduced and he needs to be moved to the weak side. Coach needs to make it clear to Felton that he needs to go back to being a PG. There has to be accountability for these guys or we are done as a contender. You can't let Felton and JR average 30+ shots a game and expect to win a championship.

[ORANGEandBLUE]

Hope. Come on now. You can't hope for a miracle. What you need is the coach to step up and demand they stay under control. JR's minutes need to be drastically reduced and he needs to be moved to the weak side. Coach needs to make it clear to Felton that he needs to go back to being a PG. There has to be accountability for these guys or we are done as a contender. You can't let Felton and JR average 30+ shots a game and expect to win a championship.

It's not that unlikely... this is how they were playing to start the season. When Melo started to wear down and stopped playing in the post as much, Felton started shooting more. When Felton got hurt, JR started shooting more. Now Stat can fill the void from Melo not playing in the post as much and Felton and JR can go back to doing what they were doing in November. If Woodson wanted JR and Felton to freelance, that would have been our gameplan coming out of the gate.

[rl2011]

IS THIS SERIOUS!!!!???

Jose Calderon ??

Guy is nowhere near as dynamic of a scorer as Felton. We NEED felton to score. what don't people understand about this. I know in everyone's ideal world a PG has 15 assists and 10 points but frankly we do not have that luxury. Felton needs to create buckets for himself just as much as others for us to win.

Calderon is a spot up shooter - we have that with Kidd. He can't consistently get in the paint, and we saw our offense w/o that.

Also Felton is a tough dude, has good chemistry with the team and most of all Melo likes him

[UnderdogKnicks]

We need some1 like Felton. Calderon can't penetrate after the PnR, he's more like JKidd's playing style. If u want Calderon, u'll have to trade JKidd or Pablo. Our PG set up is made to be balanced with a scoring PG(Felton) and passing PGs (Jkidd, Pablo).

[thebuzzardman]

I like this sticky. It's a like a stupidity vacuum

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IS THIS SERIOUS!!!!???

Jose Calderon ??

Guy is nowhere near as dynamic of a scorer as Felton. We NEED felton to score. what don't people understand about this. I know in everyone's ideal world a PG has 15 assists and 10 points but frankly we do not have that luxury. Felton needs to create buckets for himself just as much as others for us to win.

Calderon is a spot up shooter - we have that with Kidd. He can't consistently get in the paint, and we saw our offense w/o that.

Also Felton is a tough dude, has good chemistry with the team and most of all Melo likes him

In other words, you are admitting that this team can never win a chip. How can you expect someone to fill a role that he has never had in his whole career?

[Knicker23]

We don't need Felton to be a dynamic scorer. We need him to be what he was during first 10 games. Good enough to keep em honest, make shots when they drop off him, shoot efficiently, don't turn ball over, get assists. I think he'll get back to doing that fine.

I do like Calderone tho, and would be willing to part with guys like Novak, Brewer etc for him. Calderone can rack up triple doubles better than anyone, would love to have him on this team.

[livintoolive]

NYK
Out:
Amare Stoudemire
Kurt Thomas
In:
Jose Calderon
Andreas Bargnani
Linas Kleiza
Why: NYK gets rid of Amare's contract in exchange for shorter, more palatable contracts. They also get a backup PG in Calderon, starting PF in Bargnani and backup SF in Kleiza.

Toronto:
Out:
Jose Calderon
Andreas Bargnani
Linas Kleiza
Landry Fields
Terrence Ross
Future 1st
In:
Rudy Gay
Amare Stoudemire
Kurt Thomas
Why: Toronto re-tools, gets rid of Calderon and Bargnani, big cultural change for a team that is sucking it up. They get to bring in 2 all stars and make fans happy.

Memphis:
Out:
Rudy Gay
In:
Landry Fields
Terrence Ross
Future 1st rounder
Why: Save money, big time prospect

[GONYK]

I feel like people don't realize how terrible Bargnani and Calderon are

[BNT1120]

I feel like people don't realize how terrible Bargnani and Calderon are

yeah seriously.

[livintoolive]

While bad, I feel that Bargnani's game fits in pretty well with Tyson and Melo. If Melo keeps up his defense, it will help mask Bargs' inability. On the offensive end, it clears out space for Tyson and Melo to play big as Bargs plays pretty small for a 4.

Calderon is more than capable of being a backup PG, especially given he is expiring.

[Thugger HBC]

While bad, I feel that Bargnani's game fits in pretty well with Tyson and Melo. If Melo keeps up his defense, it will help mask Bargs' inability. On the offensive end, it clears out space for Tyson and Melo to play big as Bargs plays pretty small for a 4.

Calderon is more than capable of being a backup PG, especially given he is expiring.

Bargnani just isn't a good player, this fitting in well stuff is just fan optimism.

There is plenty of 45% shooters willing chuck a few, and dont need 10 mil a season to do it.

[NowWHYcee7]

Amar'e has played better on one leg coming off knee surgery than Bargnani has played all season. Please.

[Knicker23]

Bargnani may be terrible. Calderon isn't. He is shooting 47% from field (equal to CP3, for example).. And he's averaging 7.5 assists on the Raptors... Which includes 2 triple doubles.. He turns the ball over at one of the lowest TO:APG ratios in the league at 1.7 TO pg......And he only averages 28 minutes per game this season... The guy can dish. He's not the type of driving and penetrating guard, but when he's on the court he gets assists.. And he's not going to go 1-8 2-10 from the field. I like him.

[j4remi]

I don't want any major trades, but I do condone the Knicks attempting to be the third or fourth team that offers a small piece and gets back a complimentary guy...Specifically if they're dealing one of Cope, White, Brewer or KT. Those guys could be throw ins without having a huge chemistry impact on us and a team desperate to complete a deal and make salaries match might toss us someone who fills a need...such as a rebounding, hard work big.

[barborous]

We don't need Felton to be a dynamic scorer. We need him to be what he was during first 10 games. Good enough to keep em honest, make shots when they drop off him, shoot efficiently, don't turn ball over, get assists. I think he'll get back to doing that fine.

I do like Calderone tho, and would be willing to part with guys like Novak, Brewer etc for him. Calderone can rack up triple doubles better than anyone, would love to have him on this team.

Lolwhat.

All kidding aside, I'd like Calderon on this team. He's awful as a starter over better PGs and on a terrible contract on that Toronto offense, but as a backup who spots up and can make passes but doesn't need to penetrate, he'd be great. He knows his spots and limitations, and doesn't turn the ball over. As long as you don't need him to be a dynamic force pushing your offense, he'll be solid.

[Knicker23]

Yeah I think that came out wrong. Though he is tied for second with James and others at 2 triple doubles. Guys versatile.

[GONYK]

I'd take Calderon as a backup, but no winning team would have him as a starting PG.

The guy is incredibly uncreative as a passer and takes no chances. Only makes the obvious assist. Not to mention that he is a sieve defensively.

He's a player whose value diminishes the longer you have him on the floor.

[K_ick_God]

Brandon Jennings. Maybe in the off-season. Can't see Bucks dealing him now. Problem with that, from the Knicks' perspective, is that then you have to match his new, $10M+ contract, not his current deal ... where we can offer Shumpert and Felton.