Knicks-Related Trade "THOUGHTS" Thread

[K_ick_God]

I think Jennings has a really good feel for the game. He's crafty, smart, has tricks around the basket, and he passes well (if not always that conscientiously, admittedly). He can find people better than Felton for sure. He sees the court and has a real floor general's sense of tempo and pace.

He needs to pass more. Anybody playing with Melo will inevitably do that. He's also never had a guy to run PNR with like Amar'e.

He also *wants* NY which nobody should underestimate. He'd be an MSG legend.

[barborous]

Hell no to Jennings. He's on a relatively hot stretch, but he still has and will always have a chucker's mentality. Definitely not worth both Felton and Shump. He is not our PG of the future.

I still like the idea of Calderon as backup, but some of you guys clearly haven't watched him play. GONYK is right about his passing; it's unrisky and uncreative, which comes with the low TOs, which is why he can't be a spark off the bench so much as a good piece. He still is a good shooter, though, and brings veteran savvy.

And to the guy who called him a triple double machine, you've got to look at it in context. Those were the first two triple doubles of a guy whose career rebounding average is 2.5 and is averaging 2.4 this season. He's played most of his career next to a historically bad rebounding big man in Bargnani, it's a contract year, and those two games were clear flukes if you watched them. He is in no sense of the word versatile and I'd be surprised if he sniffs a triple double ever again.

[seren]

Very compelling arguments. Thing is you have to convince why we should give up on Shump.

Because the Bucks won't swamp him for Felton. If they'll do Felton and JR or Felton and a pick, then great. Do that instead.

I believe Shump is a more useful player on a championship than Jennings would be.

I wouldn't hesitate any deal for Felton/JR plus whatever (except Shump) for Jennings. Pick won't work as we don't have one.

Felton/JR/KT/White for Jennings/Gooden/Daniels work under checker.

[K_ick_God]

... I'd also be excited to get Lowry. For the defense, heart, guts. He is the real deal.

[seren]

JR has alot more value than I think you appreciate.

Not opposed to any trade that improves the team, but I dont think acquiring Jennings improves the team.

He wants to score, which is why I would take Calderon over Lowry.

We dont need a scoring point, we already have that.

I highly doubt. He had one good month in the last two year. Otherwise, he stunk since he left Denver.

[K_ick_God]

Very compelling arguments. Thing is you have to convince why we should give up on Shump.

Because the Bucks won't swamp him for Felton. If they'll do Felton and JR or Felton and a pick, then great. Do that instead.

I believe Shump is a more useful player on a championship than Jennings would be.

I wouldn't hesitate any deal for Felton/JR plus whatever (except Shump) for Jennings. Pick won't work as we don't have one.

Felton/JR/KT/White for Jennings/Gooden/Daniels work under checker.

IF Shumpert becomes a consistent offensive threat, then he'll be really, really good. That remains to be seen though.

[barborous]

... I'd also be excited to get Lowry. For the defense, heart, guts. He is the real deal.

Up until this season I'd have agreed with you. But he's been having troubles with both his coach and his teammates again this season. While I'd normally attribute that to the f'ed-up atmosphere in Toronto, the same thing got him booted from Houston the season before, so I'm a little wary about him even though I think he's a great player.

[Thugger HBC]

JR has alot more value than I think you appreciate.

Not opposed to any trade that improves the team, but I dont think acquiring Jennings improves the team.

He wants to score, which is why I would take Calderon over Lowry.

We dont need a scoring point, we already have that.

Agreed. Lowry is the real prize to be had here, not Calderon.

I actually would prefer Calderon, but I would be far from mad if Lowry was a consolation prize depending on what was given up.

I highly doubt. He had one good month in the last two year. Otherwise, he stunk since he left Denver.

Couldn't you say similar for Jennings...

Contract year, three month "sample" as compared to 4+ nba years of dismal performance?

[K_ick_God]

... I'd also be excited to get Lowry. For the defense, heart, guts. He is the real deal.

Up until this season I'd have agreed with you. But he's been having troubles with both his coach and his teammates again this season. While I'd normally attribute that to the f'ed-up atmosphere in Toronto, the same thing got him booted from Houston the season before, so I'm a little wary about him even though I think he's a great player.

Yeah but those guys always find a peaceful home in NY.

[K_ick_God]

JR has alot more value than I think you appreciate.

Not opposed to any trade that improves the team, but I dont think acquiring Jennings improves the team.

He wants to score, which is why I would take Calderon over Lowry.

We dont need a scoring point, we already have that.

Agreed. Lowry is the real prize to be had here, not Calderon.

I actually would prefer Calderon, but I would be far from mad if Lowry was a consolation prize depending on what was given up.

I highly doubt. He had one good month in the last two year. Otherwise, he stunk since he left Denver.

Couldn't you say similar for Jennings...

Contract year, three month "sample" as compared to 4+ nba years of dismal performance?

In what universe has Brandon been dismal?

He's heading to the All-Star game too most likely.

[GONYK]

... I'd also be excited to get Lowry. For the defense, heart, guts. He is the real deal.

Up until this season I'd have agreed with you. But he's been having troubles with both his coach and his teammates again this season. While I'd normally attribute that to the f'ed-up atmosphere in Toronto, the same thing got him booted from Houston the season before, so I'm a little wary about him even though I think he's a great player.

I went to college with Kyle Lowry and knew him on a somewhat personal level in his Nova days. I have seen him up close and personal many, many times in Houston. The kid definitely has an attitude. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. But there is more to it than that.

But he undeniably wants to win, and he is willing to do whatever it takes to win, as long as he has a coach he respects. That is really the key with Kyle Lowry. If he feels you are not worth his time or if he's getting a raw deal in some way, then he's going to check out.

I don't think he will have that problem when he's surrounded by all-stars and with a coach like Woody.

[Thugger HBC]

In what universe has Brandon been dismal?

He's heading to the All-Star game too most likely.

The years prior to this one?

He's in a contract year, that's all i gather from his play, other wise in previous years he is as inefficient as he always is.

it's the typical contract bump.

look no further than jennings, kevin martin, redick

[K_ick_God]

In what universe has Brandon been dismal?

He's heading to the All-Star game too most likely.

The years prior to this one?

He's in a contract year, that's all i gather from his play, other wise in previous years he is as inefficient as he always is.

it's the typical contract bump.

look no further than jennings, kevin martin, redick

Ask Bucks fans, who would know better than us, whether they consider him a "dismal" player. You don't go to the All-Star game after a dismal career (he probably will), you don't get paid $10M+ as a little guy (non-bigs only) for being dismal (he probably will).

Dismal is a way overstated overstatement. He's had flaws and there's room for improvement. That's why he's even available possibly. I'm not proposing Shumpert for LeBron here.

I consider him an undervalued asset who is getting less undervalued as he performs. He has an intelligent understanding of the game, long arms, a well-rounded game with multiple skills and ways to score, more than a clutch bone or two in his body, and wants to be in the spotlight in NY.

Both he and Lin are going to have really good playoff runs, I'm predicting, while Felton bites the playoff dust again, and then we'll all have to revisit this conversation with fresh perspectives.

[NBA Fan 1234]

jennings is pure trash.

streak outside shooter who shoots too much, liability on defense, and is not a point guard. i wouldn't touch him with a ten foot pole.

[Fat Kat]

jennings is pure trash.

streak outside shooter who shoots too much, liability on defense, and is not a point guard. i wouldn't touch him with a ten foot pole.

Agreed.

[seren]

JR has alot more value than I think you appreciate.

Not opposed to any trade that improves the team, but I dont think acquiring Jennings improves the team.

He wants to score, which is why I would take Calderon over Lowry.

We dont need a scoring point, we already have that.

Agreed. Lowry is the real prize to be had here, not Calderon.

I actually would prefer Calderon, but I would be far from mad if Lowry was a consolation prize depending on what was given up.

I highly doubt. He had one good month in the last two year. Otherwise, he stunk since he left Denver.

Couldn't you say similar for Jennings...

Contract year, three month "sample" as compared to 4+ nba years of dismal performance?

He has actually been quite consistent statwise:

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/i ... n-jennings

[Thugger HBC]

Consistently dismal.

And that's all-star worthy now?

[barborous]

Look, KG, I'm not a big believer in Felton either, but replacing him with Jennings would be a step in the wrong direction.

[Thugger HBC]

Ask Bucks fans, who would know better than us, whether they consider him a "dismal" player. You don't go to the All-Star game after a dismal career (he probably will), you don't get paid $10M+ as a little guy (non-bigs only) for being dismal (he probably will).

Dismal is a way overstated overstatement. He's had flaws and there's room for improvement. That's why he's even available possibly. I'm not proposing Shumpert for LeBron here.

I consider him an undervalued asset who is getting less undervalued as he performs. He has an intelligent understanding of the game, long arms, a well-rounded game with multiple skills and ways to score, more than a clutch bone or two in his body, and wants to be in the spotlight in NY.

Both he and Lin are going to have really good playoff runs, I'm predicting, while Felton bites the playoff dust again, and then we'll all have to revisit this conversation with fresh perspectives.

Keep holding on to that thought, I do know the hardest part of recovery is recognizing the problem.

But anyways, Jennings aint that good at what he does...he shoots alot only to barely score point per shot.

I'd rather have a 3 mil guy to do that vs another making more because of "potential".

[Lord Commander]

jennings is pure trash.

streak outside shooter who shoots too much, liability on defense, and is not a point guard. i wouldn't touch him with a ten foot pole.