Knicks-Related Trade "THOUGHTS" Thread

[K_ick_God]

i know it sounds like i'm making excuses...i was thinking that as i was typing it. however, i still believe that.

brandon isn't sniffing the top 10...c'mon. paul, williams, rondo, curry, holiday, calderon, lowry, rubio, lawson, miller, westbrook, lillard, jack, nash (even though he's having a bad year), paul, bledsoe, dragic, hill, lin (meh), rose, kyrie, teague, nelson, wall, parker, conley, vasquez, and maybe even collison / mo williams. i'd take every one of those guys, i think, over jennings (and most of them over felton as well).

i also fail to see how he's "not much worse than lawson." also, what does he bring that lawson doesn't?

Wall is garbage. Jrue is not really a PG to me. He's a super deluxe version of Toney Douglas.

You're naming like every PG. He's better than you realize.

[NBA Fan 1234]

i give up.

[GONYK]

i know it sounds like i'm making excuses...i was thinking that as i was typing it. however, i still believe that.

brandon isn't sniffing the top 10...c'mon. paul, williams, rondo, curry, holiday, calderon, lowry, rubio, lawson, miller, westbrook, lillard, jack, nash (even though he's having a bad year), paul, bledsoe, dragic, hill, lin (meh), rose, kyrie, teague, nelson, wall, parker, conley, vasquez, and maybe even collison / mo williams. i'd take every one of those guys, i think, over jennings (and most of them over felton as well).

i also fail to see how he's "not much worse than lawson." also, what does he bring that lawson doesn't?

Wall is garbage. Jrue is not really a PG to me. He's a super deluxe version of Toney Douglas.

You're naming like every PG. He's better than you realize.

Wall and Jennings are about the same to me

[Fat Kat]

Chris Paul, Damian Lillard, Deron Williams, Kyrie Irving, Rajon Rondo, Russell Westbrook, Tony Parker, Ty Lawson, Derrick Rose, Jrue Holiday, Mike Conley Jr, Steve Nash, Steph Curry, John Wall, Raymond Felton

All better than Jennings.

[NBA Fan 1234]

i know it sounds like i'm making excuses...i was thinking that as i was typing it. however, i still believe that.

brandon isn't sniffing the top 10...c'mon. paul, williams, rondo, curry, holiday, calderon, lowry, rubio, lawson, miller, westbrook, lillard, jack, nash (even though he's having a bad year), paul, bledsoe, dragic, hill, lin (meh), rose, kyrie, teague, nelson, wall, parker, conley, vasquez, and maybe even collison / mo williams. i'd take every one of those guys, i think, over jennings (and most of them over felton as well).

i also fail to see how he's "not much worse than lawson." also, what does he bring that lawson doesn't?

Wall is garbage. Jrue is not really a PG to me. He's a super deluxe version of Toney Douglas.

You're naming like every PG. He's better than you realize.

wall has been playing nicely since he came back from injury. how is jrue not a point guard? runs the pick and roll nicely. is a hell of a defender with a nice outside jumper and can play with ball and without it.

and i know i realized most of the point guards. i really do not like jennings.

[K_ick_God]

Let me try this again:

1- Rose
2- Rondo
3- Paul
4- Westbrook
5- Irving
6- Parker
7- Curry
8- Jennings
9- Lawson
10- Lillard
11- Holiday
12- Williams
13- Lin
14- Teague
15- Vasquez
16- Conley
17- Dragic
18- Nash
19- Nelson
20- Calderon
21- Rubio
22- Wall
23- Chalmers
24- Sessions
25- Harris
26- Felton
27- Collison
28- Augustin
29- Knight
30- Thomas

I've pushed down Jrue despite his great numbers because I don't think he's enough of a point. He's a good-handle 2-guard mostly. (I haven't seen much PNR from him but maybe I'm missing something with him -- just something feels off in his game -- not enough of a floor general though still young.)

Parker is not someone you'd want to acquire at this point, pushing Jennings up another notch. Westbrook has his major flaws and Curry can't stay healthy. I'm one of the few people who sees Paul as a bit overrated and perhaps on the decline. Lillard could move up soon. I think Lawson and Jennings are virtually tied.

I think Lin moves up after the playoffs though that doesn't matter to the issue of Jennings.

[DowNY]

I would actually love to flip Felton for Brandon Jennings. Don't know what all the fuss is about. Jennings is light years better than Felton & it isn't even close. All Jennings need is a dose of Woodson fatherhood medicine.

[Fat Kat]

This is just ridiculous at this point. See ya.

[Knicker23]

Yeah I like Felton's heart and toughness, but I'd obviously do Jennings for Felton straight up.

Jennings got a ton of talent, can score... he's clearly not a true PG tho.. Not sure what money he'd ask for either.. I also see him as very Monta Ellis-like for his position... Not the smartest, gets his, etc.... Nor am I sure he'd be the option i'd want for that money, for this team, if given the choice.... But Felton for Jennings, sure. He'd immediately give this team a clear second consistent scorer etc.

Throw JR or Novak or Brewer in too. Shump, however, probably not.

[2010]

Why are all you dudes yappin' about PG's when what we clearly need is a versatile athletic forward capable of guarding Lebron and respectable on offense:

Wilson Chandler
Earl Clark
etc.

Something like Novak, Brewer, Copeland, future pick for Wilson Chandler

PG: Felton / Kidd
SG: Shumpert / Smith
SF: Anthony / Chandler
PF: Stoudemire / Wallace
C: Chandler / Camby

[DowNY]

Felton, Novak/Brewer, Copeland & Camby for Jennings & Gooden.
Been saying it.

[DowNY]

Somehow get Jennings or Josh Smith before deadline & I think we'll be more consistent.

[GONYK]

Somehow get Jennings or Josh Smith before deadline & I think we'll be more consistent.

Consistently what?

[K_ick_God]

Josh Smith ... a dumber player than J.R. maybe. It's the J-Smith Genius Twins.

[2010]

From here on out every move should be made with matching up with Miami in mind. We need an athletic F to keep Melo/Stat off Lebron when Miami goes small with him at PF.

Wilson Chandler or Josh Smith are the best fits. But Josh Smith is unattainable since we can't match salary unless Stat is included and they won't want him. That leaves Wilson Chandler.

Felton on Chalmers
Shumpert on Wade
Melo on Battier
Chandler on Lebron
Chandler on Bosh

Amar'e, JR, Kidd, Wallace, Camby fill in the gaps.

Do Novak/Brewer/Copeland/Pick for Wilson Chandler and the salaries match

At the moment we only have Brewer/White who can physically match up with Lebron and neither are rotation players with our deep roster. The proposed deal makes our rotation more concise and Chandler isn't one-dimensional like Brewer so you can afford to keep him on the floor without it hurting you offensively.

[NBA Fan 1234]

Jennings + jr + smith and we'd all lose hope in humanity. I don't want Jennings or josh smith. No thanks. Or josh Selby.

[2010]

From here on out every move should be made with matching up with Miami in mind. We need an athletic F to keep Melo/Stat off Lebron when Miami goes small with him at PF.

Wilson Chandler or Josh Smith are the best fits. But Josh Smith is unattainable since we can't match salary unless Stat is included and they won't want him. That leaves Wilson Chandler.

Felton on Chalmers
Shumpert on Wade
Melo on Battier
Chandler on Lebron
Chandler on Bosh

Amar'e, JR, Kidd, Wallace, Camby fill in the gaps.

Do Novak/Brewer/Copeland/Pick for Wilson Chandler and the salaries match

At the moment we only have Brewer/White who can physically match up with Lebron and neither are rotation players with our deep roster. The proposed deal makes our rotation more concise and Chandler isn't one-dimensional like Brewer so you can afford to keep him on the floor without it hurting you offensively.

[GONYK]

melo can lead a team to the playoffs, whereas ellis cannot. he requires special defensive attention and gameplans, whereas ellis does not. ellis passes as a last result, whereas we have seen melo become a willing passer. ellis is a poor defender, melo is not. melo is clutch -- no idea about ellis.

rondo can run the pick and roll better, get into the paint and finish better (when he decides to actually go up with the shot), and has a surprisingly effective 15-17 foot jumper from the elbow area.

your turn. i really am interested to see what you have to say about bj.

Not really. Ellis is just a worse and smaller version of Melo. He can do almost all the same things Melo can do, just not as well. Maybe Melo's post game would separate him but Melo really doesn't post that much. Oh Melo can rebound better. OK there is that.

If "can lead a team to the playoffs" is one of the "can's" that you're counting, then Felton (in HIS walk year) couldn't do anything with the Blazers. That team was horrid and bottomed out. Brandon is leading his team to the playoffs currently. That roster is thin.

Brandon is a better 3-point shooter, has a lot of different ways of scoring in the paint where Felton has few, is better in the clutch and sees the floor better.

Not really even worse defensively because Felton is terrible defensively. Almost a complete loss defensively. He goes under screens, has poor lateral movement.

This is like saying Iguodala is just a worse and smaller version of Lebron.

It's sort of true, but it kind of misses the whole entire point and doesn't capture the chasm of difference between the effectiveness of the players.

[KnicksJunkie]

With Amare playing better recently, I am beginning to find hope that we can trade his contract again. Washington needs to figure out how to get rid of the Nene-Okafor front court, how about Amare for Okafor and Ariza? Both Okafor and Ariza are on 2 year deals and they help us tremendously on defense.

[iHeartKNicks]

How about Lance Stephenson for James White + 2013 2nd round pick? I think Lance would be good here because he can drive, handle the ball and facilitate if needed.