(1/30) Toronto @ Atlanta

[Hawk4Playoffs]

Teague had a rough game... Korver had another solid game. I really hope we can sign him for next year.

[Hawk4Playoffs]

Beware everyone the smith haters are coming

Josh Smith is an easy guy to hate. He always looks like he is giving 75% effort. Walking back on D after turnovers, insists on running fast breaks, not boxing out all the time, arguing with refs... Its not that he is bad, he could be a lot better if he tried as hard as Horford.

[jvalanciunas]

horrible call at the end but refs usually don't call anything as long as you go after the ball.

BTW: what is up with Horford, especially with is free throws, i know he is on the decline, and that is why he is not making an all star team anymore, Horford us to be one of my favorite players, but i was shocked when i saw his season free throw average.

[Hawk4Playoffs]

horrible call at the end but refs usually don't call anything as long as you go after the ball.

BTW: what is up with Horford, especially with is free throws, i know he is on the decline, and that is why he is not making an all star team anymore, Horford us to be one of my favorite players, but i was shocked when i saw his season free throw average.

Horford is not on the decline. He is averaging more points then ever. Shooting at 54% from the field, averaging 9.7 rebounds, assisting at a higher rate then his career... just shooting terribly from the free throw line. I fail to see how he is on the decline.

[Jamaaliver]

BTW: what is up with Horford, especially with is free throws, i know he is on the decline, and that is why he is not making an all star team anymore, Horford used to be one of my favorite players, but i was shocked when i saw his season free throw average.

How is he on the decline?

AL Horford leads Atlanta in Rebounds, FG%, PER & Double-Doubles. He's avg a career high in points.

Before this season AL's best season avg were 15 ppg 9 rpg 3 apg.

This season AL is avg 16 PPG 10 RPG 3 APG.

His Free Throw % has been unusually low, but he's not on the decline. At all.

Seriously, what are you referring to?

Horford is easily the most consistent Hawks player...by far. He avgd 16/10/3 in November. He avgd 16/10/3 in December. He avgd 16/10/3 in January.

Horford is avg 20 ppg 10 rpg 3 apg in the last two weeks. He just busted the Raptors for 22pts 10 rbs and 6 assists.

Please explain what you're talking about....

[parson]

finally, the Hawks got a fair call from the refs. Horford clearly did not foul and just had his hands up and it was DeRozan who swung his arms into Horford because he was trying to rush the shot

Not sure what you watched, but that was an obvious foul. Look for the league to apologize once again to the Raptors this year.

I went over to your board to see the reaction. Of course, I didn't post anything.

HERE, however, let me point out what transpired on that last play: your guy lost the ball while driving, shoved Korver, who dove for the ball and won it, only to be trampled by another of your guys. Korver then kicked that guy in the face! Now, at this point, you should know the refs were letting them play.

THEN, when your guy took the shot from the right elbow, another of your guys shoved Stephenson from the top of the paint to the left side, near Horford. By this time, it's a mele.

And you want the refs to ignore all this yet give you the one call that would have handed you the win?

By the way, when your guy took the last shot, he lost the ball (legally or not) at about his chest, then threw his hands out the remainder of the way. The block/foul was at his chest. You know what, Mr. "it was an obvious foul"? When I watch the replay from the halfcourt angle, it sure looks like a foul but when I watch the behind-the-basket angle, I don't see any illegal contact. I see your player lose the ball around his chest and throw his hands up, begging for a foul.

One last point, I noticed several of your posters commenting about our announcer "admitting" it was a foul. He was saying that y'all received so many gifts from the refs, especially in the 4th, that we were going to take that one.

And now a question: is it also your belief that the league should apologize for the terrible "charge" call on Jeff Teague, when your defender was still moving and was turned sideways? That should have been a chance for a 3pt play for us. That call was much more indefensible than the one you're crying about.

[tcorbin]

finally, the Hawks got a fair call from the refs. Horford clearly did not foul and just had his hands up and it was DeRozan who swung his arms into Horford because he was trying to rush the shot

Not sure what you watched, but that was an obvious foul. Look for the league to apologize once again to the Raptors this year.

well i saw it real time and their was no foul on the last play, but i guess other will have to see it on the replay, on the baseline cam and backboard cam. Horford has his hands up and DeRozan just throws the balls into Horford's elbow and then does his best acting job to try to get a foul from the refs, but the slow motion replay makes it obvious that Horford didn't touch DeRozan and it was DeRozan who initiated the contact and throws the ball into Horford's elbow.

[HSOB SIRHC]

finally, the Hawks got a fair call from the refs. Horford clearly did not foul and just had his hands up and it was DeRozan who swung his arms into Horford because he was trying to rush the shot

Not sure what you watched, but that was an obvious foul. Look for the league to apologize once again to the Raptors this year.

I went over to your board to see the reaction. Of course, I didn't post anything.

HERE, however, let me point out what transpired on that last play: your guy lost the ball while driving, shoved Korver, who dove for the ball and won it, only to be trampled by another of your guys. Korver then kicked that guy in the face! Now, at this point, you should know the refs were letting them play.

THEN, when your guy took the shot from the right elbow, another of your guys shoved Stephenson from the top of the paint to the left side, near Horford. By this time, it's a mele.

And you want the refs to ignore all this yet give you the one call that would have handed you the win?

By the way, when your guy took the last shot, he lost the ball (legally or not) at about his chest, then threw his hands out the remainder of the way. The block/foul was at his chest. You know what, Mr. "it was an obvious foul"? When I watch the replay from the halfcourt angle, it sure looks like a foul but when I watch the behind-the-basket angle, I don't see any illegal contact. I see your player lose the ball around his chest and throw his hands up, begging for a foul.

One last point, I noticed several of your posters commenting about our announcer "admitting" it was a foul. He was saying that y'all received so many gifts from the refs, especially in the 4th, that we were going to take that one.

And now a question: is it also your belief that the league should apologize for the terrible "charge" call on Jeff Teague, when your defender was still moving and was turned sideways? That should have been a chance for a 3pt play for us. That call was much more indefensible than the one you're crying about.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiskXQDS60c[/youtube]

Nice try, but you're a bit delusional is you think that's what happened. Korver wasn't pushed by ANYONE, he actually dove for the loose ball and then got stripped while on the ground. The video is right there if you don't believe me.

Then, at 35 seconds into the video Stevenson doesn't get pushed, He actually pushed off Amir and simply looked like he miss-timed the rebound. No foul there on either team though, both fighting for the rebound.

Demar was short of being raped in that last play. So what will you say when the league issues an apology for the missed call?

[GrimeyKidd]

We had a foul to give anyway

[Hawk4Playoffs]

We had a foul to give anyway

Derozan was shooting the ball... he would have gotten 2 free throws.

[Jamaaliver]

We had a foul to give anyway

God, I Love Grimey.

We've been screwed out of enough wins in the past, I won't feel guilty about taking this one.

[Rip2137]

Yeah, I am with you. No way to argue that wasn't a foul and if that was one of our players (which it has been time and time again) we would be angry.

That said, after getting screwed in the closing minutes against Celtics, Miami, New York, Brooklyn this season, that catastrophe against the Celtics last season and others, I have no sympathy for anyone when it comes to bad calls.

I understand a Toronto fans anger, because he got HACKED, but I just can't seem to care.

[ATL Boy]

Man it feels so good to finally get a no call go our way, sorry Dwyane Casey but now you know how we feel

[parson]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiskXQDS60c[/youtube]

Nice try, but you're a bit delusional is you think that's what happened. Korver wasn't pushed by ANYONE, he actually dove for the loose ball and then got stripped while on the ground. The video is right there if you don't believe me.

Then, at 35 seconds into the video Stevenson doesn't get pushed, He actually pushed off Amir and simply looked like he miss-timed the rebound. No foul there on either team though, both fighting for the rebound.

Demar was short of being raped in that last play. So what will you say when the league issues an apology for the missed call?

Delusional? Your guy lost the ball and used his hand to keep Korver away from it. That didn't bother you, which is my point. And he "got stripped" by a man who came over him, literally, with his feet. But all this proves my point. You want to ignore all the contact (I didn't mention your #15 blocking with 2 forearms - illegal - for the original shot. He was moving while blocking, also illegal) because you want the refs to let the guys play, EXCEPT where it hurts you. Anderson walked, as well, but in the spirit of "letting 'em play" the refs didn't call that, either.

By the way, Horford's arm was over the shooter before he shot. I didn't even notice that last night. Your guy jumped up into Horford's arm, then waved his hands, trying to draw a foul. Take a look and tell me: wasn't Horford's arm there 1st? DeRozan got the rebound, brought it down low, then - with both hands on the ball - swung it around from his left to up over his head. All that time, Horford's arm was right there, over DeRozan's head.

I love the words such as "delusional." Pal, we're ALL fans. That means we prefer one team over another. We're biased. You can't defend the better treatment you got last night from the refs for most of the game, especially after we took the lead. You can't defend the terrible charge call against Jeff Teague, that erased a basket and a chance for an "and one." You aren't bothered by your team's illegal screens, especially by #15 at the beginning of the last play. If your guard had his hand on Korver, pushing him away for the fumbled dribble, if he rolled over him while fighting for the ball, if Anderson walked over Korver while stripping the ball from him - and then walked before taking one dribble and throwing up a shot ...

... it's because the only contact that bothered you is the ONE that kept you from a victory. Seems to me, delusional is expecting the refs to let YOUR guys play but to render strict calls against your opposition.

[tcorbin]

Not sure what you watched, but that was an obvious foul. Look for the league to apologize once again to the Raptors this year.

I went over to your board to see the reaction. Of course, I didn't post anything.

HERE, however, let me point out what transpired on that last play: your guy lost the ball while driving, shoved Korver, who dove for the ball and won it, only to be trampled by another of your guys. Korver then kicked that guy in the face! Now, at this point, you should know the refs were letting them play.

THEN, when your guy took the shot from the right elbow, another of your guys shoved Stephenson from the top of the paint to the left side, near Horford. By this time, it's a mele.

And you want the refs to ignore all this yet give you the one call that would have handed you the win?

By the way, when your guy took the last shot, he lost the ball (legally or not) at about his chest, then threw his hands out the remainder of the way. The block/foul was at his chest. You know what, Mr. "it was an obvious foul"? When I watch the replay from the halfcourt angle, it sure looks like a foul but when I watch the behind-the-basket angle, I don't see any illegal contact. I see your player lose the ball around his chest and throw his hands up, begging for a foul.

One last point, I noticed several of your posters commenting about our announcer "admitting" it was a foul. He was saying that y'all received so many gifts from the refs, especially in the 4th, that we were going to take that one.

And now a question: is it also your belief that the league should apologize for the terrible "charge" call on Jeff Teague, when your defender was still moving and was turned sideways? That should have been a chance for a 3pt play for us. That call was much more indefensible than the one you're crying about.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiskXQDS60c[/youtube]

Nice try, but you're a bit delusional is you think that's what happened. Korver wasn't pushed by ANYONE, he actually dove for the loose ball and then got stripped while on the ground. The video is right there if you don't believe me.

Then, at 35 seconds into the video Stevenson doesn't get pushed, He actually pushed off Amir and simply looked like he miss-timed the rebound. No foul there on either team though, both fighting for the rebound.

Demar was short of being raped in that last play. So what will you say when the league issues an apology for the missed call?

LOL, thanks for posting that, what you just posted made you just lose your own argument

the video clearly shows that Horford got all ball and wasn't even close to hitting Demar's arms

[Hawk4Playoffs]

Al is in the restricted area towering over Demar... Demar has the right to go straight up without Al touching him... I think everybody will agree that Demar was fouled.

Tcorbin, sometimes I wonder if you see a different game than the rest of us.

[jvalanciunas]

looking at the top camera angle, it looks like Horford got a lot of ball and some of Demar's hand, and not Demar's forearms, and in basketball, your hands are apart of the ball. anyway, it is a tough loss and the Rap should have never let go of the lead.

[jvalanciunas]

Al is in the restricted area towering over Demar... Demar has the right to go straight up without Al touching him... I think everybody will agree that Demar was fouled.

Tcorbin, sometimes I wonder if you see a different game than the rest of us.

it doesn't matter if Horford was in the restricted area, Horford is still allowed to go after the ball, and it looks like Horford got all ball on that play and not Demar's shoulders or arms.

[Jamaaliver]

BTW: what is up with Horford, especially with is free throws, i know he is on the decline, and that is why he is not making an all star team anymore, Horford used to be one of my favorite players, but i was shocked when i saw his season free throw average.

How is he on the decline?

AL Horford leads Atlanta in Rebounds, FG%, PER & Double-Doubles. He's avg a career high in points.

Before this season AL's best season avg were 15 ppg 9 rpg 3 apg.

This season AL is avg 16 PPG 10 RPG 3 APG.

His Free Throw % has been unusually low, but he's not on the decline. At all.

Seriously, what are you referring to?

Horford is easily the most consistent Hawks player...by far. He avgd 16/10/3 in November. He avgd 16/10/3 in December. He avgd 16/10/3 in January.

Horford is avg 20 ppg 10 rpg 3 apg in the last two weeks. He just busted the Raptors for 22pts 10 rbs and 6 assists.

Please explain what you're talking about....

[Rip2137]

I too was waiting for a response to this. If anything, after a timid start to the season(at times) he is really gotten into his role and finding how to be most effective for this team.