Pau Gasol

[Klomp]

If the Wolves are willing to take on Gasol, it means they are willing to pay him $20 mil. If that is true, they must be willing to pay Pek up to $13 ..

Not sure I understand that logic

[shrink]

If the Wolves are willing to take on Gasol, it means they are willing to pay him $20 mil. If that is true, they must be willing to pay Pek up to $13 ..

Not sure I understand that logic

If you're willing to spend money next year, it's a lot better deal to spend it on Pek at $13 than it is to spend it on Gasol at $20.

[Trifecta47]

Trade Love for Gasol and the Lakers' next two first rounders. Keep Pek. Not only would Gasol be a good fit with Rubio but also with AK and Schved.

Do you honestly think that is a good trade? I mean, honestly? Love for a 32 year old on the decline, and some picks that sure as **** aren't going to be lottery?

I mean, I know the opinion on Love has gotten pretty low recently, but that is just excessive.

First of all, Love is overrated. He's more of an individualistic type player than a team player, in that his stats exaggerate his true value. His ascendance to stardom has been accompanied by a lot of hype which he himself has contributed to. If he were such a great star, then why haven't the Wolves been in the playoffs? When Rubio went down last year, you saw the Wolves' fortunes plummet. Love is good but not that good.

Two, Gasol still has three good seasons left. He's a very intelligent player and better passer than Love, and would be a better fit. He's not concerned with his individual stats like Love.

Three, this year's Lakers pick could very well be Lottery if the Wolves make this trade -- DH is hurt and his injury is something that's going to require surgery at the end of the season if not sooner, especially if he keeps reinjuring himself. Love won't be ready to play until who knows when. So, the Lakers probably won't make the playoffs if this trade goes down. And a second first rounder would also sweeten the deal.

[Klomp]

Right, but I don't see how you think if we traded for Pau that we'd be willing to pay Pek the max. I'd say its the opposite.

[shrink]

First of all, Love is overrated. He's more of an individualistic type player than a team player, in that his stats exaggerate his true value. His ascendance to stardom has been accompanied by a lot of hype which he himself has contributed to. If he were such a great star, then why haven't the Wolves been in the playoffs? When Rubio went down last year, you saw the Wolves' fortunes plummet. Love is good but not that good.

So I assume you'd be willing to insert the name "Kobe" in this same monologue, to explain the Lakers record this year?

BAM!

[shrink]

Right, but I don't see how you think if we traded for Pau that we'd be willing to pay Pek the max. I'd say its the opposite.

But then you would never trade for Pau. Better to just keep Pek.

[Klomp]

Right, but I don't see how you think if we traded for Pau that we'd be willing to pay Pek the max. I'd say its the opposite.

But then you would never trade for Pau. Better to just keep Pek.

Don't be so sure

[shrink]

Right, but I don't see how you think if we traded for Pau that we'd be willing to pay Pek the max. I'd say its the opposite.

But then you would never trade for Pau. Better to just keep Pek.

Don't be so sure

OK - then I'll just say, "It wouldn't make sense to trade for Pau."

We all agree that Pek at $13 >> Pau at $20, right?

[Hambone93]

First of all, Love is overrated. He's more of an individualistic type player than a team player, in that his stats exaggerate his true value. His ascendance to stardom has been accompanied by a lot of hype which he himself has contributed to. If he were such a great star, then why haven't the Wolves been in the playoffs? When Rubio went down last year, you saw the Wolves' fortunes plummet. Love is good but not that good.

So I assume you'd be willing to insert the name "Kobe" in this same monologue, to explain the Lakers record this year?

BAM!

Or dwight howard. Or Steve nash. Or Pau gasol for that matter.

Either way it's a **** stupid trade idea.

[Klomp]

We all agree that Pek at $13 >> Pau at $20, right?

If you're looking at just next year, sure.

[shrink]

btw, I'm looking for some critiques of the 2013 roster/payroll predictions.

I'm trying to avoid entering some wild new trade, but I'm curious how you think that the Wolves would spend their money next year if they traded Williams, Roy and Barea for Gasol?

[Trifecta47]

How much are the Wolves paying Love? 13 this year, 14 next, 15 the next and a 16 option. Pau is at 19 and 19.2. So, he's expiring next year but not Love. So, it's not about Pek or Pau. It's about Love period. Do you think he is the face of the franchise that will win a championship? In my opinion, not at all. And Pau will make the Wolves better this year and next.

[[RCG]]

btw, I'm looking for some critiques of the 2013 roster/payroll predictions.

I'm trying to avoid entering some wild new trade, but I'm curious how you think that the Wolves would spend their money next year if they traded Williams, Roy and Barea for Gasol?

They wouldn't be spending on money next year if we had to pay Love, Gasol and Kirilenko.

[shrink]

How much are the Wolves paying Love? 13 this year, 14 next, 15 the next and a 16 option. Pau is at 19 and 19.2. So, he's expiring next year but not Love. So, it's not about Pek or Pau. It's about Love period. Do you think he is the face of the franchise that will win a championship? In my opinion, not at all. And Pau will make the Wolves better this year and next.

Ok, first, Pau has a trade kicker that would make him cost $19.6 and $20 mil for his next two years.

Second, he's not worth anything close to $19.6 and $20 mil for the next two years.

That salary makes him one of the 10 highest paid players in the NBA .. and I think even the biggest Laker fan would have to admit that Pau these days is not a top ten player.

If the Lakers want Love, at least offer something that's worth his contract! Otherwise, keep him and become more realistic about how giant salaries actually affect teams that have normal NBA payrolls.

[Trifecta47]

How much are the Wolves paying Love? 13 this year, 14 next, 15 the next and a 16 option. Pau is at 19 and 19.2. So, he's expiring next year but not Love. So, it's not about Pek or Pau. It's about Love period. Do you think he is the face of the franchise that will win a championship? In my opinion, not at all. And Pau will make the Wolves better this year and next.

Ok, first, Pau has a trade kicker that would make him cost $19.6 and $20 mil for his next two years.

Second, he's not worth anything close to $19.6 and $20 mil for the next two years.

That salary makes him one of the 10 highest paid players in the NBA .. and I think even the biggest Laker fan would have to admit that Pau these days is not a top ten player.

If the Lakers want Love, at least offer something that's worth his contract! Otherwise, keep him and become more realistic about how giant salaries actually affect teams that have normal NBA payrolls.

Trade Kicker? Not according to Hoops Hype: http://hoopshype.com/salaries/la_lakers.htm

Says Pau is making 19.2 next and expiring? Where did you get the trade kicker info? -- ok, looked it up. Yes, the trade kicker will pay him 5 percent more next year and this, most of which is already paid out, but there's no additional year after next year. So, Pau will be expiring next year.

Look, the Wolves are tied up with Love and he's making $45M the next 3 years while Pau will be making $19M for one more year. But then maybe the info on Hoops Hype is out of date?

[champalift]

I would not offer much of value for Pau. I mean seriously, what are the Lakers going to do? If they don't want him, they will need to trade for pennies on the dollar just to get rid of the contract. There aren't many teams who would be interested in adding Pau at 15m per year let alone 20m.
Derrick Williams, JJ Barea, Brandon Roy for Gasol and their first rounder (if they even have one after Dwight trade??) is the direction I would go.

[Krapinsky]

Whether it's Pau or Derozan or someone else, I don't really care, but there are a lot of guys that move the needle for us that are constantly poopooed on here because of their contracts. I don't know about you guys but i'm getting pretty fed up with cheering for a perpetual bottom feeding team. Our supposed "cornerstones" Rubio and Love have taken giant steps back. At the rate we're playing we look like we might be drafting in the top 5 AGAIN. We've had cap room and it doesn't bring us much -- with MN being a second or third tier free agent destination and with teams resigning their own young players (Batum, Gordon, etc.). It seems the only realistic way to improve the roster is 1) through the draft or 2) to acquire an overpaid player (Gay, Pau, Derozan, etc.). Other guys are just not going to be obtainable. We can keep on hoping and keep on dreaming, but it's never gonna happen. So we can continue to penny pinch and keep a nice flexible cap and say everyone is overpaid we don't want them, but that does us no good unless we draft stars in place to build around (OKC, SA). And we haven't been able to do that since KG. /rant.

[Worm Guts]

Bad trades don't move the needle. They just guarantee you'll be bad for longer.

[shrink]

Bad trades don't move the needle. They just guarantee you'll be bad for longer.

Ditto. When we're trying to compete with $100 mil payroll teams and multiple superstars, we need to get the most out of our own payroll, whether it's $70 mil or a little over that into the lux range.

It's easy for people to dismiss expensive players because it's not their money, but many of us look at it like that's wasted money that could bring in more production. If we spend $40 mil on Gasol and get $20 mil in production, that's going to mean more losses than wins, longterm.

[shrink]

If the Lakers want Love, at least offer something that's worth his contract! Otherwise, keep him and become more realistic about how giant salaries actually affect teams that have normal NBA payrolls.

Trade Kicker? Not according to Hoops Hype: http://hoopshype.com/salaries/la_lakers.htm

Says Pau is making 19.2 next and expiring? Where did you get the trade kicker info? -- ok, looked it up. Yes, the trade kicker will pay him 5 percent more next year and this, most of which is already paid out, but there's no additional year after next year. So, Pau will be expiring next year.

Look, the Wolves are tied up with Love and he's making $45M the next 3 years while Pau will be making $19M for one more year. But then maybe the info on Hoops Hype is out of date?

1. Gasol's trade kicker is 15%. Please save these sites for more accurate financial information:

http://www.storytellerscontracts.info/resources/12-13salaries.htm

http://data.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/lakers.jsp

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AodNvAy3ZYZmdGE3NDBqMElRUXh2REN4Q3pZRG1TU1E&gid=15

2, The Wolves are certainly do not feel "tied up" by Kevin Love's contract. By some statistics, he was the second best player in the NBA the previous two seasons, and he's certainly a top ten player, well worth his (much smaller than Gasol's) max deal. He signed the deal and is locked in for three more shots at a championships, and while it's unlikely the Wolves would trade Love since it's so hard for them to get stars, they could certainly get a better offer for him than Pau Gasol.