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Re: OT: Should the Jets try for Alex Smith 

Post#21 » by I_Love_NYK » Mon Feb 4, 2013 5:14 pm

Jets are over the Cap. Mark Sanchez and Santonio Holmes both have guaranteed money this year. Unless they want to pay Sanchez 8.5 mil to sit on the bench. Nobody will want to trade for him.

This coming from a Giants fan but ESPN radio talks about the Jets soo much even during the playoffs.
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Re: OT: Should the Jets try for Alex Smith 

Post#22 » by Brooklyn_Yards » Mon Feb 4, 2013 5:16 pm

j4remi wrote:Just an aside, the Jets were looking into JAMARCUS RUSSELL...That's the type of QB our cap allows for taking a shot on.


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Re: OT: Should the Jets try for Alex Smith 

Post#23 » by seren » Mon Feb 4, 2013 5:16 pm

I_Love_NYK wrote:Jets are over the Cap. Mark Sanchez and Santonio Holmes both have guaranteed money this year. Unless they want to pay Sanchez 8.5 mil to sit on the bench. Nobody will want to trade for him.

This coming from a Giants fan but ESPN radio talks about the Jets soo much even during the playoffs.


It's because they have a contract with Jets. Same with the Knicks.
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Re: OT: Should the Jets try for Alex Smith 

Post#24 » by I_Love_NYK » Mon Feb 4, 2013 5:20 pm

seren wrote:
I_Love_NYK wrote:Jets are over the Cap. Mark Sanchez and Santonio Holmes both have guaranteed money this year. Unless they want to pay Sanchez 8.5 mil to sit on the bench. Nobody will want to trade for him.

This coming from a Giants fan but ESPN radio talks about the Jets soo much even during the playoffs.


It's because they have a contract with Jets. Same with the Knicks.


Ture, the WFAN is soo boring with Mike Francesca so I listen to Michael Kay
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Re: OT: Should the Jets try for Alex Smith 

Post#25 » by moocow007 » Mon Feb 4, 2013 5:26 pm

Alex Smith is making too much money so that even if the Jets find a trade that works it would eat too much into the little money they'll have to fill a whole whole whole lot of needs. So unless the Niners cut Smith, not happening. Also there are plenty of concerns about Smtih's wishy washy personality not being able to handle the NY media to make acquiring him even more risky. And trading Revis for him? LOL...heck no...not unless the Niners are willing to package Gore or Willis with Smith. If they are trading Revis it should be for multiple high picks.

And no, by no means am I saying that Mark Sanchez is the guy I want...he sucks...weak arm and weak mentality = doomed in NY.

The Jets realistic options are:

a) Sign some borderline starting QB (i.e. good backup QB) to compete with Sanchez (really to start in place of Sanchez) and hope that they catch lightning (or at least some sparks) in a bottle. Tarvaris Jackson is a guy that has been mentioned. PS: Heck no to Jamarcus "Jaba the Hutt" Russell.

b) Look to draft a tough minded strong armed QB (that maybe has some accuracy issues) in the 2nd or 3rd round and have him learn on the job (no better place than this year to see proof that that's possible...Kaepernick was drafted 19th in the 2nd round, Russ Wilson was the 12th pick in the 3rd round, ). Unlikely unless that rookie really comes out surprising considering Rex Ryan's lame duck status...but worth a try.

c) {insert picture of Mark Sanchez standing next to a tank}
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Re: OT: Should the Jets try for Alex Smith 

Post#26 » by j4remi » Mon Feb 4, 2013 5:37 pm

moocow007 wrote:Alex Smith is making too much money so that even if the Jets find a trade that works it would eat too much into the little money they'll have to fill a whole whole whole lot of needs. So unless the Niners cut Smith, not happening. Also there are plenty of concerns about Smtih's wishy washy personality not being able to handle the NY media to make acquiring him even more risky. And trading Revis for him? LOL...heck no...not unless the Niners are willing to package Gore or Willis with Smith. If they are trading Revis it should be for multiple high picks.

And no, by no means am I saying that Mark Sanchez is the guy I want...he sucks...weak arm and weak mentality = doomed in NY.

The Jets realistic options are:

a) Sign some borderline starting QB (i.e. good backup QB) to compete with Sanchez (really to start in place of Sanchez) and hope that they catch lightning (or at least some sparks) in a bottle. Tarvaris Jackson is a guy that has been mentioned. PS: Heck no to Jamarcus "Jaba the Hutt" Russell.

b) Look to draft a tough minded strong armed QB (that maybe has some accuracy issues) in the 2nd or 3rd round and have him learn on the job (no better place than the Super Bowl to see proof that that's possible). Unlikely unless that rookie really comes out surprising considering Rex Ryan's lame duck status...but worth a try.

c) {insert picture of Mark Sanchez standing next to a tank}


I think Tavaris Jackson would be a nice stop gap player. I'm also expecting the Jets to go MLB first round, TE/QB in the second and third rounds (not sure in what order). I remember reading about a big QB who was projected to go in the second round right around the Jets pick and that would make sense to me (assuming he fits Morningwheg's spread O).

I think if they're going to deal Revis, they should be looking for multiple picks over a position player unless it's a RB good enough to carry the load. They need more picks to address holes in the secondary (Safties) and address the need for a running back. I'd love to see them replace Slauson as well.
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Re: OT: Should the Jets try for Alex Smith 

Post#27 » by moocow007 » Mon Feb 4, 2013 6:08 pm

j4remi wrote:
moocow007 wrote:Alex Smith is making too much money so that even if the Jets find a trade that works it would eat too much into the little money they'll have to fill a whole whole whole lot of needs. So unless the Niners cut Smith, not happening. Also there are plenty of concerns about Smtih's wishy washy personality not being able to handle the NY media to make acquiring him even more risky. And trading Revis for him? LOL...heck no...not unless the Niners are willing to package Gore or Willis with Smith. If they are trading Revis it should be for multiple high picks.

And no, by no means am I saying that Mark Sanchez is the guy I want...he sucks...weak arm and weak mentality = doomed in NY.

The Jets realistic options are:

a) Sign some borderline starting QB (i.e. good backup QB) to compete with Sanchez (really to start in place of Sanchez) and hope that they catch lightning (or at least some sparks) in a bottle. Tarvaris Jackson is a guy that has been mentioned. PS: Heck no to Jamarcus "Jaba the Hutt" Russell.

b) Look to draft a tough minded strong armed QB (that maybe has some accuracy issues) in the 2nd or 3rd round and have him learn on the job (no better place than the Super Bowl to see proof that that's possible). Unlikely unless that rookie really comes out surprising considering Rex Ryan's lame duck status...but worth a try.

c) {insert picture of Mark Sanchez standing next to a tank}


I think Tavaris Jackson would be a nice stop gap player. I'm also expecting the Jets to go MLB first round, TE/QB in the second and third rounds (not sure in what order). I remember reading about a big QB who was projected to go in the second round right around the Jets pick and that would make sense to me (assuming he fits Morningwheg's spread O).

I think if they're going to deal Revis, they should be looking for multiple picks over a position player unless it's a RB good enough to carry the load. They need more picks to address holes in the secondary (Safties) and address the need for a running back. I'd love to see them replace Slauson as well.


There are a few QBs that are very interesting for the 2nd or 3rd rounds.

The most interesting one is a Junior from Tennessee...Tyler Bray. Not sure if he's going to declare or wait but if he's goes the Jets should seriously think about taking him with their 2nd round pick. He's a bit raw but he has big time talent and toughness in a 6'5" package. I think he's the most raw QB of the group but if they can do a Jackson stopgap they may be ok. Bray is projected as a top pick in 2014 if he stays. Mike Glennon is another QB with a big arm (best in the draft from what I recall) but some question about his mental toughness under pressure...supposed to very smart. And I know the Jets have been looking at Syracuse QB Ryan Nassib. Not as strong an arm but probably the most mobile of the bunch and an extremely competitive guy.

If Bray is in the draft I would consider taking him in the 2nd round pick, he won't last to the 3rd round with how well rookie QB's have done this past season.

Yep agreed...definitely should go with a linebacker with the 1st pick and then QB/TE with the 2nd and 3rd.
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Re: OT: Should the Jets try for Alex Smith 

Post#28 » by j4remi » Mon Feb 4, 2013 6:12 pm

Bray is the guy I was thinking of. ESPN NY was talking about the Jets taking him but I can't remember if they said it just as a fit thing or if the Jets had already looked into him. He sounded like the perfect QB to bring in and develop...and I mean DEVELOP, not just throw to the wolves like Sanchez. I can't help but wonder what would have happened had we let Sanchez take his time and learn from the bench before tossing him in with no pressure whatsoever from a second QB.
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Re: OT: Should the Jets try for Alex Smith 

Post#29 » by Moose » Mon Feb 4, 2013 6:16 pm

No.


Between the money he would command, the possible trade pieces to get him if not released, and the fact that he is a mediocre QB, are all reasons the jets should not obtain Alex Smith.
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Re: OT: Should the Jets try for Alex Smith 

Post#30 » by CrazyKnicks » Mon Feb 4, 2013 6:21 pm

Flaming Mo wrote:Hell no, they gotta draft a QB. Smith is nothing special and you dont want to have some retreat like him or Matt Flynn lead your franchise. There is a reason there are not starting for their teams...
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Re: OT: Should the Jets try for Alex Smith 

Post#31 » by moocow007 » Mon Feb 4, 2013 6:23 pm

j4remi wrote:Bray is the guy I was thinking of. ESPN NY was talking about the Jets taking him but I can't remember if they said it just as a fit thing or if the Jets had already looked into him. He sounded like the perfect QB to bring in and develop...and I mean DEVELOP, not just throw to the wolves like Sanchez. I can't help but wonder what would have happened had we let Sanchez take his time and learn from the bench before tossing him in with no pressure whatsoever from a second QB.


Yeah the problem with Sanchez though is that he never had a real strong arm. He was labeled as the guy with all the intangibles that had that star aura about him. Maybe if he had more time those intangibles would have come out and made him something but Sanchez really had nothing to fall back on if everything else about him didn't click. The biggest dissapointment with Sanchez was that he seemed to be more interested in "Sanchez the media darling" instead of "Sanchez the starting QB of the Jets". That's really where he failed and I don't think anything could have prevented that.

In contrast, guys like Flacco and Kaepernick have cannon arms and the confidence to back it up, which is what made them so great...especially in big moments. They were talking about Kaepernick's throws being so hard that even in slow motion they looked fast. And Flacco can bazooka throws down field with accuracy and distance. It was actually funny when they were interviewing Flacco and he said quite even keeled that he doesn't think anyone else can throw as well as him, that even his son will never be as good as him...and then he went out there and backed it up on the biggest stage you can play on.
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Re: OT: Should the Jets try for Alex Smith 

Post#32 » by BKAY » Mon Feb 4, 2013 6:43 pm

Anyone else feeling my Fitz for Revis suggestion? I'm a big Jets fan. I'm not sure I'm ready to go back into rebuilding again. I think Smith could be had for less than you would expect and Cards would have to love to pair up P Peterson and Revis (would be a BEAST CB pair)
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Re: OT: Should the Jets try for Alex Smith 

Post#33 » by SaveUsKP6 » Mon Feb 4, 2013 6:49 pm

BKAY wrote:Anyone else feeling my Fitz for Revis suggestion? I'm a big Jets fan. I'm not sure I'm ready to go back into rebuilding again. I think Smith could be had for less than you would expect and Cards would have to love to pair up P Peterson and Revis (would be a BEAST CB pair)


This is the problem. We NEED to go back into rebuilding. There's no way around it. There's no way to have contracts like Revis (or Fitz) with Sanchez, Holmes and Cromartie while trying to rebuild. Find me a team that rebuilt and stayed competitive, minus the Packers.
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Re: OT: Should the Jets try for Alex Smith 

Post#34 » by Flaming Mo » Mon Feb 4, 2013 7:23 pm

Thugger HBC wrote:I*n Alex case, he didn't lose his job due to his performance on the field, he lost it due to Kap breaking out while he was injured.

I'd take that chance on Smith, but i doubt the Jets would invest starter money for two QB's


It doesn't matter. Fact is he was benched in the middle of the year because his coaching staff didn't believe he would take them to the promised land.
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Re: OT: Should the Jets try for Alex Smith 

Post#35 » by JustaKnickFan » Mon Feb 4, 2013 7:30 pm

No, Jets need to tank next year and then get Teddy Bridgewater.
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Re: OT: Should the Jets try for Alex Smith 

Post#36 » by RutgersBJJ » Mon Feb 4, 2013 7:57 pm

Why? So we can win 7 games next year instead of 5 in the most pathetic division in all of football? We play in the NFL equivalent of Big East football. Just an absolute garbage division.

And if we pass on Jarvis Jones or the freak from BYU I am burning down MetLife. Coples and Jones is a great place to start at in the roster transformation especially if you get them as DE and OLB on the same side on passing downs. I also want EJ Manuel in the later rounds. He encompasses everything Rex said he wants his attacking offense to be.
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Re: OT: Should the Jets try for Alex Smith 

Post#37 » by Fury » Mon Feb 4, 2013 7:59 pm

JustaKnickFan wrote:No, Jets need to tank next year and then get Teddy Bridgewater.


Yep. Trade Revis for some picks.
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Re: OT: Should the Jets try for Alex Smith 

Post#38 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Feb 4, 2013 8:00 pm

Is rather have Flynn from Seattle. I hear that there's a good chance Alex Smith end up in Phily.


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Re: OT: Should the Jets try for Alex Smith 

Post#39 » by moocow007 » Mon Feb 4, 2013 9:17 pm

BKAY wrote:Anyone else feeling my Fitz for Revis suggestion? I'm a big Jets fan. I'm not sure I'm ready to go back into rebuilding again. I think Smith could be had for less than you would expect and Cards would have to love to pair up P Peterson and Revis (would be a BEAST CB pair)


Big fan of Larry Fitzgerald but problem with that is Sanchez would never be able to get the ball to Fitzgerald in his sweet spots so that he'd make a similiar impact on the offensive end that Revis makes on the defensive end. Honestly, it's the same reason IMO that Santonio Holmes has never liked or respected Sanchez...because of Sanchez's pellet arm.

Sanchez's problems isn't because he doesn't have superstar WR's...it's him, his mediocre arm and lack of great feel and intensity for the game. It's why Sanchez would probably be better with a Wes Welker type sticky handed receiver (BTW I believe Welker is a FA) who can catch the short passes up the middle and then get himself some more yardage.

The best thing for Sanchez is someone like Tony Gonzalez that can catch anything that Sanchez tosses in his general direction and then create some more yardage for himself on the ground. It's why Sanchez has been at his best when Keller has been healthy. Which is why, if the Jets goal is to try to actually win games this upcoming season, they need to find a TE.

That and a better RB than the shite that what they've had for years now to take the emphasis off of him to have to throw the ball for the Jets to win games.

With Smith the problem isn't who to trade for him (I'm sure the 49ers would take a mid round pick to move him off the books), it's his guaranteed salary.
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Re: OT: Should the Jets try for Alex Smith 

Post#40 » by poeman » Mon Feb 4, 2013 9:27 pm

Trading Revis will hurt so much man...He's a hall of famer

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