Javale Mcgee

Bickema · Post #1 » by **Bickema** » Mon Feb 4, 2013 7:08 pm

Would anyone like to see the Hawks trade Josh Smith for a package centered around Javale Mcgee in some form or another. I know I would. At 7 feet 1 he is athletic as any center in the league. His basketball I.Q. is a different story. Thoughts?

D1ckeyS1mpkins · Post #2 » by **D1ckeyS1mpkins** » Mon Feb 4, 2013 7:19 pm

McGee would be interesting but the last thing the Hawks need is to trade one knucklehead for another. Plus, Gortat is making something like $8million next year and is a free agent the following year. I'd take a rental on Gortat before locking in serious cash on a project like Mcgee.

Bickema · Post #3 » by **Bickema** » Mon Feb 4, 2013 7:35 pm

Mcgee is in the first year of a 4 year 44 million contract. That's only 11 million a year for a guy that has the potential to be the best Center in the league. Saving all this money for free agency doesn't do anything if no one wants to sign here next year. Last thing I want is giving a max contract to a guy like Igoudala or Milsap.

Hawk4Playoffs · Post #4 » by **Hawk4Playoffs** » Mon Feb 4, 2013 7:41 pm

Why would Igoudala or Milsaps get a max contract? They are not even worth half a max. McGee is a bonehead and that would truly be a "turrible" move.

That's turrible Kenny!

Post #5 » by **ATL Boy** » Mon Feb 4, 2013 8:27 pm

I'd love Mcgee, good young Center, a player that would fit perfectly into our lineup. He's a bonehead but so's Josh

Rip2137 · Post #6 » by **Rip2137** » Mon Feb 4, 2013 8:44 pm

THIS is what I don't get about you guys. You thrash Josh for his numerous flaws but are more than fine grabbing a guy with a notoriously worse basketball IQ. He is a worse defender, scorer, passer, rebounder...he is literally worse at ever piece of the game, his coach calls him lazy(something none of you can accuse Josh of being) yet you are "okay" with a trade involving him for Josh?

I would take Mozgov before I would take McGee.

Yungsta404 · Post #7 » by **Yungsta404** » Mon Feb 4, 2013 8:45 pm

**** that Im done having knuckleheads on our team. IDGAF how much potential they have. They never play up to it.

Post #8 » by **Jamaaliver** » Tue Feb 5, 2013 3:24 am

Rip2137 wrote:THIS is what I don't get about you guys. You thrash Josh for his numerous flaws but are more than fine grabbing a guy with a notoriously worse basketball IQ

I want absolutely nothing to do with Javale. He falls into bad habits to easily, which was his big problem in Washington.

A team that depends on Javale McGee to man the 5 spot long term is subject to be disappointed. Over and over again.

As much as Josh's lack of focus bothers me when he gets frustrated, Javale's lackadaisical nature would drive me crazy.

I grew up rooting for Andruw Jones, Mike Vick and Josh Smith.

I'm tired of waiting and hoping for knuckleheads to live up to their potential.

Jason Thompson gives similar production to McGee with none of the headache. There's also Taj Gibson, Shved, Ed Davis, Pau Gasol, Marcin Gortat.
Any of these guys would be more dependable than Javale McGee.

tcorbin · Post #9 » by **tcorbin** » Tue Feb 5, 2013 6:29 am

No matter what your biases or your prejudices, whether you agree or disagree, we all know that Ferry is going after Dwight this summer. any talk or offers that goes against that narrative is ultimately just fantasy and a waste of time spent on speculation.

McGee is a good player, but because he is a center, like it stated above, it does go against that clear narrative that Ferry has established.

Argue with all your biases all you want, but the decision is not democratic, it is for only Ferry to make, and even if you hold strong prejudices, you can't reject Ferry's clear messages and singular goal he has set out for this summer.

Hawk4Playoffs · Post #10 » by **Hawk4Playoffs** » Tue Feb 5, 2013 3:47 pm

We aren't doubting ferry going after dwight. we are doubting dwight signing with the hawks. big difference.

parson · Post #11 » by **parson** » Tue Feb 5, 2013 7:21 pm

For the life of me, I cannot understand those Hawks fans who claim there is no chance of any major, major FA signing with ATL.

Hawk4Playoffs · Post #12 » by **Hawk4Playoffs** » Tue Feb 5, 2013 7:33 pm

The Hawks haven't had a superstar since... Dominique? Thats a long damn time! What makes Atlanta better than LA? You actually think cp3 is going to leave the Clippers for the Hawks??? Why would d12 leave millions of dollars on the table to come to Atlanta? He is going to be the face of the franchise for years to come after Kobe retires.

Do you actually remember a sold out Hawks game? If so, were most of the fans cheering for the other team? Cause every time I go see a Celtics, Knicks, Heat... there are more fans for the other team than our own team. Probably outnumbered 2:1. Paul Pierce was hyping up the Celtics fans during the time out by waving his hands... If you were a superstar would you leave millions of dollars and LA for less money and unsupportive hawks fans? Cause i sure as hell wouldn't. Money talks.

Post #13 » by **Jamaaliver** » Tue Feb 5, 2013 9:20 pm

parson wrote:For the life of me, I cannot understand those Hawks fans who claim there is no chance of any major, major FA signing with ATL.

Recent history. (JJ was the only major Free Agent to sign here since Mutombo.)

Waning fanbase. (So many empty seats in Philips Arena.)

Unstable ownership. (After years of infighting, the group tried and failed to sell the franchise a little over a year ago. Three GMs in 10 years.)

Athletes love living in and visiting Atlanta. But our Football and basketball teams have had difficulty attracting top free agents for years.

I foresee AL Jefferson and JJ Hickson being the two big names for us this summer.

Rip2137 · Post #14 » by **Rip2137** » Tue Feb 5, 2013 9:33 pm

Anyone wan to explain to me how Joe Johnson was a MAJOR free agent signing? He went from Role player (big role...but still a role player) to being offered a max deal. How is that any different than, say, Lou Williams(with less money involved)? Did he turn out to be an all star? Sure! but that doens't make the signing a MAJOR move. One year of Erik Dampier and Kenyon Martin not signing max deals here and suddenly NO free agents sign here.

Post #15 » by **Jamaaliver** » Tue Feb 5, 2013 9:59 pm

Rip2137 wrote:Anyone wan to explain to me how Joe Johnson was a MAJOR free agent signing? He went fro. Role player (big role...but still a role) to being offered a max deal. How is that any different than, say, Lou Williams? Did he turn out to be an all star? One year of Erik Dampier and Kenyon Martin not signing max deals here and suddenly NO free agents sign here.

I think it was mainly his potential to be the primary scorer, ball handler and wing defender and help a last place franchise become competitive. He was offered a boatload of money to come be our top player.

We were desperate for help to assist our young squad. Also, BK envisioned JJ as our starting PG.

This was part of the reason we passed on Deron Williams and CP3.

We were pretty much the worse team in the league and hadn't been to the playoffs in 5+ years. We overpaid a bit out of desperation.

If I remember correctly, I believe our ownership had a slight disagreement over JJ's total worth.

Oh, wait...you were being sarcastic. Nevermind.

Hawk4Playoffs · Post #16 » by **Hawk4Playoffs** » Tue Feb 5, 2013 10:08 pm

Rip2137 wrote:Anyone wan to explain to me how Joe Johnson was a MAJOR free agent signing? He went from Role player (big role...but still a role player) to being offered a max deal. How is that any different than, say, Lou Williams(with less money involved)? Did he turn out to be an all star? Sure! but that doens't make the signing a MAJOR move. One year of Erik Dampier and Kenyon Martin not signing max deals here and suddenly NO free agents sign here.

Joe wasn't a "MAJOR" free agent signing. BUT he did sign with Atlanta when he could have easily resigned with Phoenix for the same contract and made it to the playoffs every year with Nash, Amare and company. Phoenix decided to match his contract but Joe said no and WANTED to play for the Hawks.

Lou signed with the Hawks because we were the only one chasing him. We simply offered him the best contract. Seeing that the 76ers signed Swaggy P, they didn't have much room for Lou. So its not that Lou choose us over anybody else, he was just given the best contract here in ATL.

Post #17 » by **Jamaaliver** » Tue Feb 5, 2013 10:16 pm

RIP, I know you weren't a big JJ fan, but his signing wa a big one. It was treated as such by the organization, the beat writers, the fanbase, the league.

Difference between signing Lou and JJ:

JJ was given max money to come be the franchise player. He led us from worse team in the league to perennial playoff player. He was an All Star, All NBA and represented us in the World Basketball Championships.

Lou was signed to be a backup. For less money than we pay Zaza. He was not expected to carry us. The NBA didn't even bother to put him on the ALL Star Ballot.

Clearly we expected more from the JJ signing; it was a big deal.

The city treated the JJ signing very similar to the Mutombo signing years ago. As a big deal.

Lou was expected to be a 4th option at best. Thus the short contract for a low dollar amount.

Post #18 » by **ATL Boy** » Wed Feb 6, 2013 3:35 am

Hawk4Playoffs wrote:
Rip2137 wrote:Anyone wan to explain to me how Joe Johnson was a MAJOR free agent signing? He went from Role player (big role...but still a role player) to being offered a max deal. How is that any different than, say, Lou Williams(with less money involved)? Did he turn out to be an all star? Sure! but that doens't make the signing a MAJOR move. One year of Erik Dampier and Kenyon Martin not signing max deals here and suddenly NO free agents sign here.

Joe wasn't a "MAJOR" free agent signing. BUT he did sign with Atlanta when he could have easily resigned with Phoenix for the same contract and made it to the playoffs every year with Nash, Amare and company. Phoenix decided to match his contract but Joe said no and WANTED to play for the Hawks.

Lou signed with the Hawks because we were the only one chasing him. We simply offered him the best contract. Seeing that the 76ers signed Swaggy P, they didn't have much room for Lou. So its not that Lou choose us over anybody else, he was just given the best contract here in ATL.

There are so many things wrong with this post. First of all I know for a fact that there are many teams that would've been delighted to sign Lou. Williams also WANTED to play for the Hawks and saying that he was given the best contract is just false, the MLE wasn't the best he could do out in the open market, he was set to make around 8 mil a year but he CHOSE Atlanta and gave us the hometown discount. It's not that we were the default team: Philly wanted him but he wanted Atlanta

Hawk4Playoffs · Post #19 » by **Hawk4Playoffs** » Wed Feb 6, 2013 3:49 am

ATL Boy wrote:
Hawk4Playoffs wrote:
Rip2137 wrote:Anyone wan to explain to me how Joe Johnson was a MAJOR free agent signing? He went from Role player (big role...but still a role player) to being offered a max deal. How is that any different than, say, Lou Williams(with less money involved)? Did he turn out to be an all star? Sure! but that doens't make the signing a MAJOR move. One year of Erik Dampier and Kenyon Martin not signing max deals here and suddenly NO free agents sign here.

Joe wasn't a "MAJOR" free agent signing. BUT he did sign with Atlanta when he could have easily resigned with Phoenix for the same contract and made it to the playoffs every year with Nash, Amare and company. Phoenix decided to match his contract but Joe said no and WANTED to play for the Hawks.

Lou signed with the Hawks because we were the only one chasing him. We simply offered him the best contract. Seeing that the 76ers signed Swaggy P, they didn't have much room for Lou. So its not that Lou choose us over anybody else, he was just given the best contract here in ATL.

There are so many things wrong with this post. First of all I know for a fact that there are many teams that would've been delighted to sign Lou. Williams also WANTED to play for the Hawks and saying that he was given the best contract is just false, the MLE wasn't the best he could do out in the open market, he was set to make around 8 mil a year but he CHOSE Atlanta and gave us the hometown discount. It's not that we were the default team: Philly wanted him but he wanted Atlanta

Who offered him 8 million? NOBODY DID. Philly did not want to resign him. They signed Nick Young. I don't know where the heck you get your info from.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1250 ... a-new-home

You have no idea what you are talking about. People would definitely love to have Lou. no doubt. But nobody offered him 8 mil a year. You think he would leave 3 mil a year to come to the hawks. You must be delusional.

MaceCase · Post #20 » by **MaceCase** » Wed Feb 6, 2013 4:50 am

*Sigh* Bleacherreport is not a legitimate news source, it is a fanpage for any dope to play pretend reporter.

Try this.

The Warriors were close to a sign-and-trade for Lou Williams, and offered him more than the Hawks did, but Williams' desire to play close to where he grew up in Georgia won out, reports Tim Kawakami of the Bay Area News Group. Williams would essentially have replaced the less expensive Jarrett Jack in the Dorell Wright trade

https://twitter.com/timkawakami/status/ ... 5038011393 Warriors gainfully employed beat writer.

The Grizzlies' pursuit of Jerryd Bayless, whom they signed Wednesday, began Tuesday after Ramon Sessions, Randy Foye, Aaron Brooks and Lou Williams all turned down offers from the team, the Memphis Commercial Appeal reports

https://twitter.com/CAGrizBlog/status/2 ... 2275871744 Grizzlies gainfully employed beat writer.

Before Lou Williams signed with the Hawks, the Sixers offered him "two-, three-, and four-year deals," says Collins.

https://twitter.com/BobCooney76/status/ ... 9518513153 Sixers gainfully employed beat writer.