Around the NBA part 4

[pj0tr]

I feel bad for the casual Real GM poster who comes into this thread thinking they will see posts about what's happening around the NBA but instead see debates about former Knicks and about teams that are challenging the Knicks for the number 1 seed in the East.

I actually originally came into this thread discussion the Eastern conference with some Knick posters, before fdr decided that the Bulls were a joke.

[Thugger HBC]

OK. If Bulls make it out of the 1st round you will be banned forever. If not, I will be.

Here are the rules:

First round must be against either Pacers or Nets. No injury excuses.

Works?

I thought you said first round general and now you changing it? Scared?

Whatever, I'll take this bet regardless.

This should not be official, if the Bulls get the third seed either by record or division win, most likely they AVOID both Indy and BK in the first....thus a bet cancellation.

[frogfood]

I think we agreed that's OK if it got cancelled but if you wanna throw in ATL, Mil etc that sure lol.

[fdr2012]

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8915581/the-chicago-bulls-coach-tom-thibodeau-quest-perfection

no no no, you see, Chicago just overloads the strong side.

So we good fdr? On our bet?

PnR defense is different than ISO defense. Noah basically plays zone. The biggest advantage of the PnR defense is that it's different from what other teams do, so during the regular season teams gets confused by the different look. However, a huge portion of the court is vulnerable to cutters with this scheme.

Did you watch the Pacers game yesterday? How do you think they scored so easily on that perfect defense?

[fdr2012]

I think we agreed that's OK if it got cancelled but if you wanna throw in ATL, Mil etc that sure lol.

Hawks are in the same class as Bucks/Celtics. I don't think its likely that the Bulls get the 3rd seed. I see them getting the 4th-5th seed.

Both Vogel and Calesimo will easily expose the Bulls.

[fdr2012]

It would still be a false statement, Indiana averaged 90.8 PPG against the Bulls in the regular season in 2010-11 and Miami 90.3 PPG.

Atlanta was the only one that scored less at 80.0 PPG. Which would bring it down to 87.4 PPG against those teams, which is a minor difference from 88.3.

The Bulls have been the 23rd, 28th, and 27th ranked teams in pace since Thibbs took over, so the pacing really doesn't matter either as the Bulls are one of the slowest teams in the league already.

If the Bulls lose, they will lose.

Average out the 16 games and the Bulls allowed more points than they did in the regular season. It's that simple. Don't jump to say something is False when it clearly isn't. You're just exposing your stupidity.

[fdr2012]

I dislike the Bulls just as much as anyone else does but let's not drink any Bulls-Haterade, Chicago might have lost in the playoffs the last few years but that didn't stop them from bullying the Knicks three times this season and I would hate to be the team that they bully in the first round once they're fully healthy.

Coach Thibedeau is responsible for helping two teams make it past the Eastern Conference finals and is probably the Larry Brown of his generation of coaches. You can't call making two NBA finals appearances and one eastern conference appearance 2 years ago a gimmick. You might as well say the '99 Knicks run was pure luck. If you want to say that Mike D'antoni's offense or the success of the Brooklyn Nets is a gimmick then you might have a case, but until the Bulls fall short of making any type of run in the playoffs then I don't think anyone has a right to diminish their success.

RE bullying the Knicks - Knicks played straight into their hands with the ISO ball. That has no chance against the packed paint. Also, Knicks played two games without Felton and one without Melo, so lets keep it in proportion. I do have my worries about Woodson's ability to adjust. You need to move the ball quickly against the Bulls and you need dribble penetration.

The Bulls haven't had any playoff success. They got the 1st seed twice and then lost one year in the ECF and the next in the first round. That is a miserable failure by any standard.

[pj0tr]

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8915581/the-chicago-bulls-coach-tom-thibodeau-quest-perfection

no no no, you see, Chicago just overloads the strong side.

So we good fdr? On our bet?

PnR defense is different than ISO defense. Noah basically plays zone. The biggest advantage of the PnR defense is that it's different from what other teams do, so during the regular season teams gets confused by the different look. However, a huge portion of the court is vulnerable to cutters with this scheme.

Did you watch the Pacers game yesterday? How do you think they scored so easily on that perfect defense?

Oh my god. No Rose, Hinrich, or Noah in that game against the Pacers yesterday, not to mention a Carlos Boozer playing in his 1st game in over a week after pulling his hamstring.

I feel embarrassed for Knick fans that this guy is one of yall.

[fdr2012]

Oh my god. No Rose, Hinrich, or Noah in that game against the Pacers yesterday, not to mention a Carlos Boozer playing in his 1st game in over a week after pulling his hamstring.

I feel embarrassed for Knick fans that this guy is one of yall.

What does that have to do with the defense? Not having those guys hasn't hurt the defense in the Hawks or the Brooklyn game. You're seriously a clueless idiot.

[Quick Kick]

FDR youre gonna lose that bet

Chicago aint going out til at least the 2nd round UNLESS Rose either plays at either half-speed or injures himself again.

If you like posting here, I wouldnt make that bet if I were you.

[21shumpshumpst]

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8915581/the-chicago-bulls-coach-tom-thibodeau-quest-perfection

no no no, you see, Chicago just overloads the strong side.

So we good fdr? On our bet?

PnR defense is different than ISO defense. Noah basically plays zone. The biggest advantage of the PnR defense is that it's different from what other teams do, so during the regular season teams gets confused by the different look. However, a huge portion of the court is vulnerable to cutters with this scheme.

Did you watch the Pacers game yesterday? How do you think they scored so easily on that perfect defense?

Oh my god. No Rose, Hinrich, or Noah in that game against the Pacers yesterday, not to mention a Carlos Boozer playing in his 1st game in over a week after pulling his hamstring.

I feel embarrassed for Knick fans that this guy is one of yall.

Why is this guy not banned yet? Btw if you guys want I can help you try to find that playoffgear you guys lost a few years ago. ROFL. #noplayoffgear

[frogfood]

I think we agreed that's OK if it got cancelled but if you wanna throw in ATL, Mil etc that sure lol.

Hawks are in the same class as Bucks/Celtics. I don't think its likely that the Bulls get the 3rd seed. I see them getting the 4th-5th seed.

Both Vogel and Calesimo will easily expose the Bulls.

Pacers or Nets vs Bulls then. It's a bet!

[fdr2012]

FDR youre gonna lose that bet

Chicago aint going out til at least the 2nd round UNLESS Rose either plays at either half-speed or injures himself again.

If you like posting here, I wouldnt make that bet if I were you.

Nope. Actually, odds are very much in my favor.

1. Bulls play worse in the playoff than they do in the regular season.

2. If you look at Shump/Rubio, I would say that the odds of Rose being effective this season aren't that big. He seems to have added a lot of weight during his time off, which is a very stupid strategy for a guy coming back from knee surgery.

3. Both Nets and Pacers have very good coaches and will dismantle the Bulls defense with dribble penetration and quick ball movement.

[ChicagoStrong]

Average out the 16 games and the Bulls allowed more points than they did in the regular season. It's that simple. Don't jump to say something is False when it clearly isn't. You're just exposing your stupidity.

Indiana scored less.
Miami scored less.
Philly scored less in 2011-12.

The only team to score more was Atlanta and they scored a whopping 86 PPG and still lost in 6, which was still below the 91.3 PPG the Bulls allowed the Regular season in 2010-11 and the 90.6 against just Indiana and Miami.


And the fact that you had to insult me says something about you.

[fdr2012]

Average out the 16 games and the Bulls allowed more points than they did in the regular season. It's that simple. Don't jump to say something is False when it clearly isn't. You're just exposing your stupidity.

Indiana scored less.
Miami scored less.
Philly scored less in 2011-12.

The only team to score more was Atlanta and they scored a whopping 86 PPG and still lost in 6, which was still below the 91.3 PPG the Bulls allowed the Regular season in 2010-11 and the 90.6 against just Indiana and Miami.


And the fact that you had to insult me says something about you.

For the last time - average out all 16 games in 2011 and that average is higher. You don't separate it into single games and cherry pick stats. You use the FULL dataset.

P.S. I apologize for the insult. I find you guys being here very annoying and I have no interest in debating this with Bulls fans since its pointless. I really wish you wouldn't flood this thread, just like Knicks fans son't flood your board.

[ChicagoStrong]

For the last time - average out all 16 games in 2011 and that average is higher. You don't separate it into single games and cherry pick stats. You use the FULL dataset.

2010-11 Regular Season: Opp PTS/G: 91.3
2010-11 Post Season: Opp PTS/G 88.3 PPG in the 16 games.

And I will be out sir, I understand that this is the Knicks board and you don't have to have a favorable opinion of any other team at all.

I don't hate the Knicks and I wish you all well. I like the passion Knicks fans display for their team and if the Bulls don't make it, I hope you all do.

Sorry for the disturbance.

[fdr2012]

For the last time - average out all 16 games in 2011 and that average is higher. You don't separate it into single games and cherry pick stats. You use the FULL dataset.

2010-11 Regular Season: Opp PTS/G: 91.3
2010-11 Post Season: Opp PTS/G 88.3 PPG in the 16 games.

And I will be out sir, I understand that this is the Knicks board and you don't have to have a favorable opinion of any other team at all.

I don't hate the Knicks and I wish you all well. I like the passion Knicks fans display for their team and if the Bulls don't make it, I hope you all do.

Sorry for the disturbance.

Again, the wrong comparison. Waste of time.

[frogfood]

Win or lose, I'll be tuning into whoever Chi plays now.

[E86]

Dumb bet to make not knowing what Rose's return is actually going to look like. While an ACL tear isn't the end of the world, and Rose is still relatively young, he has shown durability issues lately. That is to be expected, he plays like LeBron but is devoid of LeBron's physique. I want to see how he comes back, and how the chemistry will look like before I would make any call on the Bulls. If Rose's return disrupts the chemistry they can easily tumble down the standings.

[Quick Kick]

seeing Frogfood and E86s avatars back to back looks like a Street Fighter 2: Nerd Edition matchup screen.