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Re: Pau Gasol 

Post#101 » by shrink » Sun Feb 3, 2013 11:37 pm

Jajwanda wrote:Amazing. Minnesota has a huge hole at C when they decide not to extend Pekovic and they'd rather rant about leverage then getting the right piece.

Buss will pay a heavy tax no matter what because the money is even.


A. The money is not even close to even next year.

B. You want Williams AND our pick?

C. Why don't you think we'll give Pek a new deal?

D. What has more value next year? $20 mil spent on a fairly priced Williams, Ridnour, pick PLUS $10 mil spent elsewhere .. or $20 mil on Gasol?
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Re: Pau Gasol 

Post#102 » by AQuintus » Mon Feb 4, 2013 12:54 am

shrink wrote:C. Why don't you think we'll give Pek a new deal?


Because the only way that the Lakers will be able to screw over the Wolves in a Pau deal is if the Wolves are desperate for a Center.

It's not something that's even remotely likely, but it's something that (s)he'll keep pushing since it's necessary for the narrative that (s)he's pushing.
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Re: Pau Gasol 

Post#103 » by FinnTheHuman » Mon Feb 4, 2013 2:34 am

We are resigning Pek - that's the reality.
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Post#104 » by Jetset » Mon Feb 4, 2013 4:32 am

AQuintus wrote:
shrink wrote:C. Why don't you think we'll give Pek a new deal?


Because the only way that the Lakers will be able to screw over the Wolves in a Pau deal is if the Wolves are desperate for a Center.

It's not something that's even remotely likely, but it's something that (s)he'll keep pushing since it's necessary for the narrative that (s)he's pushing.


:rofl:

he's a he.
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Re: Pau Gasol 

Post#105 » by Viljanen » Mon Feb 4, 2013 8:34 am

I´m a huge fan of Pau, I´d love to have him here, but Minnesota is far, far, far from having a hole in the C. In fact, if something, Minnesota has one of the best interior games in the league with Pek+Love. They just need a good backup C and stay away of injuries next season to be an excellent basketball team. And the best of all is that Minnesota has the assets to do it (Williams, Ridnour, Stiemsma, draft pick... and even Chriss Jhonson looks like one training camp away of being able to defend without fauling and become just what this team needs).

Injuries have made people lose the perspective. This team is very good already (when healthy).
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Re: Pau Gasol 

Post#106 » by shrink » Mon Feb 4, 2013 2:35 pm

There are rumors that Glen Taylor will go over the lux next year for the right player. But it's irrational to think that this means that money doesn't matter.

The first $5 mil that Taylor exceeds the lux will cost him $12.5 million.
The next $5 mil that Taylor exceeds the lux will cost him $13.75 million.
The next $5 mil that Taylor exceeds the lux will cost him $17.5 million.
(and I haven't included the extra amount he would lose by not receiving his share of lux taxes!)

He will be judging whether spending $5 mil on a player will give him $15 mil in value, and it only gets worse the more money he spends
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Post#107 » by shrink » Mon Feb 4, 2013 2:36 pm

If the Wolves trade for Pau and have to spend $20 mil on him next year, how many of these things would Glen Taylor eliminate to not go far far over the lux?

Does Taylor let Pekovic walk? Tough to pay $20 for Gasol, then limit his productivity by bringing him off the bench.

Does Taylor decide not to use the MLE? That might mean no Gelabale, Chris Johnson, or Bjelica.

Does Taylor not re-sign Buddinger?

Does Taylor sell our pick, determining addition youth at triple the cost doesn't help our win-now direction?

Does Taylor decide to not cut an injured/unproductive player, because he still would need to add more salary for the replacement?

Does Taylor decide not to do a trade for a more talented player, simply because he doesn't want to add even more salary to Pau?

This is why we can't pretend money doesn't matter. If they decide to take on the over-priced Pau, it will be at the expense of other things later - probably many other things, with a $20 mil salary weighing down the payroll. You don't just lose what you give up in trade this year -- you pay Gasol two years and lose opportunities for next year too.
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Post#108 » by FinnTheHuman » Mon Feb 4, 2013 5:15 pm

If we want to contend, I'd go for someone who turns out to be underpaid rather than Pau who has to put at least 22/11 to be regarded as not overpaid. And if we're overpaying, please, don't overpay a big, overpay some shooters!
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Post#109 » by C.lupus » Mon Feb 4, 2013 5:57 pm

Jajwanda wrote:With the finances almost even, your lottery pick plus Williams would be a fair deal for a 20/10 C.

Maybe it would but I don't see LA trading Dwight and I don't see any other 20/10 centers on your team.
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Post#110 » by Klomp » Tue Feb 5, 2013 3:36 am

Tonight is an example of why I'd rather have Pau than Pek.

Pek's length is a glaring issue on both sides of the ball. On offense, I think it's a big reason why he misses so many bunnies. On defense, sure Pau's not a defensive stopper, but he at least has 7'1" size to contest shots both inside and on the perimeter. Pek has no chance against someone like Aldridge.
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Re: Pau Gasol 

Post#111 » by Krapinsky » Tue Feb 5, 2013 6:05 pm

shrink wrote:If the Wolves trade for Pau and have to spend $20 mil on him next year, how many of these things would Glen Taylor eliminate to not go far far over the lux?

Does Taylor let Pekovic walk? Tough to pay $20 for Gasol, then limit his productivity by bringing him off the bench.

Does Taylor decide not to use the MLE? That might mean no Gelabale, Chris Johnson, or Bjelica.

Does Taylor not re-sign Buddinger?

Does Taylor sell our pick, determining addition youth at triple the cost doesn't help our win-now direction?

Does Taylor decide to not cut an injured/unproductive player, because he still would need to add more salary for the replacement?

Does Taylor decide not to do a trade for a more talented player, simply because he doesn't want to add even more salary to Pau?

This is why we can't pretend money doesn't matter. If they decide to take on the over-priced Pau, it will be at the expense of other things later - probably many other things, with a $20 mil salary weighing down the payroll. You don't just lose what you give up in trade this year -- you pay Gasol two years and lose opportunities for next year too.


I think you're putting too much emphasis on the one year of Pau's deal and not enough on the four years of what a Pek extension would mean. Pau's one year will be up when we have to extend Rubio and Cunningham and AK, Pek's won't be. Can we afford $12M-$13M of Pek in 2014-2015? Or would we be better off with Pau for $8M?

Moreover, If Pek + Williams + Luke go out in a Pau deal then in offseason trade would be more or less salary neutral for 2013-2014. I'm happily putting Williams in there, because i expect by the end of the year he will no longer have positive trade value (see Flynn, Johnson) for how much he'll make.
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Post#112 » by NewWolvesOrder » Tue Feb 5, 2013 6:36 pm

Klomp wrote:Tonight is an example of why I'd rather have Pau than Pek.

Pek's length is a glaring issue on both sides of the ball. On offense, I think it's a big reason why he misses so many bunnies. On defense, sure Pau's not a defensive stopper, but he at least has 7'1" size to contest shots both inside and on the perimeter. Pek has no chance against someone like Aldridge.


Pek has done solid job on Aldridge before. LMA got hot form outside the paint early when Williams was on him and proceeded to score on both Pek and Cunningham later. The previous game DC kept him to 7-20 shooting so it shows that length is not that important here. So saying that Pek has no chance against Aldridge reeks of agenda form you.
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Post#113 » by FinnTheHuman » Tue Feb 5, 2013 7:29 pm

Aldridge has a release so high it's insane, like Benz said, it can't be blocked or decently contested. Pek's short arms were a problem, but not in the Aldridge situation, but you gotta admit it was one of the worst performances from him this season, it was not the usual Pek.
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Post#114 » by Narf » Tue Feb 5, 2013 7:33 pm

http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400278155

In what world does Pau Gasol shut down LMA?
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Post#115 » by NewWolvesOrder » Tue Feb 5, 2013 7:38 pm

FinnTheHuman wrote:Aldridge has a release so high it's insane, like Benz said, it can't be blocked or decently contested. Pek's short arms were a problem, but not in the Aldridge situation, but you gotta admit it was one of the worst performances from him this season, it was not the usual Pek.


Pekovic guarded him on a few plays at the end of the game, maybe got switched onto him 1 or 2 times earlier. Williams and to lesser extent Cunningham were responsible for guarding LMA this game.
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Re: Pau Gasol 

Post#116 » by FinnTheHuman » Tue Feb 5, 2013 7:53 pm

Narf wrote:http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400278155

In what world does Pau Gasol shut down LMA?


In a world where Klomp always underrates Gasol and overrates Pek. :D
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Re: Pau Gasol 

Post#117 » by Klomp » Tue Feb 5, 2013 8:00 pm

Narf wrote:http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400278155

In what world does Pau Gasol shut down LMA?

Where did I say that?
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Re: Pau Gasol 

Post#118 » by Krapinsky » Tue Feb 5, 2013 9:33 pm

Klomp wrote:
Narf wrote:http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400278155

In what world does Pau Gasol shut down LMA?

Where did I say that?


Nevertheless, pretty sure Dwight matches up with LA when the Lakers play Portland.
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Post#119 » by The J Rocka » Wed Feb 6, 2013 3:06 am

Looks like Pau has planter fascia strain. Kahn must've been getting real close.
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Post#120 » by C.lupus » Wed Feb 6, 2013 4:20 am

Sounds like it might actually be a tear.

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