Vescey: Raps Trying To Get "Pure" PG In Bargs Package
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Josh Smith or die tryin'
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Raps grab Jose in free agency
To all our soldiers serving overseas, be safe and come home soon
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Inevitable wrote:Josh Smith or die tryin'
This, I wasn't huge on acquiring J-smoove but since we picked up Rudy we might as well go all in.

Props TZ!
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Are you guys high? How has this gone 3 pages? Is that the guy's real twitter? A member of the media writes like that?! Really?
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StevieWonderMic wrote:Are you guys high? How has this gone 3 pages? Is that the guy's real twitter? A member of the media writes like that?! Really?
He's followed by multiple big names in the industry...The reason for the writing style is you can
only put so many characters in a tweet which forces people to be creative to get their message
across.
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Waylon Mercy wrote:StevieWonderMic wrote:Are you guys high? How has this gone 3 pages? Is that the guy's real twitter? A member of the media writes like that?! Really?
He's followed by multiple big names in the industry...The reason for the writing style is you can
only put so many characters in a tweet which forces people to be creative to get their message
across.
Lol I googled. Kk sorry, carry on.
Shouldnt he have a verified account tho?
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StevieWonderMic wrote:Waylon Mercy wrote:StevieWonderMic wrote:Are you guys high? How has this gone 3 pages? Is that the guy's real twitter? A member of the media writes like that?! Really?
He's followed by multiple big names in the industry...The reason for the writing style is you can
only put so many characters in a tweet which forces people to be creative to get their message
across.
Lol I googled. Kk sorry, carry on.
Shouldnt he have a verified account tho?
He's relatively new to Twitter but if it makes you feel better he's followed by guys like Flip Saunders,
Isiah Thomas, Kevin Pritchard, Mark Jackson, Greg Anthony, Chad Ford, Mike Tirico,
Steve Aschburnner, Jamal Crawford, The NBPA, etc
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Strengths and weakness on Derrick Williams:
Strengths
- Outside Shooting: For his height, Derrick Williams might be one of the best shooters at his position, shooting 56.8% from the three point line on 74 attempts. He is also top six nationally in the two advanced shooting metrics, posting an eFG% of 65.0% (6th nationally) and a TS% of 69.0% (4th nationally). In terms of his form, Williams has a very smooth stroke that is easy to repeat, no matter if he is catching and shooting or taking a shot off of the dribble. He takes off and lands in the same area, and his footwork is very good.
- Isolation Scoring: According to Synergy Sports Technology, Derrick Williams is in the 96th percentile in terms of points per possessions in isolation situations, scoring about 1.130 per possession. Part of the reason Williams is so successful when he isolates his man is because he is quicker than most power forwards, but his defender can't play off of him because of his shooting ability. The threat of Williams taking and making an outside jumper forces defenders to close the gap and not give Williams any space. Because of this, Williams is able to use his speed to his advantage and take the basketball to the rim. Williams is also an above average ball handler and this lets him get to the rim with ease.
- Post Scoring: Once again, according to Synergy Sports Technology, Williams is in the 92nd percentile in terms of PPP in post-up situations, scoring 1.065 points per possession on 50% shooting. Williams does two things very well on the block. He establishes great position without the basketball and once he makes the catch he is able to quickly go up with it before the double team can get to him or before his defender can take advantage of Williams' lack of size.
Weaknesses
- Turnovers: The biggest problem that I see with Williams on the offensive end is his tendency to turn it over in post up and isolation situations. Williams turns the ball over on 16% of halfcourt possessions. Where Williams runs into problems is when the defense collapses on him. Once that happens, Williams has a tendency to hold onto the basketball too long, and by the time he tries to get a pass away, there are three defenders on him.
- Defensive Rebounding: Where Williams lack of size really hurts him is on the defensive glass. In addition to getting caught watching the basketball and not holding his box out once in a while, Williams tends to get bullied around when the ball is in the air. The biggest example of that is when Williams gives up his inside position. Too many times, Williams gives up his position and lets his man get inside of him to the point it looks like he is the one trying to grab the offensive rebound. Add this lack of size to the fact that he doesn't really hold his box-outs and that means he isn't going to be grabbing as many rebounds as he should.
From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz2K6yIFXhH
http://www.draftexpress.com
Not sure if he fits well with our core.
Strengths
- Outside Shooting: For his height, Derrick Williams might be one of the best shooters at his position, shooting 56.8% from the three point line on 74 attempts. He is also top six nationally in the two advanced shooting metrics, posting an eFG% of 65.0% (6th nationally) and a TS% of 69.0% (4th nationally). In terms of his form, Williams has a very smooth stroke that is easy to repeat, no matter if he is catching and shooting or taking a shot off of the dribble. He takes off and lands in the same area, and his footwork is very good.
- Isolation Scoring: According to Synergy Sports Technology, Derrick Williams is in the 96th percentile in terms of points per possessions in isolation situations, scoring about 1.130 per possession. Part of the reason Williams is so successful when he isolates his man is because he is quicker than most power forwards, but his defender can't play off of him because of his shooting ability. The threat of Williams taking and making an outside jumper forces defenders to close the gap and not give Williams any space. Because of this, Williams is able to use his speed to his advantage and take the basketball to the rim. Williams is also an above average ball handler and this lets him get to the rim with ease.
- Post Scoring: Once again, according to Synergy Sports Technology, Williams is in the 92nd percentile in terms of PPP in post-up situations, scoring 1.065 points per possession on 50% shooting. Williams does two things very well on the block. He establishes great position without the basketball and once he makes the catch he is able to quickly go up with it before the double team can get to him or before his defender can take advantage of Williams' lack of size.
Weaknesses
- Turnovers: The biggest problem that I see with Williams on the offensive end is his tendency to turn it over in post up and isolation situations. Williams turns the ball over on 16% of halfcourt possessions. Where Williams runs into problems is when the defense collapses on him. Once that happens, Williams has a tendency to hold onto the basketball too long, and by the time he tries to get a pass away, there are three defenders on him.
- Defensive Rebounding: Where Williams lack of size really hurts him is on the defensive glass. In addition to getting caught watching the basketball and not holding his box out once in a while, Williams tends to get bullied around when the ball is in the air. The biggest example of that is when Williams gives up his inside position. Too many times, Williams gives up his position and lets his man get inside of him to the point it looks like he is the one trying to grab the offensive rebound. Add this lack of size to the fact that he doesn't really hold his box-outs and that means he isn't going to be grabbing as many rebounds as he should.
From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz2K6yIFXhH
http://www.draftexpress.com
Not sure if he fits well with our core.
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Packaging bargnani for a backup pg is pretty useless imho, it would be better to find a scoring/reboung/hustling big man in place of bargnani. As of right now the best BC can do is to find an available pg from the euroleague and place him as a backup. You can't trade bargnani for cheap, if so it'd be better to stick with him until his trade value goes higher.
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I'd be ecstatic if we could turn Bargnani into Williams and Ridnour. Both players fill a need off the bench and fit our team's style of play.
Bargnani, Anderson for Williams, Ridnour, Stiemsma.
Khan might be crazy enough to do it.
Bargnani, Anderson for Williams, Ridnour, Stiemsma.
Khan might be crazy enough to do it.
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RudySwag wrote:Tross Val and Derozan for Calderon
get er done BC
throw andre drummond in on this one and i like it
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Not sure if this Viper is legit or not, but I'd take D-Will/Ridnour in a second.

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Scott Machado. Bring him home?

Credit to Turbozone
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If this is true Bargs' value around the league must be pretty low.
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Ridnour sounds good for the raptors, but I dont see the wolves giving up Pekovic or Williams.
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Waylon Mercy wrote:Peter Vecsey @PeterVecsey1
Spoke 2 guy unaffiliated w Raptors but has inside knowledge of management mindset ...
What the hell does that even mean? Mindset?
Of course BC is trying to deal Bargs. Of course we're looking for a back-up pass-first point. Vecsey's just talking to himself again and calling it a rumour.
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So Raps are looking for a bench for Bargnani, good.
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Oh man, PLEASE get Derrick Williams. The Raptors would be the most athletic team in the league by far!
And it's not surprising that the Wolves are looking to shed one of Ridnour or Barea. With Alexey Shved demonstrating his value going forward as a secondary distributor to Rubio, that Wolves guard rotation is surprisingly crowded. They are starved for wings in general, though, with all their unfortunate injuries. Maybe Anderson or Fields is going back along with Bargnani?
And it's not surprising that the Wolves are looking to shed one of Ridnour or Barea. With Alexey Shved demonstrating his value going forward as a secondary distributor to Rubio, that Wolves guard rotation is surprisingly crowded. They are starved for wings in general, though, with all their unfortunate injuries. Maybe Anderson or Fields is going back along with Bargnani?
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Reignman wrote:If this is true Bargs' value around the league must be pretty low.
His value is probably the lowest its ever been with consistent poor play since last year's 13 game stretch and his injury. I think they have a trade value indicator in the Raps front office and when it bottoms out an alarm goes off and BC says"Value at rock bottom? Time to start working the phones!!"















