The Trade Thread

[HornetJail]

Hell no. Bismack is turning a corner, he's untouchable. Sessions is more than solid for us, he's a good contract. DMC is a complete mess, do not want (anymore). Evans is looking like a bust to me.

DMC is a 20/10 mess. He can be as much of a mess as he wants to be and I'll be thrilled with that production. I'm not one to say "trade Biz" but if we're trading him along with our sixth man for DMC alone, there is no way I'm saying no to that. That's insane. Screw fit, Tyreke is arguably the worst fit in the entire league on this roster, but I'd take it for the sheer value that he holds. We'd trade him away almost instantly, but we'd get something substantial. Trading Biz, Sessions, and Turtle for DMC and Tyreke would be the heist of a decade. I highly doubt SAC does that.

Sheeit, you want to shortchange the rebuild for empty stats and inefficient a-holes? No thanks.

Shortchange the rebuild by adding someone who will be a top 3 center in the league within two years (much better than Biz will ever be, come on let's be honest) and a player with plenty of value we could easily flip for a great pick? That isn't shortchanging, that's taking it to a whole new level. We'd be keeping our picks and all of our key guys to upgrade from Bismack to Demarcus Cousins and either Evans or a nice pick.

Still the whole trade is ridiculously skewed in our direction. Barely even worth talking about.

[Liver_Pooty]

This rebuild can't last much longer. After this draft if everything falls in place we will have 4 top 10 picks with a top 14 in Portlands pick with 18 mill+ in cap room since Cho came. Im not a rocket scientist, but how much more of a roster overhaul/rebuild do you guys want?

[catch20two]

This rebuild can't last much longer. After this draft if everything falls in place we will have 4 top 10 picks with a top 14 in Portlands pick with 18 mill+ in cap room since Cho came. Im not a rocket scientist, but how much more of a roster overhaul/rebuild do you guys want?

Now we're talking. I never understood this tank until you draft the next Jordan/LeBron/Durant strategy as if it's that easy.

[amcoolio]

The rebuild will last until the 2014 draft. Parker/Wiggins are the best prospects since Durant/Oden. I will be pissed if we decide to go for it next year, finish with the 8th worse record, and miss out because we decided to go for it, which will inevitably happen when we go for it too soon.

[Eoghan]

Shortchange the rebuild by adding someone who will be a top 3 center in the league within two years (much better than Biz will ever be, come on let's be honest) yeah, if he wants to be and that's a big if. and a player with plenty of value we could easily flip for a great pick? If that was true then Sacto would have traded him already That isn't shortchanging, that's taking it to a whole new level. We'd be keeping our picks and all of our key guys to upgrade from Bismack to Demarcus Cousins and either Evans or a nice pick.

Still the whole trade is ridiculously skewed in our direction. Barely even worth talking about.

[Roll Tide 09]

I HATE how people say "missed out on Davis", MKG has a ceiling 10x's higher than Davis and to be honest, considering Davis is on a team that even though they are bad, most of the roster actually belongs in the NBA, he has been VERY unimpressive, in fact, I bet he wouldn't even average 11pts 7reb on this team!

You're silly

Haha

[Roll Tide 09]

Our front office needs to wake up and realize that these so called "franchise players" in the 2014 draft may all fall short, it's time to go with the sure thing, and that "sure thing(s)" is already an established young player, we need to model like the Detroit Pistons of 2004 (I hate that team considering I was a die hard Laker fan), you don't need franchise players to win a title, you need players that know how to play the game, know their position(s), and a team that can "mesh". To be honest, this whole "tank" that appears is going to be unsuccessful, is a HUGE slap in the face to Walker, MKG, and Biyombo, the three guys that actually work themselves to death, find pieces so they can compete, all three of these players are winners!!!!!

[Diop]

its going to be tough to remain as the worst team 3 years in a row.

Its typical lolcat luck to tank for the crapper drafts, but I think we will miss out on the Wiggins stakes.

[amcoolio]

If we change to the Hornets, draft Noel, don't add any FA's or trades, then hopefully fans are satisfied enough despite us being a bottom 3 team again. Then, win that MF'n lottery, and go to town.

As for Roll Tide, yes, they are the real deal. Parker and Wiggins are out of this world talents and are sure things to the nth degree.

Wiggins or Parker would be franchise players that would excellently support Kemba, MKG, and Noel. We'd have a sick, dangerous team that would only get better with the nice cap space and extra possible lottery picks we could add.

[Liver_Pooty]

If we change to the Hornets, draft Noel, don't add any FA's or trades, then hopefully fans are satisfied enough despite us being a bottom 3 team again. Then, win that MF'n lottery, and go to town.

As for Roll Tide, yes, they are the real deal. Parker and Wiggins are out of this world talents and are sure things to the nth degree.

Wiggins or Parker would be franchise players that would excellently support Kemba, MKG, and Noel. We'd have a sick, dangerous team that would only get better with the nice cap space and extra possible lottery picks we could add.

Unless we luck up and land a top 2 pick next year as the 7th or 8th worst team in the league we won't land Wiggins.

[SWedd523]

Need to stop rebuilding? Folks. We're on the second year of the rebuild. I know nobody has an attention span longer than 15 seco

[KembaWalker]

its funny how both of our teams are hopeless in opposite ways

Bobcats need that 1 ridiculously good talent and a couple supporting pieces that would be easy to get when the time comes

Panthers have that 1 ridicously good piece in Newton but have holes at almost every other position

sad

[catch20two]

Parker and Wiggins are out of this world talents and are sure things to the nth degree.

That's the same thing they said about Harrison Barnes in 2010.

[JMAC3]

Parker and Wiggins are out of this world talents and are sure things to the nth degree.

That's the same thing they said about Harrison Barnes in 2010.

And Shabazz Muhammad.

[Bassman]

"The Tank" is a myth. I have no doubt the front office abandoned ship the year they traded away Jax and Crash, knowing we were in rebuilding mode. There's no doubt that they knew this season would be tough, given the philosophy that the youngsters get majority minutes to help their development. However, nobody in this organization is committed to being pure crap this year or next.

From MJ's perspective he is trying to establish a new approach and direction here. We can argue if Dunlap was the right coach to do this (I think not) but the idea was to tear out the old team and rebuild from the ground up. Our best chance to accelerate that was in last year's lottery, but we were screwed (company-owned team gets the amazing #1 pick...dirty). Still, you cannot hope to build everything from the draft. No matter our position, nothing assures us of drafting a star.

I hope Cho makes one significant trade before the deadline to get a starting big man or SG here. One guy won't be enough, but couple a good trade with some luck in this year's draft plus a significant free-agent signing, and we could see a big jump next year. As long as we don't trade for, or FA sign, an over-the-hill BS player, I am ready to do that and ake a big jump. This team needs to get fans in the seats. If they make those moves, coupled with the name change (hopefully in time for next season), the Hornets would bust onto the NBA as a team to be reckoned with. 2014 will take care of itself; these players & coaches aren't gonna lay in the ditch in hopes of getting the lucky lotto ball. Fans don't want that either.

[JMAC3]

I understand there are two extremes going on right now. Either tank for eternity or contend now. We need to find the happy middle, so where is that?

Right now we have 5 young players, who have shown potential to be Rotation players (Kemba, MKG, Biz, JT, Mullens). We clearly have our pick which is looking like a top 3 pick and possibly looking at a mid first from Portland. So that would be 7 players who would potentially be in our rotation. Then we will get a pick in 2014 and possibly Detroits pick that year. That would give us 9 young players. Thats a lot of players who are young and have potential to turn into stars in this league.

I am on the side that has a hard time seeing us getting a top 3 pick again in the 2014 draft class just based on our young players and that's even before we bring in players through free agency. I understand everybody wants Wiggins, but so do about 10 other teams in the NBA and are going to be starting a rebuild in order to grab him including Orlando and Phoenix. My point is when we suck yet again and do not get Wiggins then where do we go..... do we continue to tank?

[MasterIchiro]

Even when OKC lucked out on Durant they had to wait several years after landing their superstar. I just don't think ownership can afford an empty arena for all the rebuild years plus however long it takes the team to gel after netting a superstar through the draft. So if you're out there rooting for the Wiggins tank I think you're on a different page than ownership who have to deal with the reality of money in, money out. Right now this team is bleeding red on the earnings spreadsheet.

I hope to see trades in 2013 and 2014. Diop + POR 2013, Gordon + POR 2014 next year. Henderson + Biz or Henderson + Mullens.

Add those pieces to Kemba, MKG + our 2013 pick, our 2014 pick and the DET pick plus a high impact free agent in 2013 and/or 2014 and we'll be the best young team in the NBA outside of OKC.

[JMAC3]

I am personally on the train that we need to sign a big man in free agency( Al Jefferson, Paul Millsap, Bynum, Josh Smith, Pekovic or somebody). Draft the best player available in the draft, most likely a big or SG. Either trade the portland pick for a solid big or draft another guy with potential. Then start winning, either make the playoffs and lose our pick to Chicago or have a decent pick around 10th in the 2014 draft, which will still be a contributor or guy with ton of potential.

I know I know I know this team is a treadmill team...... No! No! No!.... this is not a treadmill team, which is the most overused term on this board. A treadmill team is a team like Nets, Raptors, old Hawks, or Memphis was. We would be in the mold of the Pacers, but better. We would have a young enough core without bad contracts that would continue to improve year after year.

Next Years roster...
Kemba- Sessions
McLemore- BG
MKG- JT
Biz- Mully- Plumlee
Jefferson- Haywood

This team would compete for the playoffs in the East, but still young enough to improve into the future.

Okay so we miss the playoffs and have a pick in the 8-12 range. Then we might have the Detroit pick in that same range. So we could either draft two more players( not ideal) combine the picks to try to get a top 5 pick, or deal the picks for a veteran type player or a previous draft pick. Also, Ben Gordon would be expiring so we could bring in yet another Jefferson esq player. Then for sure make the playoffs the following season.

This team will most likely have 7-8 lottery picks on it.... If we cant win with those guys and some good free agent signings... then the NBA is pointless.

[amcoolio]

With Dunlap and drafting Noel we absolutely would be a bottom 3 or 4 team again next year. Its too bad fans are too impatient and want everything now rather than waiting one more year for what is very obviously the best draft since 2003. Wiggins will go to Orlando or Dallas and become the next big thing and Parker will be a better Carmelo Anthony which is what this team needs desperately and people here will whine even more because we tried to win now and only finished with the 9th worst record and we are stuck in purgatory yet again.

Even if we miss out on Wiggins or Parker, 2014 is still top heavy with A prospects beyond those two and you can start going for it that year regardless.

[JMAC3]

With Dunlap and drafting Noel we absolutely would be a bottom 3 or 4 team again next year. Its too bad fans are too impatient and want everything now rather than waiting one more year for what is very obviously the best draft since 2003. Wiggins will go to Orlando or Dallas and become the next big thing and Parker will be a better Carmelo Anthony which is what this team needs desperately and people here will whine even more because we tried to win now and only finished with the 9th worst record and we are stuck in purgatory yet again.

Even if we miss out on Wiggins or Parker, 2014 is still top heavy with A prospects beyond those two and you can start going for it that year regardless.

Parker is getting severely overrated if you ask me. He is living off his reputation for winning state championships and being mormon more then what people think he will be in the NBA. From what I have seen he seems a bit slow for the Wing in the NBA, which will prevent him from being a superstar.

Wiggins looks all shinny now, but wait until you see him play a year in College, people will begin to find flaws with his game just like we did with Kevin Durant, Barnes, Shabazz... All those guys were getting big hype when they went to college and all three were doubted by the draft time. Durant had his doubters because of his size and strength. Barnes didnt have the killer instict. Shabazz is a selfish player..... The same will happen with Wiggins. There are no guarantees in the draft when looking at a kid in Highschool.

Its the same every year.... the current class is weak and next years is the best in the last decade. I think I have heard this for 3 straight years.