Nash / Kobe facilitating duo may dominate league.

GeneralNash · Post #1 » by **GeneralNash** » Wed Feb 6, 2013 7:04 pm

There are no accidents. We have not come here by chance. I do not believe in chance. When I see Nash and Kobe, two floor generals, two captains. I do not see coincidence, I see providence. I see purpose.

Winning the last 6 of 7 games it has become clear that when Nash and Kobe are facilitating this team wins. But it is not just about facilitating it is about creating your own offense, and Nash is starting to score easily on his own now with the rust gone from his system.

Kobe and Nash probably have the highest bball iq in the game. When you combine these two minds that is hard for an opposing team to stop.

Plus with Nash's high efficiency from the field and Kobe raising his efficiency as of late we are starting to see this team win consistently. We will not win every game but we will win most games from here on out especially once we get the bigs back.

We are going to start seeing Nash and Kobe overwhelm teams / dominate league.

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Post #2 » by **TyCobb** » Wed Feb 6, 2013 7:07 pm

Offensively, it is a joy to watch and I do agree with D'Antoni that it could prolong each of their careers if they share the workload. Just need to surround them with the right pieces.

eckoner · Post #3 » by **eckoner** » Wed Feb 6, 2013 7:12 pm

Nice Soliloquy

leeprettyp · Post #4 » by **leeprettyp** » Wed Feb 6, 2013 7:24 pm

Would be even better if we could keep both their mins at no more than 35mpg this season

therobg125 · Post #5 » by **therobg125** » Wed Feb 6, 2013 7:42 pm

dominate the league? you kidding me? lebron and wade/westbrick and durant/d rose and whomever/ paul and blake...hell even granger and george...they can dominate.....nash and kobe...well they struggle to beat teams like the raptors....we are the laughing stock of the nba right now....what does nash do that's soo dominant right now? give the ball to kobe when he's shooting like sh*t...just soo kobe is happy....does he play d? no.....ramon had a better impact on last yrs lakers, than nash does with this yrs....and kobe....kobe can't shoot...yet he's getting the ball and chucking up shots every time ( mind you, that's kobe's game, esp when noone else wants the ball...but doesn't mean he's dominant when he goes 4-24 every night)....the only thing i see coming from nash and kobe back court is nash giving the ball to kobe every single possesion like kobe's some kind of baby...and kobe chuckin bs up just because he has free reign...if that's dominance, then excuse me while i laugh in your face....

therobg125 · Post #6 » by **therobg125** » Wed Feb 6, 2013 7:45 pm

and to top it off...neither of them are any kind of threat to guard anyone.... you know why...because nash is not athletic and simply can't defend...and kobe's lost a step and won't defend....i mean how many times are you going to let someone shoot just because u dont respect their game...that sends a bad message to the entire team and gets us out of position on d....soo if letting some bum score 30 on u because ur ego wont allow u to play d...and nash is to ordinary to play even average d, then where's the dominance at?

LApwnd · Post #7 » by **LApwnd** » Wed Feb 6, 2013 7:47 pm

it never hurts to have more then 1 guy brake down a defense from the perimiter.......its great when I see Kobe drives and kicks it to Nash and then Nash will then drive again creating more chaos....much better then settling for 3's, this is why I wish Meeks wasn't so 1 dimensional and/or Blake wasn't so scared of the paint. Last nites 4qtr gave me a glimps of what Blake SHOULD be doing and that is attack the paint, dont just keep floating around the perimiter.

stunnar0b · Post #8 » by **stunnar0b** » Wed Feb 6, 2013 8:03 pm

For sure... it just can't be Nash facilitates and Kobe scores, they both have to score and get people easy shots. With that defense doesnt know what the hell to do. also when kobe starts the offense then moves the ball to the weakside to Nash, Nash at that point has so many options is so smart that he'll either score for himself or find the open man. its ashamed that half the season in, this team(Kobe) finally figured it out.

leeprettyp · Post #9 » by **leeprettyp** » Wed Feb 6, 2013 8:13 pm

therobg125 wrote:dominate the league? you kidding me? lebron and wade/westbrick and durant/d rose and whomever/ paul and blake...hell even granger and george...they can dominate.....nash and kobe...well they struggle to beat teams like the raptors....we are the laughing stock of the nba right now....what does nash do that's soo dominant right now? give the ball to kobe when he's shooting like sh*t...just soo kobe is happy....does he play d? no.....ramon had a better impact on last yrs lakers, than nash does with this yrs....and kobe....kobe can't shoot...yet he's getting the ball and chucking up shots every time ( mind you, that's kobe's game, esp when noone else wants the ball...but doesn't mean he's dominant when he goes 4-24 every night)....the only thing i see coming from nash and kobe back court is nash giving the ball to kobe every single possesion like kobe's some kind of baby...and kobe chuckin bs up just because he has free reign...if that's dominance, then excuse me while i laugh in your face....

The guy almost plays 40mpg and is hurt but has suited up EVERY GAME this season. The person who is laughing is REAL LAKER FANS at you. You dont think the guy could be tired from carrying this team on his back this season regardless of all the drama? Isnt like the guy is in his 10th season now. And btw with all these injuries and players in an out of the lineup he is the only other wing player not named Nash that can create his own shot. Kobe missed alot of makeable shots for him in the 1st 3 quarters. But was money with the game in the line in the 4th quarter on both ends (helping off of Wallace to be able to prevent Dwill from taking advantage of Nash, got key steals and was huge on the boards) . That Laker team was undermanned and played the last 4 minutes with no legit BIG MEN and won. BTW I agree with GeneralNash on this point both of these guys are figuring out how to play together to benefit the team. Its a HUGE BENEFIT to have 2 playmakers on the roster. Kobe's overall floor game was great its more to basketball then putting the ball just in the basket. If the jumper is off you have to find other ways to impact the game. And having and allowing Nash to make key plays in the 4th quarter means alot for this team

stunnar0b · Post #10 » by **stunnar0b** » Wed Feb 6, 2013 8:26 pm

leeprettyp wrote: its more to basketball then putting the ball just in the basket. If the jumper is off you have to find other ways to impact the game. And having and allowing Nash to make key plays in the 4th quarter means alot for this team

That's what Im sayin

leeprettyp · Post #11 » by **leeprettyp** » Wed Feb 6, 2013 8:50 pm

stunnar0b wrote:
leeprettyp wrote: its more to basketball then putting the ball just in the basket. If the jumper is off you have to find other ways to impact the game. And having and allowing Nash to make key plays in the 4th quarter means alot for this team

That's what Im sayin

We gotta remember this team core players havent played many games together and now we've found out we have a diamond in the rough in Earl Clark. Nash missed over 20 games at the start of the season

albasuna · Post #12 » by **albasuna** » Wed Feb 6, 2013 9:07 pm

therobg125 wrote:dominate the league? you kidding me? lebron and wade/westbrick and durant/d rose and whomever/ paul and blake...hell even granger and george...they can dominate.....nash and kobe...well they struggle to beat teams like the raptors....we are the laughing stock of the nba right now....what does nash do that's soo dominant right now? give the ball to kobe when he's shooting like sh*t...just soo kobe is happy....does he play d? no.....ramon had a better impact on last yrs lakers, than nash does with this yrs....and kobe....kobe can't shoot...yet he's getting the ball and chucking up shots every time ( mind you, that's kobe's game, esp when noone else wants the ball...but doesn't mean he's dominant when he goes 4-24 every night)....the only thing i see coming from nash and kobe back court is nash giving the ball to kobe every single possesion like kobe's some kind of baby...and kobe chuckin bs up just because he has free reign...if that's dominance, then excuse me while i laugh in your face....

The Lakers as of right now are not the same ones we seen lose to the Raptors and Kings. You could say they lost to Phoenix with the new styled Lakers but I believe that was just an outlier breakdown. When they were losing to the likes of Toronto and Sacremento they were truly horrible. That isn't the case now, the way they are playing now is that of a playoff team.

AcecardZ · Post #13 » by **AcecardZ** » Wed Feb 6, 2013 10:04 pm

@Alba

The Lakers are playing like a playoff team now and it's fun but even with our much improved play of late I'm not sure we can overcome the injuries and the massive hole we dug for ourselves.

I'd love to see what our team could do with a healthy Pau and Dwight in the lineup every night.

albasuna · Post #14 » by **albasuna** » Wed Feb 6, 2013 10:59 pm

AcecardZ wrote:@Alba

The Lakers are playing like a playoff team now and it's fun but even with our much improved play of late I'm not sure we can overcome the injuries and the massive hole we dug for ourselves.

I'd love to see what our team could do with a healthy Pau and Dwight in the lineup every night.

The beauty of having an all-star team is that when one goes down, you still have plenty to go around. As for a fully healthy team maybe next year :/

therobg125 · Post #15 » by **therobg125** » Thu Feb 7, 2013 1:18 am

look don't get mad at me...they're playing well...u never said anything about playing well and right now....ur saying they can dominate a league...and u made my point...someone who is tired and can barely last 35 mins....and someone who broke their leg and was out for 6 weeks....and who are being passive and shooting at a high rate, yet are missing alot of shots....how is that dominating.....yeah kobe and nash are playing well ...and they are playing alot better than they were earlier on...and yes they can be formidable .... but dominate?! sorry if i think of young kobe and shaq or jordan and pippen, magic and kareem when u say the words dominate...but players who are barely on the court and have to limit their mins and are chucking....and not playing any def ...to me that's not dominating...yes they are more consistent and are meshing better...but im sorry....dominant they are not... and you can laugh at me all u want....but when u constantly give up 20 , 18 ,13 point leads in the fourth....that's not dominating....but i mean to each their own...if you think we are being dominant and nash and kobe are being dominant (which in my mind recognizes both ends of the court) then by all means you are entitled...but i don't buy into fools gold....and just because i dont agree that kobe and nash at this point are dominant doesn't mean im not a true lakers fan...sooo dont assume.....

GeneralNash · Post #16 » by **GeneralNash** » Thu Feb 7, 2013 1:50 am

therobg125 wrote:look don't get mad at me...they're playing well...u never said anything about playing well and right now....ur saying they can dominate a league...and u made my point...someone who is tired and can barely last 35 mins....and someone who broke their leg and was out for 6 weeks....and who are being passive and shooting at a high rate, yet are missing alot of shots....how is that dominating.....yeah kobe and nash are playing well ...and they are playing alot better than they were earlier on...and yes they can be formidable .... but dominate?! sorry if i think of young kobe and shaq or jordan and pippen, magic and kareem when u say the words dominate...but players who are barely on the court and have to limit their mins and are chucking....and not playing any def ...to me that's not dominating...yes they are more consistent and are meshing better...but im sorry....dominant they are not... and you can laugh at me all u want....but when u constantly give up 20 , 18 ,13 point leads in the fourth....that's not dominating....but i mean to each their own...if you think we are being dominant and nash and kobe are being dominant (which in my mind recognizes both ends of the court) then by all means you are entitled...but i don't buy into fools gold....and just because i dont agree that kobe and nash at this point are dominant doesn't mean im not a true lakers fan...sooo dont assume.....

Don't matter. When you have two guys that can give a team around 40 points and 15-20 assists combined on some nights that is dominating. That is like 70-80 points between two people if you count their assists.

albasuna · Post #17 » by **albasuna** » Thu Feb 7, 2013 2:35 am

You are right they aren't exactly dominating to an 80% win clip. I'll just go out and say they are the best backcourt in the NBA.

*speaking of guards it's funny that the recent success the Lakers are having is still based upon guard play not center/post up oriented play. Everyone thought we should be playing off the big men, but the Lakers are actually winning off of Kobe and Nash.

Sedale Threatt · Post #18 » by **Sedale Threatt** » Thu Feb 7, 2013 3:25 am

I wish I could see the world through rose colored glasses. It seems awesome.

Dr Aki · Post #19 » by **Dr Aki** » Thu Feb 7, 2013 3:50 am

well theyre going to have to be dominating now

earl clark/jamison/sacre/MWP

behold! our 3 big man rotation! and MWP!

leeprettyp · Post #20 » by **leeprettyp** » Thu Feb 7, 2013 12:26 pm

therobg125 wrote:look don't get mad at me...they're playing well...u never said anything about playing well and right now....ur saying they can dominate a league...and u made my point...someone who is tired and can barely last 35 mins....and someone who broke their leg and was out for 6 weeks....and who are being passive and shooting at a high rate, yet are missing alot of shots....how is that dominating.....yeah kobe and nash are playing well ...and they are playing alot better than they were earlier on...and yes they can be formidable .... but dominate?! sorry if i think of young kobe and shaq or jordan and pippen, magic and kareem when u say the words dominate...but players who are barely on the court and have to limit their mins and are chucking....and not playing any def ...to me that's not dominating...yes they are more consistent and are meshing better...but im sorry....dominant they are not... and you can laugh at me all u want...
.but when u constantly give up 20 , 18 ,13 point leads in the fourth
....that's not dominating....but i mean to each their own...if you think we are being dominant and nash and kobe are being dominant (which in my mind recognizes both ends of the court) then by all means you are entitled...but i don't buy into fools gold....and just because i dont agree that kobe and nash at this point are dominant doesn't mean im not a true lakers fan...sooo dont assume.....

When ur constantly giving up double digit leads that a sign that the players are the court are tired. That falls on the coach and his staff more than the players IMO. Look I get what your trying to say but a lot of your points I feel are off base. I just feel Kobe and Nash are still trying to figure each other out but there's been examples this season where we can see spots of dominate basketball together that these 2 can still play even at this stage of their careers. I'm thinking New York Knick Christmas day game, the last Thunder home game and this past Brooklyn Net games. Having 2 GREAT facilitator in your backcourt is a huge advantage but lets never forget and get carried away Kobe is a SCORER. I believe people overlook that a SG does what SHOOT THE BALL. After 17 years I would think people would have an idea of what the guy is made of. And lets not forget the injury bug has stunted our growth as a whole. But lets see how they look tonight against the Celtics. Just sucks were not gonna have any big men and I'm probably gonna cringe when Sacre gets big time playing mins smh.