Where do we go from here?

[princeofpalace]

Chandler has been horrid since his injury, I wouldnt want to be the team on the hook for his contract.

[wire28]

Iggy is too old for our team. We wont be really contending for atleast another 2-3 years. he'd be a waste. OJ is intriguing but Dallas will throw all that money at him, I'd assume he'd stay there.

Best thing the pistons can do is go with YOUNG, complimentary players that will play defense as well as do something else well. And most of all, just because you have a lot of money doesnt mean you have to spend all of it. Dont sign players that dont fit just to say you did something. Obviously we can explore the trade route too, with teams trying to unload some heavy contracts.

[Natopher]

Iggy is too old for our team. We wont be really contending for atleast another 2-3 years. he'd be a waste. OJ is intriguing but Dallas will throw all that money at him, I'd assume he'd stay there.

Best thing the pistons can do is go with YOUNG, complimentary players that will play defense as well as do something else well. And most of all, just because you have a lot of money doesnt mean you have to spend all of it. Dont sign players that dont fit just to say you did something. Obviously we can explore the trade route too, with teams trying to unload some heavy contracts.

I agree. Issue is that there aren't really too many good young players in free agency this year (my cutoff for young is about 27-28, but maybe yours is different). In my opinion, the bench is really what needs the most help on this team. I believe Singler can be our starting SF going forward. I don't think he's going to be super good or anything, but I think he can be an above average SF. Meaning our main hole in the rotation going forward is at SG (where we really don't have either a starting or backup quality player).

I'd like for us to sign JJ Redick in the offseason. I think he'd fit well and won't command as much money as other players such as K-Mart and Mayo. I also think we should resign Calderon if we can get him for a good price. I'd be okay with anywhere around 5-7 (maybe 8) mil. I think he'd be very good as our 6th man, but more importantly I think it's important for Knight to have a true PG to show him the ropes. After that though I really have no faith in our bench. Kratsov has potential to be a good backup C, but we haven't seen anywhere near enough of him to know one way or the other. I don't like Charlie V as the backup PF, no defense and way too inconsistent. Jerebko may be able to come back from whatever's bothering him this year, but I doubt it. And then Kim English hasn't had a good game offensively in a while. Maybe he's in a funk or maybe he's just not very good.

[Spider156]

We're not going to be the team that signs a big time FA this offseason. We're going to be the team that is willing to take on a big contract because the other team doesn't want to be in the luxury tax. Something like Harden's trade. If you think about it, there are a lot of options when you can do that and Dumars did that for himself. All he has to do now is find the right deal.

[princeofpalace]

We're not going to be the team that signs a big time FA this offseason. We're going to be the team that is willing to take on a big contract because the other team doesn't want to be in the luxury tax. Something like Harden's trade. If you think about it, there are a lot of options when you can do that and Dumars did that for himself. All he has to do now is find the right deal.

The problem with this is that there are a lot of teams with capspace in the offseason and not a lot of marquee guys available on high cap teams.

[Spider156]

We're not going to be the team that signs a big time FA this offseason. We're going to be the team that is willing to take on a big contract because the other team doesn't want to be in the luxury tax. Something like Harden's trade. If you think about it, there are a lot of options when you can do that and Dumars did that for himself. All he has to do now is find the right deal.

The problem with this is that there are a lot of teams with capspace in the offseason and not a lot of marquee guys available on high cap teams.

There will be young players looking for an extension like Monroe and GM's are aware of this. I can think of Paul George who is in the same Draft year as Greg. I can see the Pacers trading Granger to give George a good deal. That's just one example and before the Gay trade, Gay would've been another.

[thesack12]

Yeah, Granger is prolly my #1 realistic target. When he is right, he is an extremely potent and dynamic scorer. When healthy he is definitely a threat to be in the top 10 scorers in the entire league. Detroit's biggest need is a dynamic go to scorer, Granger can be that guy. He has been in the past, and has been a close to elite caliber scorer. Its also a very big plus that he is an SF, so he is doubly attractive for Detroit. Its pretty unlikely Detroit will be able to make a serious run at a more talented option.

As mentioned above Indiana has a looming George extension to tackle, plus they will likely want to re-sign David West this summer as well. They will be considering ways to free up cash. Moving Granger will also fully hand the keys over to George.

I'm not sure what it would exactly take to get Granger, especially trading him in-division. I don't think they would make that trade before the deadline for a cap saving trade centered around Maggette. But this summer Granger for pure cap space + a draft pick + mid level prospect might very well get the job done.

This is all of course assuming Granger comes back and looks healthy. He does only have one year left on his deal after this season, so there would be a bit of risk involved. Ideally he stays healthy and Detroit retains him, but even if he doesnt extend either Detroit can trade him next season for a nice package or just simply reap the cap space rewards again that summer when he walks.

If Detroit could land Granger, I would like to pry Wes Matthews away from Portland. However, I don't think thats very realistic as the Blazers are pretty high on him, and he has a cap friendly deal.

I've never been too high on Iggy myself. Nice player, but I don't think he is all that impactful and he is going to want a monster deal if he hits free agency. I like Mayo, but I dont think Detroit will ever be able to pry him away from Dallas.

[ComboGuardCity]

Yeah, Granger is prolly my #1 realistic target. When he is right, he is an extremely potent and dynamic scorer. When healthy he is definitely a threat to be in the top 10 scorers in the entire league. Detroit's biggest need is a dynamic go to scorer, Granger can be that guy. He has been in the past, and has been a close to elite caliber scorer. Its also a very big plus that he is an SF, so he is doubly attractive for Detroit. Its pretty unlikely Detroit will be able to make a serious run at a more talented option.

As mentioned above Indiana has a looming George extension to tackle, plus they will likely want to re-sign David West this summer as well. They will be considering ways to free up cash. Moving Granger will also fully hand the keys over to George.

I'm not sure what it would exactly take to get Granger, especially trading him in-division. I don't think they would make that trade before the deadline for a cap saving trade centered around Maggette. But this summer Granger for pure cap space + a draft pick + mid level prospect might very well get the job done.

This is all of course assuming Granger comes back and looks healthy. He does only have one year left on his deal after this season, so there would be a bit of risk involved. Ideally he stays healthy and Detroit retains him, but even if he doesnt extend either Detroit can trade him next season for a nice package or just simply reap the cap space rewards again that summer when he walks.

If Detroit could land Granger, I would like to pry Wes Matthews away from Portland. However, I don't think thats very realistic as the Blazers are pretty high on him, and he has a cap friendly deal.

I've never been too high on Iggy myself. Nice player, but I don't think he is all that impactful and he is going to want a monster deal if he hits free agency. I like Mayo, but I dont think Detroit will ever be able to pry him away from Dallas.

When George gets paid it won't take into effect until Granger's expires. As a result, they have no reason to dump him unless they're getting an equal return because they are trying to contend. As a result, they would be asking for way too much IMO and Granger is not worth that.

[ComboGuardCity]

Chandler has been horrid since his injury, I wouldnt want to be the team on the hook for his contract.

His contract isn't that big of a cap hit though. That's the kind of risk the organization has to take in order to get out of the cellar.

[thesack12]

Yeah, Granger is prolly my #1 realistic target. When he is right, he is an extremely potent and dynamic scorer. When healthy he is definitely a threat to be in the top 10 scorers in the entire league. Detroit's biggest need is a dynamic go to scorer, Granger can be that guy. He has been in the past, and has been a close to elite caliber scorer. Its also a very big plus that he is an SF, so he is doubly attractive for Detroit. Its pretty unlikely Detroit will be able to make a serious run at a more talented option.

As mentioned above Indiana has a looming George extension to tackle, plus they will likely want to re-sign David West this summer as well. They will be considering ways to free up cash. Moving Granger will also fully hand the keys over to George.

I'm not sure what it would exactly take to get Granger, especially trading him in-division. I don't think they would make that trade before the deadline for a cap saving trade centered around Maggette. But this summer Granger for pure cap space + a draft pick + mid level prospect might very well get the job done.

This is all of course assuming Granger comes back and looks healthy. He does only have one year left on his deal after this season, so there would be a bit of risk involved. Ideally he stays healthy and Detroit retains him, but even if he doesnt extend either Detroit can trade him next season for a nice package or just simply reap the cap space rewards again that summer when he walks.

If Detroit could land Granger, I would like to pry Wes Matthews away from Portland. However, I don't think thats very realistic as the Blazers are pretty high on him, and he has a cap friendly deal.

I've never been too high on Iggy myself. Nice player, but I don't think he is all that impactful and he is going to want a monster deal if he hits free agency. I like Mayo, but I dont think Detroit will ever be able to pry him away from Dallas.

When George gets paid it won't take into effect until Granger's expires. As a result, they have no reason to dump him unless they're getting an equal return because they are trying to contend. As a result, they would be asking for way too much IMO and Granger is not worth that.

You mean other than a likely West extension on the books, and the simple fact that Granger and George play the same position, both guys are gonna want/need 38-40 minutes a night. The Pacers organization is one of the more finance sensitive teams in the league.

I live in Indianapolis and the growing sentiment is that they are growing increasingly frustrated with Granger not staying healthy. Also, a lot of people are prepared to move on from Granger simply because they are ready to hand George the keys.

Maybe Detroit can scoop him up, maybe not. But IMO he is a much better option than anything realistically available in free agency. Chandler is a role player, I don't want Iggy, and I don't think Dallas lets Mayo go anywhere. Dumars needs to explore all similar options to the Granger situation. Trying to use all his resources in this free agent market has a high tendency to mirror the less than desirable haul of the summer 2009.

[ComboGuardCity]

Are they really going to give David West, someone who will be 33 next Summer an extension above the MLE? You probably know the situation better than me, but I don't see us giving up a pick and I don't know who are Midlevel prospect would be.

[thesack12]

Are they really going to give David West, someone who will be 33 next Summer an extension above the MLE? You probably know the situation better than me, but I don't see us giving up a pick and I don't know who are Midlevel prospect would be.

West is well liked by most in Pacer circles, and he fits their team very well. He probably re-signs with the Pacers for something like 3 years/21 mil. George's extension is going to likely be in the 75-85% of the max range.

The midlevel prospect would come either from a seperate trade Detroit makes using their cap space this summer, or simply adding a 3rd team to a potential Granger deal.

[Pharaoh]

I think Granger is probably the most realistic "big name" we could acquire...

Teams with tax or cap issues that are not legit contenders will want to shed salary..

Pacers, Nuggets, Orlando, Philly and Toronto are 5 I can think of off the top of my head

Guys like Granger, Iggy (Chandler or Gallinari), Afflalo (or Redick), Thaddeus Young, DeRozan or Bargnani all could be available...

If nothing else this off-season will be interesting for all of us...

[ComboGuardCity]

Earl Clark MLE?

[princeofpalace]

Another plan

Midseason Trade:
Will Bynum/LAC 2nd to OKC for Eric Maynor/OKC First. OKC goes for a deeper playoff run and we get a late first round pick.

Draft
Pistons 1st SF- Otto Porter (long SF that plays smart and has an all around game, Prince 2.0)
OKC 1st: C- Jeff Withey (defensive specialist C that blocks shots)
Pistons 2nd: SG- Brandon Paul ( "3 and D" SG)

Offseason
Waive Rodney Stuckey- he has no role with this team, its time to cut our losses.
Sign OJ Mayo to a 4/48 deal
Resign Jose Calderon to a 3/15 deal


Brandon Knight/Jose Calderon
OJ Mayo/Kim English/Brandon Paul
Kyle Singler/Otto Porter/Khris Middleton
Greg Monroe/Charlie V/Jonas Jerebko
Andre Drummond/Jeff Withey/Slava Kravstov

[Piston Pete]

Another plan

Midseason Trade:
Will Bynum/LAC 2nd to OKC for Eric Maynor/OKC First. OKC goes for a deeper playoff run and we get a late first round pick.

Draft
Pistons 1st SF- Otto Porter (long SF that plays smart and has an all around game, Prince 2.0)
OKC 1st: C- Jeff Withey (defensive specialist C that blocks shots)
Pistons 2nd: SG- Brandon Paul ( "3 and D" SG)

Offseason
Waive Rodney Stuckey- he has no role with this team, its time to cut our losses.
Sign OJ Mayo to a 4/48 deal
Resign Jose Calderon to a 3/15 deal


Brandon Knight/Jose Calderon
OJ Mayo/Kim English/Brandon Paul
Kyle Singler/Otto Porter/Khris Middleton
Greg Monroe/Charlie V/Jonas Jerebko
Andre Drummond/Jeff Withey/Slava Kravstov

Not bad....

1) I'd like to get more than a late first for Bynum. But if that's the best deal out there....
2) Instead of simply cutting Stuckey next season, we should look to deal him this season as well. I think there are still a number of teams that could use him and will give up a decent for him.
3) I'm not sold on Mayo. Still might rather get 3 guys for the price it would take to get Mayo.

[DetroitDon15]

Another plan

Midseason Trade:
Will Bynum/LAC 2nd to OKC for Eric Maynor/OKC First. OKC goes for a deeper playoff run and we get a late first round pick.

Draft
Pistons 1st SF- Otto Porter (long SF that plays smart and has an all around game, Prince 2.0)
OKC 1st: C- Jeff Withey (defensive specialist C that blocks shots)
Pistons 2nd: SG- Brandon Paul ( "3 and D" SG)

Offseason
Waive Rodney Stuckey- he has no role with this team, its time to cut our losses.
Sign OJ Mayo to a 4/48 deal
Resign Jose Calderon to a 3/15 deal


Brandon Knight/Jose Calderon
OJ Mayo/Kim English/Brandon Paul
Kyle Singler/Otto Porter/Khris Middleton
Greg Monroe/Charlie V/Jonas Jerebko
Andre Drummond/Jeff Withey/Slava Kravstov

Not bad....

1) I'd like to get more than a late first for Bynum. But if that's the best deal out there....
2) Instead of simply cutting Stuckey next season, we should look to deal him this season as well. I think there are still a number of teams that could use him and will give up a decent for him.
3) I'm not sold on Mayo. Still might rather get 3 guys for the price it would take to get Mayo.

To sign Mayo to a max type deal would crush this franchise. No way I do that. He's not worth it. If he wanted the MLE, i'd give him that. He's not a franchise guy. Also I'd start Calderon over Knight if he is resigned.