The Trade Thread

[fatlever]

i think even if we add jefferson/pekovic + top 4 pick to our current roster we would still be a bottom 5 team in 2013-14.

[MasterIchiro]

I agree, even if we add Al Jefferson plus McLemore or Shabazz we're a bottom 5 team.

Trade rumors from Fox Sports...

http://www.foxsportsohio.com/02/04/13/N ... eedID=3725

Josh Smith, Andray Blatche and Danny Granger are mentioned. Bobcats are speculated to be a possible destination for Smith.

Cliff notes: Ferry wants a ton for Smith. Nets want a pick for Blatche (isn't he going to file for free agency and become too pricey for the Nets bloated budget?) Pacers have explored moving Granger and sticking with their current team.

[Roll Tide 09]

With Dunlap and drafting Noel we absolutely would be a bottom 3 or 4 team again next year. Its too bad fans are too impatient and want everything now rather than waiting one more year for what is very obviously the best draft since 2003. Wiggins will go to Orlando or Dallas and become the next big thing and Parker will be a better Carmelo Anthony which is what this team needs desperately and people here will whine even more because we tried to win now and only finished with the 9th worst record and we are stuck in purgatory yet again.

Even if we miss out on Wiggins or Parker, 2014 is still top heavy with A prospects beyond those two and you can start going for it that year regardless.

Parker is getting severely overrated if you ask me. He is living off his reputation for winning state championships and being mormon more then what people think he will be in the NBA. From what I have seen he seems a bit slow for the Wing in the NBA, which will prevent him from being a superstar.

Wiggins looks all shinny now, but wait until you see him play a year in College, people will begin to find flaws with his game just like we did with Kevin Durant, Barnes, Shabazz... All those guys were getting big hype when they went to college and all three were doubted by the draft time. Durant had his doubters because of his size and strength. Barnes didnt have the killer instict. Shabazz is a selfish player..... The same will happen with Wiggins. There are no guarantees in the draft when looking at a kid in Highschool.

Its the same every year.... the current class is weak and next years is the best in the last decade. I think I have heard this for 3 straight years.

Haha this is what I was telling my brother today!

[Kembastockton]

i think even if we add jefferson/pekovic + top 4 pick to our current roster we would still be a bottom 5 team in 2013-14.

Which is the reason that I am not to big on adding Jefferson. I think that any impact player we add should be no older than Sessions. 26. By the time Kemba, MKG, and our next two draft picks become vet players ready to contend Big Al will be on his way out of the league.

[catch20two]

Jordan and Higgins might've obliterated this team in figurative terms of the strategy to "blow it up".

[misterglover]

I think come next season there is gonna be some kinda "name" player on this team, now how they obtain that person I dont know. I dont expect us to make a big move this deadline but with the luxury tax rules kicking in i think more teams are gonna have to follow that Memphis route and start to unload salary and we have put ourselves in a position to capitalize on that.

Like someone said earlier I think at some point they are gonna have to look at the $$$ aspect of this franchise too. They can not roll out another team for the 3rd year that is the worst in the league and expect people to spend hard earned money on a crappy product. Im not here to start the MKG debate again but I do know from being a season ticket holder and talking to other knowledgable hardcore fans that there are alot of people, not just myself, who are not really all that impressed with him or Biyombo right now. So if they decide they want to continue to go the draft route they are gonna have to get a player that can have an immediate impact on the court, you cant continue to draft raw prospects... the fans on Realgm represent a very small piece of the paying fanbase and this is a microwave society not to mention an already strained fanbase they dont care how MKG or Biz project 3 years down the road they wanna see something right now. I guarantee you if you did a poll of Charlotte right now or just the season ticket holders there is more interest in possibly getting the Hornets name back than any player or anything on court related to the bobcats.

We are gonna end up w/ the worst record in the league but that doesnt guarantee us the top pick...not sure if you want it in this draft anyway. If we are in the top 3 you almost have to keep it as that creates buzz and those players are the faces of your franchise, but if 3 teams move past us in the lottery and we end up outside of the top 3 I could see us doing something like trading the pick and Gordon for Danny Granger and the Pacers pick as they could have a shot at adding Zeller an Indiana guy who becomes the heir apparent to West and excites the fanbase while in return giving us a proven player who can put the ball in the basket and we still get a rookie to add to the core....something along those lines.

But I think the rebuild strategy of just young draft picks is done because we just arent hitting homeruns on these picks and you cant keep selling the build thru the draft mantra to a fanbase when none of the picks you are drafting are having any imediate impact and none appear to be franchise players.

[MasterIchiro]

If the new luxury tax rules force player movement akin to the Rudy Gay deal and give us added leverage in trades then I would think, since Granger has an injury history (though a shorter deal than Gay), the Pacers couldn't demand more than cap relief and a player comparable to Ed Davis. I would think Granger would be cheaper than Gay by a tad. I'm interested in Granger but not for a top 5-10 draft choice.

[JMAC3]

If you were Cavs would you trade your pick this year in a package for Paul Pierce...

[pickIBL]

Danny would not do that to Paul. It would be kinda odd how the Nuggets are rolling for them to be making moves. But I suppose for the names being discussed they could take on KG (and maybe another vet from the Celtics) plus Henderson from the bobcats (for mozgov & miller). That's an awful lot of trading but it makes sense I suppose since no real core guys go out.

[Eoghan]

[giant post]

I would agree with you that most Charlotte fans do not want to spend money on another cellar dwelling team next year if not for the fact that MJ has the Hornets rebrand ace up his sleeve. Becoming the Hornets is going to buy the rebuild some much needed time and the money that will be brought in by that will vastly exceed the amount going out from people that are too impatient to watch projects develop.

Which will put more butts in the seats? The exciting, nostalgic Hornets at a measly $3M spent or the LOLcats fast tracking their way back to the treadmill by overpaying FAs like Gay, Jefferson, Milsap, or Josh Smith?

Something tells me that most fans, and more importantly Jordan, would rather go with the cheap, developing young core on rookie contracts as the Hornets.

[misterglover]

I would agree with you that most Charlotte fans do not want to spend money on another cellar dwelling team next year if not for the fact that MJ has the Hornets rebrand ace up his sleeve. Becoming the Hornets is going to buy the rebuild some much needed time and the money that will be brought in by that will vastly exceed the amount going out from people that are too impatient to watch projects develop.

Which will put more butts in the seats? The exciting, nostalgic Hornets at a measly $3M spent or the LOLcats fast tracking their way back to the treadmill by overpaying FAs like Gay, Jefferson, Milsap, or Josh Smith?

Something tells me that most fans, and more importantly Jordan, would rather go with the cheap, developing young core on rookie contracts as the Hornets.

I think your wrong....in fact im know your wrong. The nostalgia Hornets thing would last about 2 months until the team starts to suck again. Wins and losses are all thats gonna matter becuz from what I've noticed the majority of the people screaming "Bring back the buzz" dont really pay to go to very many games anyway and to be honest I really dont think Jordan & Co. want to switch the name, they dont want to resort back to a franchise that is associated w/ another owner and that aint my guess I pretty much know that, im no insider but I know some well placed people associated with the team. They just have to say we'll look into it cuz its the PC thing to say....we are more likely to have "Hornets night" where they trot out Muggsy & Hugo and some other folk associated w/ the Bugs and wear the throwback jerseys for select games becuz that wouldnt cost anything than actually be called the Charlotte Hornets next year....( I tried to find a link to an article that was posted where a high ranking Bobcats official pretty much told the author dont hold your breath on the name change but i couldnt find it)

This is sports and winning is the most important thing.

[penquin11]

Yeah, I agree. if the Hornets was such a great name/brand it would have been sucessful in NO despite the move. Lakers has nothing to do with LA, yet the team is huge there- and its due to past and recent success.

If I were to want to buy a Kevin Durant jersey, it wouldn't be because I love the name Thunder, it would be because Kevin Durant is a great player on a great team.

[JGib23]

The Hornets brand buys time and adds profit. I bought lower level season tickets for the rest of this year and my main motivation was to participate in the survey.

There are many people that are passionate about that brand and what it means to Charlotte.
Gaining the incremental Hornets fans gives the team 1 more year to complete the rebuild and go for Wiggins.

I would rather sit on our cap space and stink next year for the chance to draft Wiggins. If we miss on Wiggins it's still a strong draft and we would still have the cap space to sign a max free agent next summer.

@mister glover-the Hornets name has been in Charlotte and has more meaning than just the former owner, the Bobcats name means nothing but the former owner... You still may be right and they go the cheap route and have Hornets nights but, if they are smar they do the switch and gain the goodwill from the Hornets hungry Charlotte fans (Mayor Foxx included). I can't see them playing the game this far and create all the Hornets excitement, just to announce they will continue to be the Bobcats and continue ranking dead last in the NBA in merchandise sales...they are hurting every owners pocketbook by having a failed brand.

@Penguin11- the reason the Hornets brand didn't stick in NOLA was that for thpasser 12 years, they have been getting called the Charlotte Hornets numerous times per year. The name Hornets is synonymous with Charlotte and they wanted to create their own identity...the Hornets just beat Phoenix last night and the headline read "Charlotte Hornets end losing streak".. It drove the NOLA fans **** crazy to continue getting called Charlotte.

[BigSlam]

This is the trade thread. Please keep it on topic. There is a re-naming thread for a reason.

[Eoghan]

It's all moot anyway, we can't help but suck regardless. We could have all 5 of the top picks this year, and sign a "big name" FA like Josh Smith and would still be a high-lottery team next year. What else can we do? Magically trade Kemba, MKG and Biyombo for All-Stars?

[JGib23]

Trading Rufus for Hugo doesn't count?

I agree with your point but, the name change kind of impacts the urgency that some feel for trading for a star to keep the fan base excited. But, agree that conversation is best served in the other thread,

[Roll Tide 09]

Random but I think the Knicks should trade Stoudemire and Copeland for Howard. Then if we can't trade Thomas somehow, we can amnesty him and the Knicks can pick him up lol

[HornetJail]

Random but I think the Knicks should trade Stoudemire and Copeland for Howard. Then if we can't trade Thomas somehow, we can amnesty him and the Knicks can pick him up lol

Stoudemire for Howard?

[Snidely FC]

Offer Hendo to HOU for Terrence Jones (who has looked great in the D League)

If they would include Greg Smith, (Hendo for Jones & Smith) even better, though I don't think they would.

I would also take Motiejunas (20&10 in D League) for Hendo.

[penquin11]

Honestly, I wouldn't even want Howard at this point. The last thing the Bobcats need is for their first true superstar to be a bitchy diva. I probably would stop following the team if Howard came here- even though his presence would guarantee 35+ wins a year and would aide us in landing other top talent, I just hate the guy.