Around the NBA part 4

[Thugger HBC]

You know this point makes zero sense.

Firstly Karl isn't a good coach at all, if anyone is running a gimmick he's the master of it.

Both of these teams play with a huge amount of effort....that's there game combined with doing it as a team.

I do like Thibbs...all of his teams have been successful, he'll have a ring as HC before Karl which will never get one.

A little footnote, George Karl played in the NBA as well, the Knicks drafted him although he didn't play for us.

Didn't Karl go to the finals with the Sonics? I don't think Thibs gets a ring with this Chicago team. They need another player.

Karl may have played 40 years ago, but he's still a pro. He knows his stuff, which is something that cannot be said about the majority of NBA coaches. Guys like Avery Johnson, Del-Negro, Mark Jackson, Scott and so on, are basically motivators and have little understanding of the game. Overall, the level of coaching in the league is ridiculous.

I think Thibs gets his players to do exactly what he wants and its effective, but the fact that a defense with such glaring holes has success in this league says a lot about the coaching.

Do you recall the Sonics team? I do, they were always the most talented yet underachieved damn near every year in the playoffs, and alot of that was squarely on the shoulders of George Karl.

I'll never kick a man when he is down, but his bout with cancer kept him employed....dude is garbage.

He's marginally better than D'antoni.

[mrpoetryNmotion]

Bulls getting smacked hard tonight.

Knicks should be taking notes.

[johnnywishbone]

Wilson Chandler upping his trade value. Good time to find your shot.

[Quick Kick]

damn, FDR called it.

Bulls got smacked, down 30 right now.

I wish there was a way to get Mozzy back to NY, I'd love to have him backing up Tyson for about 5-10 minutes a night.

[SonOfMars]

wow...props to whoever called the blowout

[mrpoetryNmotion]

Nuggets by 20+.

Possible, I doubt it though.

You're right. I was a bit conservative. Probably 30+.

Props.

[AllanHoustonFan]

FDR looking like a genius tonight.

[fdr2012]

Do you recall the Sonics team? I do, they were always the most talented yet underachieved damn near every year in the playoffs, and alot of that was squarely on the shoulders of George Karl.

I'll never kick a man when he is down, but his bout with cancer kept him employed....dude is garbage.

He's marginally better than D'antoni.

The only gripe I have with Karl is that his teams tend to lose focus on defense. You could see today that the Nuggets knew exactly where they wanted to go, and that's something rare int his league.

[Thugger HBC]

Do you recall the Sonics team? I do, they were always the most talented yet underachieved damn near every year in the playoffs, and alot of that was squarely on the shoulders of George Karl.

I'll never kick a man when he is down, but his bout with cancer kept him employed....dude is garbage.

He's marginally better than D'antoni.

The only gripe I have with Karl is that his teams tend to lose focus on defense. You could see today that the Nuggets knew exactly where they wanted to go, and that's something rare int his league.

This statement is very indicating.

Not sure how long you've watched the NBA, but Karl weakness is never in the regular season, it's in the playoffs, the same thing you claim the Thibbs and Avery's have.

Karl teams have always choked in the playoffs, literally almost every season with the lone exception of his Bucks playing the Sixers.

He totes a 43% win percentage in the playoffs with multiple first round exits and that's not including his Denver teams with Melo.

He still touts a dubious distinction of losing in the first round to the 8th seed Nuggets which were absolutely terrible, mainly by having no adjustments what so ever.

That Sonics team was literally a perennial powerhouse, had no weaknesses on it at all...except a terrible coach, and was the only finals team that was actually better than the Bulls.

If you think D'antoni is a hack, Karl invented the title.

[j4remi]

Wilson looked like Trevor Ariza did against us...what's going on with these former Knick SF's!?

[fdr2012]

This statement is very indicating.

Not sure how long you've watched the NBA, but Karl weakness is never in the regular season, it's in the playoffs, the same thing you claim the Thibbs and Avery's have.

Karl teams have always choked in the playoffs, literally almost every season with the lone exception of his Bucks playing the Sixers.

He totes a 43% win percentage in the playoffs with multiple first round exits and that's not including his Denver teams with Melo.

He still touts a dubious distinction of losing in the first round to the 8th seed Nuggets which were absolutely terrible, mainly by having no adjustments what so ever.

That Sonics team was literally a perennial powerhouse, had no weaknesses on it at all...except a terrible coach, and was the only finals team that was actually better than the Bulls.

If you think D'antoni is a hack, Karl invented the title.

I remember that Nuggest-Sonics series like it was yesterday. Bryant Stith and Robert Pack were awesome. I don't think Karl is D'antoni bad. Karl knows his stuff, but I think his problems are on a personal level. He isn't able to get his players to put in the effort and concentration needed on the defensive end. Sonics lost that series to a very good team, and Stith/Mutambo were defensive monsters.

Nevertheless, Nuggets played some great ball last night. The kind of execution you would never see from a D'antoni team.

[Thugger HBC]

This statement is very indicating.

Not sure how long you've watched the NBA, but Karl weakness is never in the regular season, it's in the playoffs, the same thing you claim the Thibbs and Avery's have.

Karl teams have always choked in the playoffs, literally almost every season with the lone exception of his Bucks playing the Sixers.

He totes a 43% win percentage in the playoffs with multiple first round exits and that's not including his Denver teams with Melo.

He still touts a dubious distinction of losing in the first round to the 8th seed Nuggets which were absolutely terrible, mainly by having no adjustments what so ever.

That Sonics team was literally a perennial powerhouse, had no weaknesses on it at all...except a terrible coach, and was the only finals team that was actually better than the Bulls.

If you think D'antoni is a hack, Karl invented the title.

I remember that Nuggest-Sonics series like it was yesterday. Bryant Stith and Robert Pack were awesome. I don't think Karl is D'antoni bad. Karl knows his stuff, but I think his problems are on a personal level. He isn't able to get his players to put in the effort and concentration needed on the defensive end. Sonics lost that series to a very good team, and Stith/Mutambo were defensive monsters.

Nevertheless, Nuggets played some great ball last night. The kind of execution you would never see from a D'antoni team.

Regular season game, Dantoni has plenty of last night games.

Both of them are awful.

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[AllanHoustonFan]

This statement is very indicating.

Not sure how long you've watched the NBA, but Karl weakness is never in the regular season, it's in the playoffs, the same thing you claim the Thibbs and Avery's have.

Karl teams have always choked in the playoffs, literally almost every season with the lone exception of his Bucks playing the Sixers.

He totes a 43% win percentage in the playoffs with multiple first round exits and that's not including his Denver teams with Melo.

He still touts a dubious distinction of losing in the first round to the 8th seed Nuggets which were absolutely terrible, mainly by having no adjustments what so ever.

That Sonics team was literally a perennial powerhouse, had no weaknesses on it at all...except a terrible coach, and was the only finals team that was actually better than the Bulls.

If you think D'antoni is a hack, Karl invented the title.

I remember that Nuggest-Sonics series like it was yesterday. Bryant Stith and Robert Pack were awesome. I don't think Karl is D'antoni bad. Karl knows his stuff, but I think his problems are on a personal level. He isn't able to get his players to put in the effort and concentration needed on the defensive end. Sonics lost that series to a very good team, and Stith/Mutambo were defensive monsters.

Nevertheless, Nuggets played some great ball last night. The kind of execution you would never see from a D'antoni team.

That's because he's a prick.

[Quick Kick]

Whoaaa now....that Denver team wasnt terrible! Abdul-Rauf, Pack, Stith, Mutombo, Laphonso Ellis, Brian Williams, Rodney Rodgers. They even took Utah to 7 games in the next round.

[StutterStep]

Nuggets have won 8 in a row, and are 10-1 since Wilson Chandler's return.

Nuggs are now in 4th place in the conference, passing the Grizz. I'm not sure if it's hurt feelings but Memphis has not been playing good ball since the trade...but it's not like they were beasting shortly before jettisoning Gay.

[Thugger HBC]

Whoaaa now....that Denver team wasnt terrible! Abdul-Rauf, Pack, Stith, Mutombo, Laphonso Ellis, Brian Williams, Rodney Rodgers. They even took Utah to 7 games in the next round.

They were the 8th who knocked out the 1 seed.....which was unprecedented.

Denver was not favored at all, I'm not calling them bad, but the Sonics absolutely choked, and their whole existence under Karl was choke after choke after choke.

The main reason why i bring this up is because while FDR is praising Karl for regular season success he's hypocritically blaming Thibbs calling him a gimmick for doing the same thing even though his star player went down in injury.

Let Google present the tapes......

Lol. What was the score when Rose went down? What was the series like when Noah went down?

Even two years ago, Bulls had huge problems with the Pacers in the first round and would have been out if it wasn't for 20 Fts by Rose in game 2.

Heat did you easily in the ECF.

Bulls are going nowhere again. Thibs basketball can only win in the regular season. It's too predictable and easy to contain when you prepare for it.

Not only the Bulls, but yes. I'm not wrong though. Bulls are headed towards a first round exit.

Thibs is the Mike D'antoni of defense. Overloading the strong side is a gimmicky way playing defense and it gets exposed in the payoffs.

It's gonna be an interesting situation going on in the playoff with that ban bet that was made.

[AllanHoustonFan]

Nuggets have won 8 in a row, and are 10-1 since Wilson Chandler's return.

Nuggs are now in 4th place in the conference, passing the Grizz. I'm not sure if it's hurt feelings but Memphis has not been playing good ball since the trade...but it's not like they were beasting shortly before jettisoning Gay.

I still think the Grizz made a horrible trade, but only time will tell.

[fdr2012]

They were the 8th who knocked out the 1 seed.....which was unprecedented.

Denver was not favored at all, I'm not calling them bad, but the Sonics absolutely choked, and their whole existence under Karl was choke after choke after choke.

The main reason why i bring this up is because while FDR is praising Karl for regular season success he's hypocritically blaming Thibbs calling him a gimmick for doing the same thing even though his star player went down in injury.

I'm not arguing Karl's case as some HOF coach here. Your point about some his playoff failures is well taken (though I don't think getting the Sonics the finals was a failure).

I'm also not arguing that Thibs is in any way a "bad" coach. I think he's pretty great and is getting 200% out of his team.

I'm saying two things:
1. Chicago/Thibs defensive scheme, which has led to their over-achievement in the regular season has glaring holes in it and has/will be exposed in the playoffs and in the ragular season by good coaching.

2. Karl (who definitely has his flaws), is a coach who knows basketball and knows how to exploit those glaring weaknesses, and that why I predicted the 30 point blowout last night.

I'm not making this a Thibs-Karl debate, because I will agree that Thibs is getting more out of his team.

As for the ban bet - I'm fine with it in the moment, though I believe the person who made it with me, made it due to the love of Lin, and not the love (or even belief) of the Bulls.

[JustaKnickFan]

I gotta agree with Thugger here.

Anyone remember Sonics-Bulls finals where Karl was reluctant to put Payton on Jordan, but when he did Jordan had some of the worst playoff performances of his career.

[Thugger HBC]

They were the 8th who knocked out the 1 seed.....which was unprecedented.

Denver was not favored at all, I'm not calling them bad, but the Sonics absolutely choked, and their whole existence under Karl was choke after choke after choke.

The main reason why i bring this up is because while FDR is praising Karl for regular season success he's hypocritically blaming Thibbs calling him a gimmick for doing the same thing even though his star player went down in injury.

I'm not arguing Karl's case as some HOF coach here. Your point about some his playoff failures is well taken (though I don't think getting the Sonics the finals was a failure).

I'm also not arguing that Thibs is in any way a "bad" coach. I think he's pretty great and is getting 200% out of his team.

I'm saying two things:
1. Chicago/Thibs defensive scheme, which has led to their over-achievement in the regular season has glaring holes in it and has/will be exposed in the playoffs and in the ragular season by good coaching.

2. Karl (who definitely has his flaws), is a coach who knows basketball and knows how to exploit those glaring weaknesses, and that why I predicted the 30 point blowout last night.

I'm not making this a Thibs-Karl debate, because I will agree that Thibs is getting more out of his team.

As for the ban bet - I'm fine with it in the moment, though I believe the person who made it with me, made it due to the love of Lin, and not the love (or even belief) of the Bulls.

Will you officially say that Karl is an underachiever, that is what I'm looking for, and that was my point from the start.

You dont get praise for taking a team to the finals and damn near get swept.

Then choking to an 8th seed is unheard of.

Karl is what his playoff record is.... .439 perennial loser, with all-star HOF talent mind you.