Thoughts on Trade Idea

[SoCalJazzFan]

Jazz fan here looking to pry Bledsoe from your hands.

If the Clippers were to receive Paul Pierce and Earl Watson, would the Clips be willing to give up Odom, Butler, Bledsoe and a first round pick and a second round pick?

Thought is that Clippers weakness is the SF position and PP would move the Clippers to favorites to win the championship, both this year and possibly next.

[Don Tommy]

Any trade suggested that includes Odom can instantly go into the trash file. No trying to be rude, but Odom is THE most untradeable player in the NBA right now. Everyone saw what happened when he went to Dallas, and how he basically said LA or bust. As for even trying to acquire Pierce, I am torn. He would want to be the superstar, which he kinda deserves when you look at his body of work (as opposed to our owner that just likes to look at our players bodies...) but when we are healthy, it might hurt more than help. On the other hand, who do we have that can do what Pierce does except CP3? A 2st and a 2nd and players though? Not a chance, Odom or not

[SoCalJazzFan]

I agree that Odom wouldn't like it, but with only 3 months left on his contract and Boston just wanting an expiring or a buyout anyway to start their rebuild I don't think it would matter (does he have a no trade clause??). He would have to put his reality show on hold for a few months and maybe leaving the Kardashian compound for a while wouldn't be the worst thing for him.

I agree that this alone wouldn't get the trade done, it is part of a bigger idea (as a Jazz fan I would like to get Bledsoe).

[JayClips92]

Why would we trade bledsoe, 1st and 2nd round picks and our back-court depth? Possible ruin the great team chemistry?
If Boston is the team that wants to blow up there team, why are the clips giving up so much in this trade?
Like most people have said before, Bledsoe mostly likely will not be traded til after CP3 is signed to a long term deal this summer

[RiversideClips]

SoCalJazzFan are you crazy??? You want to give us a 3rd String PG & an over the hill Gang Banger and you want us to give you Bled + Draft Picks.
You want Bled that bad, you over pay for him.
You're whack.

[Neddy]

Any trade suggested that includes Odom can instantly go into the trash file. No trying to be rude, but Odom is THE most untradeable player in the NBA right now. Everyone saw what happened when he went to Dallas, and how he basically said LA or bust. As for even trying to acquire Pierce, I am torn. He would want to be the superstar, which he kinda deserves when you look at his body of work (as opposed to our owner that just likes to look at our players bodies...) but when we are healthy, it might hurt more than help. On the other hand, who do we have that can do what Pierce does except CP3? A 2st and a 2nd and players though? Not a chance, Odom or not

[Neddy]

Any trade suggested that includes Odom can instantly go into the trash file. No trying to be rude, but Odom is THE most untradeable player in the NBA right now. Everyone saw what happened when he went to Dallas, and how he basically said LA or bust. As for even trying to acquire Pierce, I am torn. He would want to be the superstar, which he kinda deserves when you look at his body of work (as opposed to our owner that just likes to look at our players bodies...) but when we are healthy, it might hurt more than help. On the other hand, who do we have that can do what Pierce does except CP3? A 2st and a 2nd and players though? Not a chance, Odom or not

[SoCalJazzFan]

I'll tell you as a Jazz fan I wish that our owner would have been willing to pay some more for a decent center before Malone and Stockton left so that a Championship banner would be hanging in the rafters.

The Jazz aren't anywhere close to that right now. However, the Clippers are very close to being a force for years if they can improve their SF position and sign CP3 longterm and need to be willing to part with the potential future to win now.

Sometimes, you've got to give to get.

[RiversideClips]

SCJazzF, you want to take Bled & more. The Clips are in a Seller's Market for Bled & your deal will get the phone "hung up" on you.
We wouldn't be "GIVING" in your trade, we would be delivering your future PG in Gift Wrap & delivered by UPS.

[QRich3]

I'd love to have Pierce with us, I think he's still a difference maker and I don't think he'd have any attitude problem He's always been willing to defer to his teammates when he's had talent around him, and I think he'd fit right in with Chauncey, Paul and the general mindset of our team.

With that said, there is no trade possible because of his salary, we'd have to give up at least 3 key pieces on our rotation and that'd probably destroy our team biggest strength which is our bench's intensity. I'd be ok with giving Bled + expiring, but 3 of our 8 best players might be too much. It's a pity cause Boston doesn't even have any use for Odom or Butler, they'd be just fillers for them.

[KDBG]

I'm a Jazz fan, and I agree that this trade idea is extremely unrealistic and lopsided in the Jazz's favor. Why the hell would LAC throw in a 1st rounder, when they are getting garbage in return. I mean, Pierce would be fine if there was a promising young player coming back with him. But f***** Watson? Ew.

I also agree that we would have to overpay. And I'd be totally fine with that. To win in this league you have to be aggressive. You've gotta take calculated risks.

I would love Bledsoe on the Jazz. He is a potential top 10 PG somewhere in the future. If he were a senior and going into the draft this summer, he would easily be a top 3 draft pick. Maybe even a number 1 pick with how weak this year's draft is. So it would take AT LEAST one of our young guys plus one of Millsap or Jefferson to even begin to think about getting a deal done.

This is the most realistic trade scenario I could come up with:

Utah gets: Bledsoe, Jordan
LAC gets: Kanter, Millsap

Why for Utah?
We get our long coveted PG of the future. We solidify our core, and build our team around Bledsoe/Favors/Hayward. We are overpaying in most Jazz fan's eyes, because hey, every fanbase is guilty of overrating their own players anyways. We also pick up Jordan who would be our 3rd big this year, and probably the starting C after this year.

Why for LAC?
You guys get Millsap to add depth to your frontline to make a run at the title this year. He would be the best 6th man in the league. He is unrestricted, so you could lose him, but that's why Utah would add one of their talented young bigmen as well. Kanter will probably end up being a 14/12 guy in the future. He would be a 10/10 guy for sure if he got starter minutes today. He had 17 points, 9 rebounds, and 5 blocks the other night in only 17 minutes. Dude is only 20 years old, and is a beast physically down low. He rebounds everything. He would compliment Griffin very nicely, and he would replace Jordan's horrid free throw shooting with his still fairly raw, but very promising offensive game. He's a solid free throw shooter as well for a big man. A Kanter/Griffin frontcourt would probably be the best frontcourt duo in the league in a couple of years.

So this is essentially a promising young player for another promising young player, and an expiring contract for a giant contract.

[azncorruptedo17]

Utah gets: Bledsoe, Jordan
LAC gets: Kanter, Millsap

hmmm this one is intriguing... http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=awfxqg8 it works financially. we'll probably ask for a 2nd rounder or some type of pick though. we shred DJs overpriced contract for kanter [i actually like kanter].

millsap will definitely give us a better bench. we can rely on him a little and don't need to always just give the ball to jcross, he has a nice face up/post game that can demand double teams.

edit: i forgot billups is back, so we don't need a backup pg. i like this trade xD

[adiedanny]

I'm a Jazz fan, and I agree that this trade idea is extremely unrealistic and lopsided in the Jazz's favor. Why the hell would LAC throw in a 1st rounder, when they are getting garbage in return. I mean, Pierce would be fine if there was a promising young player coming back with him. But f***** Watson? Ew.

I also agree that we would have to overpay. And I'd be totally fine with that. To win in this league you have to be aggressive. You've gotta take calculated risks.

I would love Bledsoe on the Jazz. He is a potential top 10 PG somewhere in the future. If he were a senior and going into the draft this summer, he would easily be a top 3 draft pick. Maybe even a number 1 pick with how weak this year's draft is. So it would take AT LEAST one of our young guys plus one of Millsap or Jefferson to even begin to think about getting a deal done.

This is the most realistic trade scenario I could come up with:

Utah gets: Bledsoe, Jordan
LAC gets: Kanter, Millsap

Why for Utah?
We get our long coveted PG of the future. We solidify our core, and build our team around Bledsoe/Favors/Hayward. We are overpaying in most Jazz fan's eyes, because hey, every fanbase is guilty of overrating their own players anyways. We also pick up Jordan who would be our 3rd big this year, and probably the starting C after this year.

Why for LAC?
You guys get Millsap to add depth to your frontline to make a run at the title this year. He would be the best 6th man in the league. He is unrestricted, so you could lose him, but that's why Utah would add one of their talented young bigmen as well. Kanter will probably end up being a 14/12 guy in the future. He would be a 10/10 guy for sure if he got starter minutes today. He had 17 points, 9 rebounds, and 5 blocks the other night in only 17 minutes. Dude is only 20 years old, and is a beast physically down low. He rebounds everything. He would compliment Griffin very nicely, and he would replace Jordan's horrid free throw shooting with his still fairly raw, but very promising offensive game. He's a solid free throw shooter as well for a big man. A Kanter/Griffin frontcourt would probably be the best frontcourt duo in the league in a couple of years.

So this is essentially a promising young player for another promising young player, and an expiring contract for a giant contract.

Finally a reasonable and interesting trade. This one makes me think

[Neddy]

we are giving up 2 starters for them and only getting what is right now a bench big and a FA to be. we need a pick back.

DJ+bledsoe for Kanter, milsap, and their 1st.

[KDBG]

we are giving up 2 starters for them and only getting what is right now a bench big and a FA to be. we need a pick back.

DJ+bledsoe for Kanter, milsap, and their 1st.

I'd be down with that. That seems fair. But to also be fair, Kanter is starter material right now. He's just the 4th big in arguably the deepest frontcourt in the league. Yes, you'd probably only be getting Millsap for a year, but you'd also be replacing a guy in DJ for a guy like Kanter who is already way more offensively talented, and can hold his own pretty damn well on defense. But like I said, I wouldn't even hesitate to throw in our 1st.

[SoCalJazzFan]

Overall the trade is probably fair, but I think that the Jazz believe that their future is Favors, Hayward and Kanter and thus these guys are basically untouchable. If I were the Jazz, I would think that a Ramon Sessions or Jarrett Jack with these 3 players would be better than giving up one of them for a PG, especially where I might be able to draft that PG.

That is why I think that using the Celtics as a trading partner (assuming that they are ready to rebuild and the Clippers want to make a run for the Championship) makes a lot of sense.

Here is a possibility http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=amxzwds

Another, where the Clips go all in for that Championship (could be this year or next if CP3 resigns) http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=aujbwe7

In either case the Jazz would give up two first round picks to make it work (to Boston). Watson in for PG insurance as the 3rd PG for Clippers, and to make the number of players/salary work.

You have to admit that KG is a huge improvement over DJ, and PP would be over Butler, and the cost would basically be Bledsoe.

In the last scenario, the Jazz would surely have to buyout Odom (I think that he could resign with any team, including Clips, after that). By 2014, in either case, the Clippers would have a nice load of cash to chase free agents after KG and/or PP retire.

[Neddy]

we are giving up 2 starters for them and only getting what is right now a bench big and a FA to be. we need a pick back.

DJ+bledsoe for Kanter, milsap, and their 1st.

I'd be down with that. That seems fair. But to also be fair, Kanter is starter material right now. He's just the 4th big in arguably the deepest frontcourt in the league. Yes, you'd probably only be getting Millsap for a year, but you'd also be replacing a guy in DJ for a guy like Kanter who is already way more offensively talented, and can hold his own pretty damn well on defense. But like I said, I wouldn't even hesitate to throw in our 1st.

i just checked and apparently your team also holds GS's 1st this year. it wouldn't be much of a value with warriors doing well, why not throw in both picks?