The inevitable Danny Granger trade

[tocooks]

Waiting to see how we do in the playoffs this year before making up my mind on Danny, he could be the piece that puts us ahead of Miami, can't let him go until we know where we are at.

[Grang33r]

Apparently, you can take Houston off the list. Although, Marc Stein's sources as of late have been very shoddy. http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/22 ... In-Granger

[alden19]

kings fan here.

any chance of a granger for tyreke and filler (ie Garcia or salmons) swap?

[Scoot McGroot]

kings fan here.

any chance of a granger for tyreke and filler (ie Garcia or salmons) swap?

Tough to say. In theory, we should. Tyreke is playing well but his impending free agency doesn't bode well for finances. However, he could be a nice complement to Hill and George.

I think Thomas Robinson may interest as well, as a safety net should West not be re-signed.

Ultimately, I don't think the front office would trade Granger until seeing how he fits in this year.

As a fan deal, I would hope for a granger, hansbrough, Plumlee, 1st for Tyreke, Garcia, Robinson, though I'd take Salmons instead of Garcia if need be. It's a major upheaval for both teams though.

[yoadknux]

kings fan here.

any chance of a granger for tyreke and filler (ie Garcia or salmons) swap?

In terms of fit I like it for both teams. Tyreke fits the young core of the Pacers and Granger would be a vet that is pretty much needed for Sac. I also think they're good fit in their playstyle also - Tyreke as a ball dominant guard would be good next to Hill and George and Granger as an off-ball scorer would let the youngsters to their thing.

It should also give the Pacers some time to decide whether they wanna commit to Tyreke or not.

Works for me.

[8305]

If money weren't an issue the Granger for Evans trade would make sense. But, in 2014 money will be a huge issue. I'm working under the assumption West is resigned and it may very well cost more than his current deal. George will be a max deal. Tyreke at 10 mil or more per year puts us right where Memphis was.

[Scoot McGroot]

If we move Granger, we likely need to move Gerald Greens contract to lessen our 2014 payroll.

2014 is also a reason I may consider Thomas Robinson in exchange for Granger instead of Tyreke. Essentially, either we pay Tyreke too much or let him walk and move Granger for nothing. Tough spot.

[Jake0890]

If we move Granger, we likely need to move Gerald Greens contract to lessen our 2014 payroll.

2014 is also a reason I may consider Thomas Robinson in exchange for Granger instead of Tyreke. Essentially, either we pay Tyreke too much or let him walk and move Granger for nothing. Tough spot.

Thomas Robinson hasn't been that impressive though, he averages 5/5. Either way, I doubt the Kings give up on him so early in his career.

[chatard5]

I have thought about getting Tyreke in a deal for Granger. If you listen to a lot of Bill Simmons (B.S. Report) then you might like Tyreke. I haven't seen the Kings play much this year, but as Bill says it seems like whoever gets the ball first is going to shoot. They just have a bunch of young guys, possibly with a lot of talent (obviously Cousins does), and everything gets mixed up. Hopefully if Tyreke could go to a team where there is a good coach and a good team and his role is defined he could play very well.

[8305]

If we move Granger, we likely need to move Gerald Greens contract to lessen our 2014 payroll.

2014 is also a reason I may consider Thomas Robinson in exchange for Granger instead of Tyreke. Essentially, either we pay Tyreke too much or let him walk and move Granger for nothing. Tough spot.

I would like to think the Pacers know better than to put themselves in the spot of having to overpay Tyreke Evans or lose him in free agency and get nothing for Granger (one year before you would have to).

Robinson is an interesting young player but if you make the assumption that David West is resigned would Robinson get enough minutes to develop his game?

I have yet to see a trade scenario I like better than moving Granger for the highest draft pick you can get and maybe a lessor player who could work into the rotation.

[fishercob]

Wizards fan here. I come in peace (my mom grew up in Indianapolis) and wanted to float a Granger trade idea:

Garnger for Ariza, Booker and Crawford.

In the short term it improves your defense that is already #1 in the league and gives you another elite defensive wing that will go a long way towards knocking off Miami in a seven game series. Ariza's D is really great, and he won't disrupt your offense.

Crawford also gives you some scoring punch off the bench at the SG that you don't have. He's erratic, but he can get hot and win you a game. Booker is a solid NBA-quality backup 4. He's struggedl this year to get fully healthy, but his 1st two years were quite good.

It's a great financial move for the Pacers too. It saves them a pro-rated $3.2M this season, and saves them $1.8M next year. But having Booker and Crawford would enable them to replace Hansbrough ($4.2M QO) and let DJ Augstin walk (makes $3.5M this year) so it's really a savings of $10.5M.

Plus, Granger would be a perfect fit in Washington. We love injured guys.

Look forward to your feedback. Thanks.

[Jake0890]

Plus, Granger would be a perfect fit in Washington. We love injured guys.

rofl:

I wouldn't mind having the backup 4 so we can let Hans walk, but I've never been a fan or Ariza and his contract, and Crawford is really inconsistent and erratic, as you said.

[Wizop]

I don't think we're trading Granger mid-season, but if we were we couldn't trade him for 3 players as we have a full roster of 15 already. we'd have to cut two guys do to your trade now. we can't let Augustin walk after this deal as you haven't given us a point guard replacement. if replacing Hansbrough is the plan, why don't you take him for Booker?

Granger is practicing now and is likely to play some on Wednesday and certainly after the break. this isn't an injured player that would be sitting.

[fishercob]

On Ariza, by way of context I **hated** the trade we made for him this summer because of a similar perception that he was mediocre and very overpaid. Since then (and early struggles that coincided with the Wall and Nene injuries) he has been the focal point of a defense that is now ranked 4th in the league. This is beyond remarkable in Washington, as we haven't had an above average defense in nearly 20 years. Ariza always covers the opposing best perimeter player in the 4Q -- from PG to SF. I do think he actively helps your team by making a great defense that much better and by allowing George to conserve energy on the defensive end, as he'll obviously be relied on heavily to score.

On Crawford, while erratic his numbers have improved this year. At 34.5% he'd be the 4th best 3 pt shooter on the Pacers, and he can get his own shot. He can also play some backup point.

On roster size, I think you cut Orlando Johnson and Pendergraph. Just from looking at the numbers it doesn't appear either is relied up nor seems to be part of the long term plan.

We can't take on Hansbrough -- it throws the money off so it wont work under the CBA.

[Scoot McGroot]

On Ariza, by way of context I **hated** the trade we made for him this summer because of a similar perception that he was mediocre and very overpaid. Since then (and early struggles that coincided with the Wall and Nene injuries) he has been the focal point of a defense that is now ranked 4th in the league. This is beyond remarkable in Washington, as we haven't had an above average defense in nearly 20 years. Ariza always covers the opposing best perimeter player in the 4Q -- from PG to SF. I do think he actively helps your team by making a great defense that much better and by allowing George to conserve energy on the defensive end, as he'll obviously be relied on heavily to score.

On Crawford, while erratic his numbers have improved this year. At 34.5% he'd be the 4th best 3 pt shooter on the Pacers, and he can get his own shot. He can also play some backup point.

On roster size, I think you cut Orlando Johnson and Pendergraph. Just from looking at the numbers it doesn't appear either is relied up nor seems to be part of the long term plan.

We can't take on Hansbrough -- it throws the money off so it wont work under the CBA.

We probably value Orlando Johnson as much as Booker or possibly Crawford. He's a nice piece.

Otherwise, I'm not 100% sure that Booker isn't someone we could replicate or replace through free agency for the vet minimum. Or, that we couldn't just play Pendergraph those minutes and come close to replicating him, without giving up a veteran leader like Granger.

Crawford, as an IU man, is a pure knucklehead. He was a huge one at IU, and was a knucklehead at Xavier. He's had some knucklehead tendencies in Washington, and I just have little to no interest in dealing with him. We already have our knucklehead in the backcourt in Lance Stephenson, and we're doing a good job of controlling him and slowly nurturing him. I think adding Crawford there to compete with Lance on the court and in knuckle-headedness would only be a powderkeg of trouble waiting to happen.

Ariza is a nice enough player. I would take him as a piece in a Granger deal, but I would want something else of solid long-term value to make up the difference. I don't view Crawford and Booker as that.

If you could find a 3rd team to send Crawford and Booker to, while netting us actual value on something we'd want, then come back and check. However, as constructed, it's just not do-able for us.

[fishercob]

Thanks Scoot. Appreciate the feedback. Thoughts on Vesely and Singleton? I don't think we would include Seraphin here.

[Moooose]

I can't see it happening this season either. But if I am in the front office, and with the future money we have to spend on Paul George and maybe David West, I would definitely consider exploring Granger's trade value as soon as five months ago. Not to mention that the Pacers have a budding talent in Lance Stephenson, and he's clearly showing the league why Larry Bird won't give up on him.

It would be interesting to see how he will play with the rotation when he's back and that could definitely set the market value for him.

[Scoot McGroot]

Thanks Scoot. Appreciate the feedback. Thoughts on Vesely and Singleton? I don't think we would include Seraphin here.

Eh, kind of view them as spare pieces.

Honestly, without the possibility of Seraphin being available in talks, I don't see much available. I was trying to work something out around Granger + Green + Hansbrough for Ariza + Okafor + something of incentive, but it adds about $4m of salary for next year (which is a year we could afford) and dumps the last year of Green's contract when we need the space for 2 usable veterans, but I would think we would look for something a little different. Heck, maybe just your 2nd rounder this year could make a difference since it's positioned to be almost a 1st rounder.


Although, maybe I could see a Granger/Green/Hansbrough for Okafor/Ariza/Webster/Wizards 2013 2nd. There's some immediate help up front with Okafor, as well as immediate help on the wings in Ariza and Webster. The 2nd kind of tops it off and allows the Pacers to use their 1st, their 2nd, and the Wizards 2nd to possibly move up in the draft for a long-term target on the wings (say an Oladipo) or at PF.

[Pacersike]

Garnger for Ariza, Booker and Crawford.

I counter with Ariza, Okafor, Beal for Granger and Hibbert

Pacers get a capable defensive center, a good backup SF and a SG with lots of potential.

Wizards welcome back home Hibbert and get Granger. Wall and Beal have both so much potential it will be only a matter of time before they will be in each other's way. Spreading the talent over a guard, wing and big is better than investing all your money in 2 guards.

ps I'm also willing to take back Nene.

[No-Man]

The perfect time will be the offseason, the FA class is weak, and there will be teams interested in Granger for sure.

I'm thinking of Dallas, Detroit, Golden St., Clippers, Memphis, Milwaukee, NOLA, Sacramento, Utah or Washington.

This teams have some talented young pieces, that could fit in the Pacers.