Samuel Dalembert and Tyreke Evans
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Samuel Dalembert and Tyreke Evans
Would you guys throw max money at Tyreke Evans. It would be risky, but lets be honest watch free agents with go to the Hawks. Tyreke has all the potential in the world but he is stuck with the worst coach in the league in a toxic environment. Signing Dalembert at a reasonable contract too would allow Hortford to play the 4
Wouldn't this team be fun
Dalembert Zaza
Hortford Johnson
Korver Stevenson
Tyreke Lou
Teague Jenkins
starting five be more well rounded for your guys
Wouldn't this team be fun
Dalembert Zaza
Hortford Johnson
Korver Stevenson
Tyreke Lou
Teague Jenkins
starting five be more well rounded for your guys
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I'll be surprised if ANYONE gives Evan max money. The man's got a whole lotta rehabbing of his reputation to do.
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Tyreke is not worth the max, however they are 2 players I would like to add to the team
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I really like Tyreke. With the right team and system can be a really good player. I think he is a poormans James Harden. His rookie year he averaged 20pts, 5rbs, 6asts. He certainly has the potential to be a good player in the league. Maybe he needs a change of scenery and will start playing well again. I wouldn't mind signing the guy as long as he is nowhere close to a max.
Never been a big fan of Dalembert but he brings a defensive mentality. I just think somebody will over pay for him and I wouldn't want to throw a big contract his way. He is 31 years old and having his highest PER 20. I can't imagine him keeping that up for another year.
Never been a big fan of Dalembert but he brings a defensive mentality. I just think somebody will over pay for him and I wouldn't want to throw a big contract his way. He is 31 years old and having his highest PER 20. I can't imagine him keeping that up for another year.
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Yes Reke would be overpaid possibly but to get a Rfa you have to pay. He could always pan out and look like a great pick up. He still is young and need a change if city, and he is a southern boy. I would like to see Hortford play the 4 and Dalembert just bring d for the next 3-4 years he prolly play until he's 35
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I thought Evans was from Philly? Any team wouldn't have to overpay either as the Kings aren't interested in keeping him at any significant salary.....at least not unless new ownership wants to lock into the current core or decides to move the more talented and rarer position player, Cousins.
Dalembert.....Er, he's having a flash in a pan season. For the majority of the past few years he's been an afterthought. Extremely doubtful he has a Steve Nashian type explosion where he puts up a better career in his 30s than 20s.
Dalembert.....Er, he's having a flash in a pan season. For the majority of the past few years he's been an afterthought. Extremely doubtful he has a Steve Nashian type explosion where he puts up a better career in his 30s than 20s.
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Vlade12 wrote:Would you guys throw max money at Tyreke Evans. It would be risky, but lets be honest watch free agents with go to the Hawks.
Tyreke could (should?) be a target of us this summer. He'd fit very well into what we need and what we're trying to build. But our new Front Office seems all about fiscal responsibility.
This means Tyreke will not be receiving a max offer from us. If Josh can't get a max offer, I don't see us giving one to Tyreke who has as many question marks.
I could see a 4 year deal worth about $12 mill per year being offered.
We're looking at building better through the draft and have a couple of prospects at SG already. (Lou Williams, Jenkins, Korver)
Tyreke helps us both a starter at SG and backup at PG.
We'll be okay if most BIG free agents pass us by. A few mid level guys and smart drafting has served us well this year.
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Tyreke could figure himself out with the right Coach, I don't see us keeping LD after this season so we'll see if we get a "Good coach" or a Cheap coach that management just hired to save money, given Ferry's track record I expect the former; but that being said I wouldn't want anything to do with Evans if he wants the max, like Jamaaliver said I see us giving him an annual salary of 12 mil per year.
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There's is no conceivable chance that he ends up with 12 million a year. Just look at the guys resigned from his draft class:
Taj Gibson: 4 years 35.2 million, 8.8 mil per year.
Demar Derozan: 4 years 41.3 million, 10.3 mil per year.
Jrue Holiday: 4 years 43.7 million, 10.9 mil per year.
Steph Curry: 4 years 47.9 million, 12 mil per year.
James Harden: 5 years 84.4 million, 16.88 mil per year.
Blake Griffin: 5 years 86 million, 17.2 mil per year.
Giving Reke 12 mil a year will pay him greater or equal to Steph Curry......he is not on par with Steph Curry, or Jrue Holiday. He's closer to Derozan but many scratched their heads and pretty much declared that a bad signing the moment the Raptors inked it because nowhere on par with Holiday. They for some reason want to invest 41 million into their SF core of Ross, Fields, Derozan, Kleiza and Gay next season......I don't think they' set a good precedent for the expectant market of Evans. Hell, if Reke gets 12 mil a year then you can pretty much guarantee that Teague will make James Harden money.
Taj Gibson: 4 years 35.2 million, 8.8 mil per year.
Demar Derozan: 4 years 41.3 million, 10.3 mil per year.
Jrue Holiday: 4 years 43.7 million, 10.9 mil per year.
Steph Curry: 4 years 47.9 million, 12 mil per year.
James Harden: 5 years 84.4 million, 16.88 mil per year.
Blake Griffin: 5 years 86 million, 17.2 mil per year.
Giving Reke 12 mil a year will pay him greater or equal to Steph Curry......he is not on par with Steph Curry, or Jrue Holiday. He's closer to Derozan but many scratched their heads and pretty much declared that a bad signing the moment the Raptors inked it because nowhere on par with Holiday. They for some reason want to invest 41 million into their SF core of Ross, Fields, Derozan, Kleiza and Gay next season......I don't think they' set a good precedent for the expectant market of Evans. Hell, if Reke gets 12 mil a year then you can pretty much guarantee that Teague will make James Harden money.
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I would never give Max contract to Evans, no more than 10M/yr, and I'm not sure I would give him 10M, because it's a lot of money for a player that has not shown any winning thing. He has potential, but at this moment, I don't see a lot of difference with Monta Ellis, who had no impact on winning, and continue (just look at some MIL games, and everybody should see that Dunleavy, Udrih, Sanders and Ilyasova are the impact guys.
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I don't think it will take that much to get evans. The kings has killed his value and he obliviously has no future with them. I believe right now we can get him for a 1st round pick. That way we can really determined his true value and decide if he can fit into the hawks future plans
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MaceCase wrote:There's is no conceivable chance that he ends up with 12 million a year
Perhaps. But keep in mind that Evans has career avg of 18pts 5rbs 5ast. His production is down this year, but we're talking about a guy with production similar (if not better) than Horford or Josh Smith.
We're talking about production on par with Deron Williams, Joe Johnson.
And he's only 23 years old.
Fortunately, we'll get to see in a matter of months what the market brings. I suspect a few teams could get into a bidding war for an 18 ppg scorer who has yet to hit his prime.
His size, and skillset would fit in very well here. We could use another plyer capable of creating his own shot (or create shots for others!).
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Jamaaliver wrote:MaceCase wrote:There's is no conceivable chance that he ends up with 12 million a year
Perhaps. But keep in mind that Evans has career avg of 18pts 5rbs 5ast. His production is down this year, but we're talking about a guy with production similar (if not better) than Horford or Josh Smith.
We're talking about production on par with Deron Williams, Joe Johnson.
And he's only 23 years old.
Fortunately, we'll get to see in a matter of months what the market brings. I suspect a few teams could get into a bidding war for an 18 ppg scorer who has yet to hit his prime.
His size, and skillset would fit in very well here. We could use another plyer capable of creating his own shot (or create shots for others!).
I completely agree with you. He is a good player in a bad system. His rookie year he was on par with lebron james rookie year... i'm not saying he is as good as lebron... just saying he scored, assisted and rebounded as well as lebron. this guy has great potential. i think he will definitely make 12 mil if not more. I can see the bobcats offering him sizable contract.
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I'm sorry, did someone just say that Tyreke Evans could create shots for others?
Seriously? Have you all watched him play? Please don't call out his 5.8 assist as something to say he is a distributor. He is the perfect example of a marbury assist dude. He will get 2-3, maybe 4 assist in a row because he is in "I should Pass" mode. For the vast majority of the game, he is in "passing is something you do when you have lost your dribble and can't get off a jumper". He is a scorer. He is what would happen if Flip Murray had more talent or a more slashing Jamal Crawford. He puts up shots.
He is good, but there is a difference between putting up good numbers on a winning team and good numbers on a team that is horrible. Tyreke, like Monta Ellis, can put up the numbers when the team is quite sucky, but how will they do in a situation where they are equiped to win and their role should be smaller.
Evans has not produced better than Josh and or Al because Josh and Al have been doing it on a WINNING team.
Seriously? Have you all watched him play? Please don't call out his 5.8 assist as something to say he is a distributor. He is the perfect example of a marbury assist dude. He will get 2-3, maybe 4 assist in a row because he is in "I should Pass" mode. For the vast majority of the game, he is in "passing is something you do when you have lost your dribble and can't get off a jumper". He is a scorer. He is what would happen if Flip Murray had more talent or a more slashing Jamal Crawford. He puts up shots.
He is good, but there is a difference between putting up good numbers on a winning team and good numbers on a team that is horrible. Tyreke, like Monta Ellis, can put up the numbers when the team is quite sucky, but how will they do in a situation where they are equiped to win and their role should be smaller.
Evans has not produced better than Josh and or Al because Josh and Al have been doing it on a WINNING team.
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