GT#51: San Antonio @ Brooklyn Nets |2/10| 8pm | ESPN

[vincecarter4pres]

You can keep believing that if you like, whatever keeps you rooting for this team I guess. I honestly don't know anymore what keeps me rooting for them. Maybe it's being stuck in my ways and that I still enjoy this forum and BS'ing with you guys? Cause it certainly isn't this team. I almost abandoned ship after the Wallace trade. We'll see what Billy does at the deadline, but god forbid he trades Lopez for Josh Smith or something crazy like that I am sooooooo gone.

I wish so much at this point he looked into trade Deron for Curry last year at the deadline after Dwight opted in.

I don't even know if GSW would have chanced it, but I wish he would have tried.

[vincecarter4pres]

This is a guy who was talking up drafting Larry Hughes. Do you know who went the two picks directly after Hughes? Dirk Nowitzki and Paul Pierce!!!!!

Oh man, it's really over haha.

HA, dude, I was literally just thinking that as I watching this show. I was thinking "You know, the Nets were literally in a perfect situation, perfectly set up this time a year ago. Sure, I would have liked to keep the Warriors pick and sent the Rockets one instead in the D-Will trade, but all said and done, I see the logic in that trade. But then Dwight Howard had to go and sign that ETO waiver and leave it in the hands of Billy **** King to figure out a back up plan. This is the same guy that touts picking Larry Hughes over Dirk Nowitzki, as if it was some coup. The guy that could have had a team like this, depending on the year:

Iverson
Snow
Thomas/Jones
Nowitzki
Ratliff/Mutombo

Yeah, it was left in that guys hands. FML."

I was literally coming here to write that when I see your post. Great minds.

**** man, that interview with Evan on the WFAN last year 2 days after the deadline was gross. He started talking about how he did good things in the draft and was touting Hughes, but then directly contradicted himself by switching gears and saying how picks are all potential and how they don't workout sometimes, like Hughes.

I'm sitting there listening thinking:

A) How are you touting Hughes when you took him at 8 and at 9 Dirk peeled off and at 10 Pierce peeled off?

B) How can you tout him as a great pick then point to him as an example of how the draft doesn't always workout?

It was like he was just sitting there telling everyone what idiots they are and how you can't understand what GM's do or the draft and to pipe down and suck down this bottle of crazy juice he's serving.

****, I'd like to literally punch his face in.

[Jersey Generals]

****, I'd like to literally punch his face in.

[AntwanBoldin]

You can keep believing that if you like, whatever keeps you rooting for this team I guess. I honestly don't know anymore what keeps me rooting for them. Maybe it's being stuck in my ways and that I still enjoy this forum and BS'ing with you guys? Cause it certainly isn't this team. I almost abandoned ship after the Wallace trade. We'll see what Billy does at the deadline, but god forbid he trades Lopez for Josh Smith or something crazy like that I am sooooooo gone.

I wish so much at this point he looked into trade Deron for Curry last year at the deadline after Dwight opted in.

I don't even know if GSW would have chanced it, but I wish he would have tried.

John wall

[624]

If PJ starts Evans tomorrow night I may need to smash something.


I still don't understand how the "start Reggie Evans" experiment has lasted this long

[vincecarter4pres]

If PJ starts Evans tomorrow night I may need to smash something.


I still don't understand how the "start Reggie Evans" experiment has lasted this long

I don't think it's an experiment. This is just what PJ somehow thinks is the proper starting lineup.

[PetroNet]

Deron, Joe, Lopez are worth keeping. Everyone else can go f*ck themselves.

im ok with all 3 of those bums being traded also

[MrDollarBills]

I'm not sure how you can call Lopez a bum with a straight face PetroNet. I agree with your pessimism but let's be real, Lopez has been the only Net that makes big money that has earned his pay.

Anyone that plays fanduel, I'm telling a sure fire way to win $ is to play guys that are going against this team. I picked up Tony Parker and Danny Green and both killed for me.

It's easy money guys. At least the Nets are good for something.

We are getting nothing from our starting forwards. I'm done even remotely taking this team or this front office seriously.

[PetroNet]

we give up 111 points on 60% shooting in a game played at a snails pace, to a lineup starting splitter and boris diaw and people are complaining about our offense?!?!?!?!

i know everyone thinks that Keith Bogans and teletovic would make us an offensive jauggernaut, but there isnt 1 rotation anyone here could have come up with tonite that would have resulted in anything but a complete ass kicking, because our defense was completely pathetic.

They got layups or wide open 3's off the pick and roll whenever they wanted. they got in the lane whenever they wanted. they got open off screens all night. i watched about 3 quarters again this morning and in that span alone counted about 22 layups allowed.

The problem is DEFENSE.

Does evans blow? yes!
IS wallace at best an average player who isnt worth what he was paid/traded for? yes!
Is humphries a marginal bench player? yes!

however, none of that is really all that relevant because anyone we replace them with isnt going to prevent us from being an absolutely terrible defense that allows opponents to consistently get wide open buckets. you can talk all you want about floor spacing, but floor spacing doest trap hard on pick and rolls or get out to 3 point shooters.

This team is AWFUL defensively. not ok, not below average, not bad, but AWFUL. and no amount of playing teletovic/brooks/bogans/ whomever is going to change that.

[isekii]

Joe Johnson isn't going anywhere and so is Wallace. 4/40 mil ? maybe and the end of the contracts end.
I think Howard for Lopez makes sense. If we can move Deron for another PG that can shoot and isn't a primadonna I'm cool with that too.

[PetroNet]

I'm not sure how you can call Lopez a bum with a straight face PetroNet. I agree with your pessimism but let's be real, Lopez has been the only Net that makes big money that has earned his pay.

he is playing really well, but he is still a bum in that he is complacent, doesnt seem to care about winning, sulks a ton, plays like a vag, and defensively is a negative.

alot of that isnt really on him, he is young and has played on terrible teams his whole career, and has never really played with a leader... hard to not get used to losing.

but as to my original point, id have no issues trading him, or anyone on this team. they are all very replaceable

[CalamityX12]

If I may, the PF Duo of Doom are going to be constantly in positions to score or make a play. Why don't they work on it in practice?(what the hell do they work in practice?)

Why is every play give it Lopez? I want Lopez to get the ball, trust, i'm not complaining about that, but why is it the playbook seems to be a majority at times, give to Lopez? where's the infusion of using JJ or Wallace?

Wallace sitting at the 3s doesn't do us any good, get him active in the post or one on one... use him as a slasher to Brook or JJ...

Do something creative!!! lol

[PetroNet]

If I may, the PF Duo of Doom are going to be constantly in positions to score or make a play. Why don't they work on it in practice?(what the hell do they work in practice?)

who says they arent. from everything anyone has ever said, they are the 2 hardest workers on the team. chris webber has gone to great extents to say how hard wallace works on his game, and how when he came into the league he couldnt hit a jump shot or make a left handed layup or dribble with his left hand.

being a positive offensive player at the NBA level isnt as easy as it may seem.

Why is every play give it Lopez? I want Lopez to get the ball, trust, i'm not complaining about that, but why is it the playbook seems to be a majority at times, give to Lopez? where's the infusion of using JJ or Wallace?

joe johnson gets more touches and FG attempts then brook lopez. the offense runs through JJ more then anyone.

Wallace sitting at the 3s doesn't do us any good, get him active in the post or one on one... use him as a slasher to Brook or JJ...

Wallace shoots the 3 as well as bogans does... and everyone seems to want bogans on the court to "space the floor". wallace cuts and slashes a ton. its just no one on this team penetrates. passes or finishes at the rim well enough for it to matter.

[Shark]

If I may, the PF Duo of Doom are going to be constantly in positions to score or make a play. Why don't they work on it in practice?(what the hell do they work in practice?)

Why is every play give it Lopez? I want Lopez to get the ball, trust, i'm not complaining about that, but why is it the playbook seems to be a majority at times, give to Lopez? where's the infusion of using JJ or Wallace?

Wallace sitting at the 3s doesn't do us any good, get him active in the post or one on one... use him as a slasher to Brook or JJ...

Do something creative!!! lol

That's what I said about Wallace early on the season when it became clear that Avery was using him as a spot up shooter. PJ is still doing the same. I just don't get it. Wallace throughout his career has been known as a slasher, yet Avery and PJ don't know this.

[N Ireland Nets]

You guys are nuts if you think we should be dealing Williams now. We'd be selling at the lowest point ever getting pennies in the pound for him. It would be crazy to try and move him like this.

I still believe our best move is to either do absolutely nothing pre deadline or move Hump for Gordon due to giving us another 3 point threat with a bigger expiring to move next season.

D Will is playing like crap but you can't deny his injuries and our shocking coaching haven't hindered him at all?

The man hasn't had 1 single dunk this season and he even said in the Assosiation dinner in Minnesota that he didn't go for dunks for fear of further injury. The dude is one big injury right now and our system completely sucks for a PG, it's terrible.

Now personally, I'd wait till our season ended, then look to bring in a new GM with big changes to the entire basketball operations side with new coaches top to bottom to bring in a coach who utilizes our roster better. Then the coaches and front office can start to evaluate our for the new system and make moves which suit the new system.

The rash thing to do would be to go after the likes of Millsap or Smith with everything we have expecting everything to start working. For once we should take the cautious sensible approach to running the franchise and make smart moves.

Who's to say we don't draft really well this year, get a steal in the mid-late first or a find a diamond in the 2nd round? maybe we already have a diamond on our roster in Taylor or Toko?

My point is, why rush to push through a trade for Smith, pay $90m over 5 to him and then stare at each other and say, "now what?" because we'd be done, completely finished trade wise until 2015/16 and with no way outside of the mini mle to add player/s to our roster.

Patience is the key, the real problem here is King is on borrowed time right now with his contract up in the summer. If your contract was up in the summer would you do the sensible thing and try and make smart moves? or look to trade for another play to overpay and say to ownership, "look at the roster i put together, it's clearly all the coaches fault."

We haven't even evaluated all the players on our roster and it's at the All Star break. What is Toko capable of? can Teletovic fill the void of PF? is Taylor a defensive beast, maybe he's the Nets Avery Bradley?

We are looking to use the little assets we have here for a PF when a new PF doesn't begin to fill the holes on our roster or take this team to a whole different level of player. Patience is a virtue for a reason and the main 2 problems I see right now is a lack of top level coaching and a GM who's a dead man walking.

[PetroNet]

We are looking to use the little assets we have here for a PF when a new PF doesn't begin to fill the holes on our roster or take this team to a whole different level of player. Patience is a virtue for a reason and the main 2 problems I see right now is a lack of top level coaching and a GM who's a dead man walking.

our biggest issue right now is defense.

defense at the 4/5 spot
defense against the pick and roll
defense protecting the paint.

Teams have owned us. just take a look at opposing teams points in the paint and points generated via pick and roll. it is MUCH bigger then any issues we have offensively. in fact, it isnt even close. we could add efficiency, spacing, and scoring to our offense and still not much would change because we allow to many easy opportunities on the other end.

smith might not help offensively, he may even hurt, but he would have an enormous impact on the other end. as well as give us much needed athleticism and a guy who cares about winning(not a leader and kind of a baby but he certainly is passionate and competitive).

there arent many guys in the league who fill our needs as much as smith does

[CalamityX12]

who says they arent. from everything anyone has ever said, they are the 2 hardest workers on the team. chris webber has gone to great extents to say how hard wallace works on his game, and how when he came into the league he couldnt hit a jump shot or make a left handed layup or dribble with his left hand.
being a positive offensive player at the NBA level isnt as easy as it may seem.

The PF Duo of Doom is made up of Evans and Hump.

joe johnson gets more touches and FG attempts then brook lopez. the offense runs through JJ more then anyone.

Certainly doesn't feel like it. I'm not hating on feeding it Brook but I would want more than "let Brook battle alone.." There was a time in the Wizards game that JJ looked like he had the hot hand but the ball continued to go through Brook. Why not get JJ involed with the 2nd unit more so as the first option scorer with Blatche/Watson going for 2/3.

Wallace shoots the 3 as well as bogans does... and everyone seems to want bogans on the court to "space the floor". wallace cuts and slashes a ton. its just no one on this team penetrates. passes or finishes at the rim well enough for it to matter.

I feel Wallace can do more than sit for the open 3...

[Paradise]

If you are going to start talking about trading Deron, JJ, Lopez then also mention it when they are playing well and pushing the team with leads during games. I really hate that. Nobody had nothing but good things to say in the 1st half, 2nd half = trade everybody.

Come on now. If anything, get rid of the goddamn trash that is Wallace/Evans.