Lebron the MVP? Double Standard though?

[KevinUrb]

Lebron is playing out of of this world right now, there is no denying that. He is really THAT good, quite possibly the Jordan of this Era... Where as Shaq/Kobe/Duncan were like the Kareem/Magic/Bird of the 2000's, Lebron has emerged as the clear cut best player of this decade with only Durant being close. However the question is, is he really deserving of the MVP over Durant?

The arguement a lot of voters gave for not giving Shaq and Kobe more MVPs is because they cancelled eachother out. Why does the same not apply to Lebron having Dwayne Wade? As well as Bosh (even though Bosh is not playing on the same level as the other 2). Dwayne Wade IMO is still on another level from Russell. To top it off Thunder still have a better record then the Heat.

The point is, it's kind of annoying to see Lebron get all this "for sure definite MVP" hype when he has a player next to him in Dwayne Wade who also commands a double team and is playing at a very efficient rate. Don't get me wrong, Lebron is a clear MVP CANDIDATE but for all these analysts to say he's the clear cut MVP discredits the Superstars he's aligned with to open up his game, and gives a double standard to Shaq and Kobe who were well deserving as well but for some reason "they cancelled eachother out". IMHO Durant deserves the MVP this year just as much as Lebron at this point of the season, especially since the Thunder at this point have the better record and they play in the western conference. Now if the Heat end up with the best record in the entire NBA, okay then I would understand why Lebron can have an edge, but as of now don't discredit what Durant is doing and don't give a double standard for Kobe and Shaq for not getting theirs.

Your guy's thoughts?

[dockingsched]

i don't think its a double standard. shaq simply used to miss too many games. the one yr he almost played a full season, 79 games, he won the mvp.

this is his number of missed games every yr with the lakers: 31, 22, 33, 3 (MVP), 8, 15, 15, 15.

[Luxury]

Lebron is the clear cut best player, but yes Durant is currently leading the best team.

You take each player off their team respectively, and the Thunder will be far worse. No one can make up Durants production and impact on that team, while the rest of the Heat could -- as Lebron probably has the best supporting cast in the past couple of decades. Another superstar, all-star, and the rest of the players who has built reputations.

He's probably the most spoiled & the most fortunate superstar ever.

[TyCobb]

Something something hgh testing next year

[loveshaq786]

Tony parker deserves love

[AAAAA1]

If Wade cancels out Lebron, then Westbrook cancels out Durant. According to your logic.

And Lebron is shooting career highs in FG%, 3P%, and career highs in rebounding and PER. And when you include his recent streak of 5 game with at least 30 points and 60% shooting (75% overall)

How can you possibly not give it to Lebron, you just can't do that. He breaking records that were before the Jordan era.


Every MVP needs one of those great players with them MJ had Pippen, Shaq had Kobe, Nash had Amare and Marion etc.

[KB24TBOTB]

Lebron is the clear cut best player, but yes Durant is currently leading the best team.

You take each player off their team respectively, and the Thunder will be far worse. No one can make up Durants production and impact on that team, while the rest of the Heat could -- as Lebron probably has the best supporting cast in the past couple of decades. Another superstar, all-star, and the rest of the players who has built reputations.

He's probably the most spoiled & the most fortunate superstar ever.

Oh come on now...how is he the most spoiled superstar? He is a great team but lets not act like Kobe has never had great teams -_-

[AAAAA1]

Lebron is the clear cut best player, but yes Durant is currently leading the best team.

You take each player off their team respectively, and the Thunder will be far worse. No one can make up Durants production and impact on that team, while the rest of the Heat could -- as Lebron probably has the best supporting cast in the past couple of decades. Another superstar, all-star, and the rest of the players who has built reputations.

He's probably the most spoiled & the most fortunate superstar ever.

So Kobe having Shaq, Phil Jackson, Pau Gasol, MWP, Steve Nash, Dwight Howard...isn`t spoiled?

http://www.empowernetwork.com/eddiealla ... ed-player/


Lebron having Mo Williams and Antwan Jamison as his best players in the 7 years at Cleveland is spoiled?

I mean on the Heat D-Wade is a great 2nd best player. But Miami has no Point Guard or C...And Lebron is having to guard every position night in and out.

When Lebron goes on the bench, the Heat turn into of the worst teams.

Also have you heard of Defense? Because Lebron's defense is lightyears, I mean lightyears more better than Durants. And Lebron D alone has a more impact that Durants overall game. As you probably saw against the Lakers.

Look saying Durant has more of an impact is probably the most blasphemous statement in sports history.

[TheHartBreakKid]

Ugh I hate when I see fellow Laker fans hate on Lebron like it's the summer of 2010...at this point it just clearly shows insecurity and pure hate. This is not directed at the OP, but more towards the spoiled superstar comment and the various other remarks such as that, that you see on the GB/Laker Board by Laker fans. It's time to give it up...the guy earned his ring, is playing historically great, and I expect better than Laker fans, who I consider knowledgable fans. Everytime I see someone pull the "But But Kobe has more rings" card, or "But But Lebron doesn't have a post game" card I cringe. Those people sound just as annoying as the crowd who would repeatedly say "Kobe can't win without Shaq".

/Rant


Anyways, you can't compare the two situations. First of all, this is a different league today than it was in the early 2000's. In the early 2000's, your superstars, or atleast elite top tier players were Kobe, Shaq, Duncan, KG, Iverson, Carter, Mcgrady, etc. As you can see, each one of these players had their own team, other than Kobe and Shaq. Thus, that argument actually made sense. In today's league, you have Kobe/Dwight on the same team, Wade/Lebron on the same team, Durant/Westbrook on the same team, CP3 and Melo each have another allstar on their team with loads of other talent, and so on. Basically, Lebron's competition for the MVP also have an elite supporting cast. Tony Parker I guess doesn't have another superstar playing with him, but one could argue that he isn't exactly a superstar himself, as great as he has been, and the Spurs are winning with great coaching and team work. My point being, If Lebron can't be MVP because he has Wade, can Durant be MVP despite having Westbrook, who may be just as good as Wade, if not in the same tier as him.

[Dr Aki]

lebron's stats don't lie

that's a pretty big compliment in the world of stats

[Minge]

Lebron is playing out of of this world right now, there is no denying that. He is really THAT good, quite possibly the Jordan of this Era...

Your guy's thoughts?

early 1980’s Philadelphia 76ers (Moses Malone, Julius Erving, Bobby Jones, Andrew Toney)
early 2000’s Miami Heat (Shaquille O’Neal, Alonzo Mourning, Eddie Jones, Dwayne Wade)

mid 1980’s Boston Celtics (Robert Parish, Kevin McHale, Larry Bird, Dennis Johnson)
mid 2000’s San Antonio Spurs (Tim Duncan, Bruce Bowen, Manu Ginobili, Tony Parker)

later 1980’s Detroit Pistons (Bill Laimbeer, Dennis Rodman, Mark Aguirre, Isiah Thomas, Joe Dumars)
later 2000’s Boston Celtics (Kendrick Perkins, Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, Ray Allen, Rajon Rondo)


You can spin that how you want, but everyone knows that the Eastern Conference in its entirety while Lebron was in Cleveland was pathetic. I mean, the New Jersey Nets won the conference with 50 wins, and their playoff seeds were routinely filled with sub .500 teams. Even today, the Eastern Conference being a joke isn’t really debatable. Lebron was just very fortunate to play in such a weak conference.

[GAME TIME]

Kind of like Steven Nash with the Suns in 06, that team was designed for him to put up big stats with Nash style.

Goes with Lebron and the Heat, with the spacing and having Wade also playmaking to give Lebron the least pressure of any super star in todays game.

Lebron should win the MVP, but lets be honest, he has the best team around him, Riley has done a masterful job surrounding him with superior talent. Lebron has the least pressure , because of the shooters and having to defer to Wade if needed in the crunch time.

I kind of liken it to Shaq , when he could defer to Kobe to win games, and plus have great role players around him.

But I wouldn't depend on Shaq or Lebron if they didn't have a teammate that can close for them down the stretch of games

[ballaholick]

If Wade cancels out Lebron, then Westbrook cancels out Durant. According to your logic.

And Lebron is shooting career highs in FG%, 3P%, and career highs in rebounding and PER. And when you include his recent streak of 5 game with at least 30 points and 60% shooting (75% overall)

How can you possibly not give it to Lebron, you just can't do that. He breaking records that were before the Jordan era.


Every MVP needs one of those great players with them MJ had Pippen, Shaq had Kobe, Nash had Amare and Marion etc.

Maybe because he is playing in the east? and has 2 of the top 10 players in the nba on his team which makes a huge difference. And the fact that the Thunder are winning without Harden is taken for granted, i think KD should win the MVP

[EArl]

Something something hgh testing next year

[TheHartBreakKid]

If Wade cancels out Lebron, then Westbrook cancels out Durant. According to your logic.

And Lebron is shooting career highs in FG%, 3P%, and career highs in rebounding and PER. And when you include his recent streak of 5 game with at least 30 points and 60% shooting (75% overall)

How can you possibly not give it to Lebron, you just can't do that. He breaking records that were before the Jordan era.


Every MVP needs one of those great players with them MJ had Pippen, Shaq had Kobe, Nash had Amare and Marion etc.

Maybe because he is playing in the east? and has 2 of the top 10 players in the nba on his team which makes a huge difference. And the fact that the Thunder are winning without Harden is taken for granted, i think KD should win the MVP

Bosh is a top 10 player now? Since when?

[Minge]

because he is playing in the east? and has 2 of the top 10 players in the nba on his team makes a huge difference. the Thunder are winning without Harden is taken for granted.

Bosh is a top 10 player now? Since when?

I thought that he was referring to James/Wade and Durant/Westbrook as having 2 top 10 players on his team. For what it’s worth, Bosh is currently ranked as a top 10 center (top 30 overall).

Interestingly, Harden just passed Bryant on the shooting guard list and is top 5 overall.

[KevinUrb]

If Wade cancels out Lebron, then Westbrook cancels out Durant. According to your logic.

I believe Wade is on a different tier than Westbrook. Although Westbrook is getting there, 9/10 people would still choose Wade over Westbrook.

[Minge]

Westbrook is getting there, 9/10 people would still choose Wade over Westbrook.

9/10 people would be fools. Wade is playing at the same level as injured/not-trying Howard (top 20). Westbrook is playing at the same level as Chris Paul (top 10). See for yourself.

I’m actually more interested in Ibaka’s development, because he’s right there with Bosh (top 30).

[ballaholick]

If Wade cancels out Lebron, then Westbrook cancels out Durant. According to your logic.

And Lebron is shooting career highs in FG%, 3P%, and career highs in rebounding and PER. And when you include his recent streak of 5 game with at least 30 points and 60% shooting (75% overall)

How can you possibly not give it to Lebron, you just can't do that. He breaking records that were before the Jordan era.


Every MVP needs one of those great players with them MJ had Pippen, Shaq had Kobe, Nash had Amare and Marion etc.

Maybe because he is playing in the east? and has 2 of the top 10 players in the nba on his team which makes a huge difference. And the fact that the Thunder are winning without Harden is taken for granted, i think KD should win the MVP

Bosh is a top 10 player now? Since when?

name me 10 players ahead of Bosh, the guy barely gets any sets ran for him, he was a beast in Toronto

[ballaholick]

because he is playing in the east? and has 2 of the top 10 players in the nba on his team makes a huge difference. the Thunder are winning without Harden is taken for granted.

Bosh is a top 10 player now? Since when?

I thought that he was referring to James/Wade and Durant/Westbrook as having 2 top 10 players on his team. For what it’s worth, Bosh is currently ranked as a top 10 center (top 30 overall).

Interestingly, Harden just passed Bryant on the shooting guard list and is top 5 overall.

James Harden is not better than Kobe, is this a joke? how is Bosh 30?